128Kgames Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 We all know that the owners of the Colecovision brand have been douches to various people. However, if getting their blessing/license helps Colectorvision games make their upcoming console as kosher as possible with all interested parties, that can't be bad thing. I agree that it raises their profile and standing a tad, but at least this isn't an Retro VGS / Atari VCS type of situation, so I am cool with it. I look forward to seeing what they have in store as having new hardware to replace a depleting pool of pre-existing consoles is much welcomed. Not sure how "licensing" anything from "Coleco" would have anything to do with making their new console "kosher" in any way, shape or form. Wasn't the CV built with off the shelf parts also? (like the 2600) So I am at a loss as to what was gained from a technical standpoint. Personally, I would have preferred a "CollectorVision" game system, to me, it sounds way cooler and reflects what they've done for the CV and retro community all these years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hwlngmad Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Not sure how "licensing" anything from "Coleco" would have anything to do with making their new console "kosher" in any way, shape or form. Wasn't the CV built with off the shelf parts also? (like the 2600) So I am at a loss as to what was gained from a technical standpoint. Personally, I would have preferred a "CollectorVision" game system, to me, it sounds way cooler and reflects what they've done for the CV and retro community all these years. Personally, I am not privy to any decision making Collectorvision has done, but obviously they had the opportunity to formally use the ColecoVision name and chose to do so. I can't really fault them for that. Also, I don't believe there is anything to be gained from a technical standpoint, but if you can formally use the ColecoVision name in order to distinguish yourself from others, why not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swami Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Not sure how "licensing" anything from "Coleco" would have anything to do with making their new console "kosher" in any way, shape or form. Wasn't the CV built with off the shelf parts also? (like the 2600) So I am at a loss as to what was gained from a technical standpoint. Personally, I would have preferred a "CollectorVision" game system, to me, it sounds way cooler and reflects what they've done for the CV and retro community all these years. I'm not sure I am qualified to judge on the overall issue, but I will agree the points the dude made neither support or oppose his viewpoint. It's apples and oranges. As I said in a previous post, it is simply a presentation tool - nostalgia and name recognition. What does this have to do with companies who released cheap junk, released nothing at all or kosherness? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retroillucid Posted July 25, 2018 Author Share Posted July 25, 2018 Personally, I would have preferred a "CollectorVision" game system, to me, it sounds way cooler and reflects what they've done for the CV and retro community all these years. It's still is a CollectorVision system, using the CV logo, simple as that You hate Coleco Holdings/Cardillo? I'm fine with that, as I also HATE what they did in the past But remember, it's a CollectorVision product with a license from them so we can use the CV logo The CV logo doesn't represent Coleco Holdings, it just represent our past! That's the ONLY reason why I wanted to use the logo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hwlngmad Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 It's still is a CollectorVision system, using the CV logo, simple as that You hate Coleco Holdings/Cardillo? I'm fine with that, as I also HATE what they did in the past But remember, it's a CollectorVision product with a license from them so we can use the CV logo The CV logo doesn't represent Coleco Holdings, it just represent our past! That's the ONLY reason why I wanted to use the logo It is said that looking further into the past can help one see more into the future. I can dig wanting to use the CV logo to recognize the past while moving forward into future. Definitely I am looking forward to seeing this project come further along and into a full production. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
128Kgames Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 It's still is a CollectorVision system, using the CV logo, simple as that You hate Coleco Holdings/Cardillo? I'm fine with that, as I also HATE what they did in the past But remember, it's a CollectorVision product with a license from them so we can use the CV logo The CV logo doesn't represent Coleco Holdings, it just represent our past! That's the ONLY reason why I wanted to use the logo Thanks for clarifying that J-F; honestly, after the crap he pulled, I was very surprised you would have anything to do with him (Coleco's "Synder Hunter" ring any bells?). Personally? I think you would have done great going with a "CollectorVision" labelled console, but I can see where using the CV logo/name will apply to a broader market for you guys. CollectorVision name is known to the community, Coleco and ColecoVision is known to the masses, so I get it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retroillucid Posted July 25, 2018 Author Share Posted July 25, 2018 Ugh, and for those who would like their system's faceplate to read: CollectorVision Game System We're going to have multiple faceplate options available 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. John ColecoVision Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Man talk about ridiculous needless drama....be happy we are getting such an amazing system with the original name period, my god! And multiple faceplate options ,really? To good to be true...and if it is true that SHOULD silence all whining...but it won't 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retroillucid Posted July 25, 2018 Author Share Posted July 25, 2018 (edited) Man talk about ridiculous needless drama....be happy we are getting such an amazing system with the original name period, my god! And multiple faceplate options ,really? To good to be true...and if it is true that SHOULD silence all whining...but it won't Finally, something funny! Edited July 25, 2018 by retroillucid 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick3092 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 (edited) It's still is a CollectorVision system, using the CV logo, simple as that You hate Coleco Holdings/Cardillo? I'm fine with that, as I also HATE what they did in the past But remember, it's a CollectorVision product with a license from them so we can use the CV logo The CV logo doesn't represent Coleco Holdings, it just represent our past! That's the ONLY reason why I wanted to use the logo Like I said in my earlier post, I get that using the logo invokes nostalgia and represents the past. But at the same time by licensing it, you're validating their behavior in the present/very recent past. And to someone else's point, helps cements their claim to the brand (not factoring in the table tops, which may or may not have already done so - either way, why help them?). And that may very well be why they agreed to such favorable terms. Your deal with them probably benefits them far more than it will benefit you. Of course I'm not a lawyer or proficient in brand/trademark laws. But I highly suspect they are getting far more out of this deal than you think. Cardillo doesn't make fair deals. He only makes deals that benefit him. Or twists other people's work into benefiting him. History has proven that. I don't recall the exact circumstances around Ben Heck recreating the CV logo. He may or may not have been in contact with them in advance, but as I recall somehow in the long run Cardillo twisted it to his advantage for their brand claim. (Full disclaimer before I get flamed: I didn't go back and research that, just going off memory of reading that thread about the whole ordeal last year, so I may not be 100% right on this.) Which IMHO makes your statement saying that you hated what they did but still striking a deal a little hypocritical. Again, I support both Coleco console products coming out. Planned on buying both to show said support, and despite this situation, probably still will buy both. I also support both developers behind them also making new games. I just wish that neither of them in any way shape or form, no matter how small it is, support Cardillo. I don't care that it doesn't affect the console price, it's still the principle. I'd much rather it be branded only CollectorVision with no ties to Cardillo, than ColecoVision with ties to Cardillo in even the slightest. I have no idea if it's too late to break the deal with them, but I (as I suspect along with most of the CV community) implore you to do so. Edit: just saw the post about getting a different nameplate. That's not the point. Regardless of the nameplate I request, the licensing deal is still in place. That's the issue I have. Edited July 25, 2018 by nick3092 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. John ColecoVision Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Oh..and if you knew anything about half the CEOs of the companies you frequent , you'd probably hate them too.... we unfortunately saw the man behind the curtain for the beloved Coleco brand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retroillucid Posted July 25, 2018 Author Share Posted July 25, 2018 (edited) Oh..and if you knew anything about half the CEOs of the companies you frequent , you'd probably hate them too.... we unfortunately so the man behind the curtain for the beloved Coleco brand. THIS IS exactly what I was going to mention Do you know how it was at Coleco at time? Do you know how the Greenberg brothers were acting? Do you really know who Coleco REALLY was? Probably not, but from what I know, Coleco always been assholes, even more to their employees But hey, we never known or cared for it, because at the time, we were all enjoying our Colecovision I'd much rather it be branded only CollectorVision with no ties to Cardillo, than ColecoVision with ties to Cardillo in even the slightest. I have no idea if it's too late to break the deal with them, but I (as I suspect along with most of the CV community) implore you to do so. Actually, only the minority would want this.... Edited July 25, 2018 by retroillucid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick3092 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Oh..and if you knew anything about half the CEOs of the companies you frequent , you'd probably hate them too.... we unfortunately saw the man behind the curtain for the beloved Coleco brand. Oh, I have no doubt. Only difference is they are actual companies making actual products that I currently need and / or make my life easier. Makes it easier to turn a blind eye when there is an actual need. History will support that statement. That doesn't mean I want to support a trademark/brand squatting troll like Cardillo. Who makes no such product and just tries to mooch off other people supporting a beloved brand, long dead. If that makes me a hypocrite, then so be it. In the mean time, go have a cup of Brim. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. John ColecoVision Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Mr. Cardillo can't be 100% evil...he is playing ball with Collectorvision and in turn, the Coleco community. So what if he feels bad for the stuff last year? Maybe he actually does and this goes a long way to mending fences in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDTV1080P Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 (edited) It needs to have the ColecoVision brand name if this is going to be marketed big time in Walmart, Amazon, EBAY, etc. However since there is going to be custom face plates offered I would like to see "ColecoVision II" on the face plate because it would cause less confusion. For example with all the ColecoVision systems currently on EBAY, some people well think this is just the old 80's system being sold unless they spend time reading the detailed description. With the ColecoVision II face plate one knows this is a new console. Edited July 25, 2018 by HDTV1080P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retroillucid Posted July 25, 2018 Author Share Posted July 25, 2018 Mr. Cardillo can't be 100% evil...he is playing ball with Collectorvision and in turn, the Coleco community. So what if he feels bad for the stuff last year? Maybe he actually does and this goes a long way to mending fences in my opinion. He's not evil, but he has been completely stupid to shut down fan-pages And I already told him that, so he knows what I think of their behaviour He also admited me it was a mistake, now I'm not the devil's advocate, he can speak by himself Like I already mentioned, CollectorVision was the one who had to stop selling some of our games (the ONLY one actually!) so yeah, it pissed us! The only thing I wanted for our system, is to be able to use the damn original Colecovision logo (Like everyone here also did in the past) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. John ColecoVision Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 "If that makes me a hypocrite, then so be it. In the mean time, go have a cup of Brim." fill it to the rim with that rich taste brother! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick3092 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 (edited) THIS IS exactly what I was going to mention Do you know how it was at Coleco at time? Do you know how the Greenberg brothers were acting? Do you really know who Coleco REALLY was? Probably not, but from what I know, Coleco always been assholes, even more to their employees But hey, we never known or cared for it, because at the time, we were all enjoying our Colecovision Actually, only the minority would want this.... In my experience, every corporation is a giant asshole. Their sole existence is to make money for the shareholders. No matter what the expense to workers. I've seen them cut departments staff and make the rest work mandatory overtime. I've seen them outsource hundreds of jobs to save a buck. I think most CEOs would outsource their own mother if it would net them an extra 1 cent dividend. But I still fail how that supports your argument to support Cardillo. And as to if I'm the minority, luckily AA has a way to validate that. Set up a poll. Question: Regardless if if you will/will not buy the new CollectorVision system, do you support CollectorVision entering into a licensing agreement with Cardillo/Riverwest/Dormitus/whatever they call themselves these days. Answers: Yes, No Simple way to settle an argument in this case, no? Edited July 25, 2018 by nick3092 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retroillucid Posted July 25, 2018 Author Share Posted July 25, 2018 In my experience, every corporation is a giant asshole. Their sole existence is to make money for the shareholders. No matter what the expense to workers. I've seen them cut departments staff and make the rest work overtime. I've seen them outsource hundreds of jobs to save a buck. I think most CEOs would outsource their own mother if it would net them an extra 1 cent dividend. But I still fail how that supports your argument to support Cardillo. And as to if I'm the minority, luckily AA has a way to validate that. Set up a poll. Question: Regardless if if you will/will not buy the new CollectorVision system, do you support CollectorVision entering into a licensing agreement with Cardillo/Riverwest/Dormitus/whatever they call themselves these days. Answers: Yes, No Simple way to settle an argument in this case, no? I don't mind if you want to start a survey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick3092 Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 I don't mind if you want to start a survey Never set up a poll before, but done. I put it in the main Coleco forum to get the most views. Worst case, it gets you more publicity for your system. http://atariage.com/forums/topic/281198-do-you-support-collectorvision-licensing-colecovision-from-cardillocoleco/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retroillucid Posted July 26, 2018 Author Share Posted July 26, 2018 Never set up a poll before, but done. I put it in the main Coleco forum to get the most views. Worst case, it gets you more publicity for your system. http://atariage.com/forums/topic/281198-do-you-support-collectorvision-licensing-colecovision-from-cardillocoleco/ as long as it's people REALLY interested in buying the system Will worth was is worth, no matter the result Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick3092 Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 (edited) as long as it's people REALLY interested in buying the system Will worth was is worth, no matter the result Woah, hold on there partner. Before I did the poll, I specifically posed the question: "Regardless if if you will/will not buy the new CollectorVision system..." And you agreed to it. Even told me to go right ahead and run the poll (which I did verbatim). Now you want the caveat of only if you are going to buy it? Not cool. This all spawned from you saying I was in the minority about not liking the fact you set up a licensing deal with Cardillo. Again, no caveat as to purchasing or not. You trying to add on this caveat is not fair game to what I originally proposed. Question still stands as posed. Regardless if you were going to purchase or not, do you agree? Edit: Also, as I understand it, you licensed the logo and some games. Edited July 26, 2018 by nick3092 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retroillucid Posted July 26, 2018 Author Share Posted July 26, 2018 Woah, hold on there partner. Before I did the poll, I specifically posed the question: "Regardless if if you will/will not buy the new CollectorVision system..." And you agreed to it. Even told me to go right ahead and run the poll (which I did verbatim). Now you want the caveat of only if you are going to buy it? Not cool. This all spawned from you saying I was in the minority about not liking the fact you set up a licensing deal with Cardillo. Again, no caveat as to purchasing or not. You trying to add on this caveat is not fair game to what I originally proposed. Question still stands as posed. Regardless if you were going to purchase or not, do you agree? Edit: Also, as I understand it, you licensed the logo and some games. Whatever, I'm fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+evg2000 Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 Just wondering, by producing a CV and paying to license the name from "he who shall not be named", are you legitimatizing his claim on the CV name and system? And could this cause issue in the future, possibly even causing collectorvision and others to have to pay them for producing items for the CV? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retroillucid Posted July 26, 2018 Author Share Posted July 26, 2018 (edited) Just wondering, by producing a CV and paying to license the name from "he who shall not be named", are you legitimatizing his claim on the CV name and system? And could this cause issue in the future, possibly even causing collectorvision and others to have to pay them for producing items for the CV? I don't think we legitimate anything more, it's already too late Unless someone with money want to deal with USPTO by going on after Coleco Holdings/River West Edited July 26, 2018 by retroillucid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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