CollectorVision Phoenix Game Console

[Bmack36]

Just wondering, by producing a CV and paying to license the name from "he who shall not be named", are you legitimatizing his claim on the CV name and system? And could this cause issue in the future, possibly even causing collectorvision and others to have to pay them for producing items for the CV?

They legitimized their "claim" with the tabletop systems. They need a product showing a license to continue the trademark. The tabletops got them that. Unless someone is willing to challenge their trademark in court, it doesn't matter if we license it as well.

[+evg2000]

They legitimized their "claim" with the tabletop systems. They need a product showing a license to continue the trademark. The tabletops got them that. Unless someone is willing to challenge their trademark in court, it doesn't matter if we license it as well.

That got them coleco, but this gets them colecovision. They might be able to go after people producing games, using the colecovision name, design, color combination etc, even websites. Kind of like Mattel shutting down many Barbie related sites.

[retroillucid]

Honestly, all this makes me questionate how much time I would stick in the homebrew community
I've been contributing for the last 10 years now, but I admit I'm getting exhausted

Dealing with all this mess for the love of the Colecovision and the community
I remember days where it was fun to be here and when I used to post and interact more with people

It's becoming toxic like most of the homebrew community....

I'm going to seriously think what I'm going to do in the near future, maybe I'll just leave
Wich would probably makes a few people here happy .....

[nick3092]

Honestly, all this makes me questionate how much time I would stick in the homebrew community

I've been contributing for the last 10 years now, but I admit I'm getting exhausted

Dealing with all this mess for the love of the Colecovision and the community

I remember days where it was fun to be here and when I used to post and interact more with people

It's becoming toxic like most of the homebrew community....

 

I'm going to seriously think what I'm going to do in the near future, maybe I'll just leave

Wich would probably makes a few people here happy .....

 

Holy overreaction Batman!

 

I think I can safely speak for us all when I say we all love CollectorVision. We just don't love the idea of CollectorVision and Cardillo, K-I-S-S-I-N-G in the tree

 

We love your games. We love your (future) hardware. We just don't like you selling out to Cardillo. Even if you don't see it that way, many of us do.

 

I've also been following the spat with Opcode. I hate to see that as well. The CV homebrew community is small enough. Having a rift benefits no one. Both sides have a valid argument in this case (CV: It's off the shelf hardware! OC: It was our idea to combine it!).

 

Reminds me of Atari suing Coleco for EM 1. Both sides need to just come to an agreement already. An agreement here benefits every one. Vendors and consumers a like.

Edited July 26, 2018 by nick3092

[retroillucid]

Holy overreaction Batman!

 

I think I can safely speak for us all when I say we all love CollectorVision. We just don't love the idea of CollectorVision and Cardillo, K-I-S-S-I-N-G in the tree

 

We love your games. We love your (future) hardware. We just don't like you selling out to Cardillo. Even if you don't see it that way, many of us do.

 

I've also been following the spat with Opcode. I hate to see that as well. The CV homebrew community is small enough. Having a rift benefits no one. Both sides have a valid argument in this case. Both sides need to just come to an agreement already. An agreement here benefits every one. Vendors and consumers a like.

 

 

No worries, I'm not asking for any begging, praise, love or anything else.

I'm just saying that over the years, things changed and I'm exhausted

 

Some people only post when there's drama, the only interact when there's drama

 

Just check at the number of people checking, lurking those threads

 

 

Anyways........

[Zonie]

Y'Know, Entex got around licensing in the 80s with adding a "2" to their games. I had a "Galaxian2". Don't know if they ever got into trouble but...

[nick3092]

 

 

No worries, I'm not asking for any begging, praise, love or anything else.

I'm just saying that over the years, things changed and I'm exhausted

 

Some people only post when there's drama, the only interact when there's drama

 

Just check at the number of people checking, lurking those threads

 

 

Anyways........

I don't think that's the case at all. I don't think things have changed. You have the same customer base you always have. It may ebb or flow slightly over time. But your base is the same in the long run.

 

Hell, I was somewhat ignorant of the CV homebrew community until about a year or so ago. And never placed my first order until maybe two or three weeks ago (with CV no less). But I started watching and seeing Cardillo's thumbscrews come down. And it made me angry.

 

If your reference to people lurking and only posting now is in reference to someone like me, you are spot on. I've been a lurker for quite a while. Watching everything unfold over the past year or two. Never weighing in. Never felt a reason to speak up till you partnered up with Cardillo.

 

It struck a nerve. I watched this guy bebop and scat all over the true ColecoVision community. I loved watching his expo fail. So you can see how sad it makes me to see someone who is respected in the CV community partner with him, right?

[retroillucid]

I don't think that's the case at all. I don't think things have changed. You have the same customer base you always have. It may ebb or flow slightly over time. But your base is the same in the long run.

 

Hell, I was somewhat ignorant of the CV homebrew community until about a year or so ago. And never placed my first order until maybe two or three weeks ago (with CV no less). But I started watching and seeing Cardillo's thumbscrews come down. And it made me angry.

 

If your reference to people lurking and only posting now is in reference to someone like me, you are spot on. I've been a lurker for quite a while. Watching everything unfold over the past year or two. Never weighing in. Never felt a reason to speak up till you partnered up with Cardillo.

 

It struck a nerve. I watched this guy bebop and scat all over the true ColecoVision community. I loved watching his expo fail. So you can see how sad it makes me to see someone who is respected in the CV community partner with him, right?

 

So if someone is making a mistake, then you hold it forever?

 

Like I said, I'm the first to admit they did a mistake, but will hold this till my death?

No, I'm just not that kind of dude who can constantly live with fustration and grudge

 

They certainly did a mistake in the past, but if your answer is just putting more fuel on the fire, you're no way better

 

Whatever would happen, I just don't care anymore....

[Swami]

So you can see how sad it makes me to see someone who is respected in the CV community partner with him, right?

 

It's a bit much to say he partnered with him. He bought something he loves from him, the only person who sells it. Would you not buy a Switch or Xbox One from Walmart if they were the only ones who sold it or watch a movie because the MPAA tried to kill the VCR. Cardillo's a stubborn dick, but he's not a serial killer or something. Anyhow, I think you've made you're opinion known, but your getting into your own little Opcode vs Collectorvision kind of debate here.

[nick3092]

 

So if someone is making a mistake, then you hold it forever?

 

Like I said, I'm the first to admit they did a mistake, but will hold this till my death?

No, I'm just not that kind of dude who can constantly live with fustration and grudge

 

They certainly did a mistake in the past, but if your answer is just putting more fuel on the fire, you're no way better

 

Whatever would happen, I just don't care anymore....

Saying Cardillo made a mistake is a severe understatement. As mentioned earlier, that jackass bebopped and scatted all over the CV community.

 

I'm not saying put more fuel on the fire. That a-hole already poured a life time supply on the bridge and lit it on fire. And it turns out you can't cross a bridge that is fully burned.

 

In my mind (and I'm willing to be others), his only path to redemption would be to release the CV name/trademark/logo to the community. Granting a vendor a cheap license to the name and some games isn't even a starter.

 

He can keep Coleco and his robo-rainbow-tech-bright table tops and music videos. Just give the community the CV name/logo. And the he can go make all the lame ass rap videos he wants.

[nick3092]

 

It's a bit much to say he partnered with him. He bought something he loves from him, the only person who sells it. Would you not buy a Switch or Xbox One from Walmart if they were the only ones who sold it or watch a movie because the MPAA tried to kill the VCR. Cardillo's a stubborn dick, but he's not a serial killer or something. Anyhow, I think you've made you're opinion known, but your getting into your own little Opcode vs Collectorvision kind of debate here.

How is he not partnered with him? If you license something, you are partnered.

 

CV also doesn't have to buy/license a name from them. They can realease their product with a new name and without Cardillo's stamp of approval. It will function the same without it. So your argument of buying an exclusive widget from an exclusive seller is a moot point in this case.

 

And actually, I'm not getting into an OC/CV debate. Earlier I said they both have valid arguments as to their systems. And they both could compromise. I'm not taking a side or placing blame. They both are acting childish in that case. Key word being both. It's more or less a chicken vs egg scenario with that. They both have valid points.

 

And that is up to them to hammer out. Also, not really the subject of my main argument of the Cardillo situation.

 

If either of them want me to weigh in with my ideas, they are welcome to ask. Not that I think they will. Pretty sure I've rubbed at least one of them the wrong way, if not both.

Edited July 26, 2018 by nick3092

[Swami]

How is he not partnered with him? If you license something, you are partnered.

 

CV also doesn't have to buy/license a name from them. They can realease their product with a new name and without Cardillo's stamp of approval. It will function the same without it. So your argument of buying an exclusive widget from an exclusive seller is a moot point in this case.

 

And actually, I'm not getting into an OC/CV debate. Earlier I said they both have valid arguments as to their systems. And they both could compromise. I'm not taking a side or placing blame. They both are acting childish in that case. Key word being both. It's more or less a chicken vs egg scenario with that. They both have valid points.

 

And that is up to them to hammer out. Also, not really the subject of my main argument of the Cardillo situation.

 

If either of them want me to weigh in with my ideas, they are welcome to ask. Not that I think they will. Pretty sure I've rubbed at least one of them the wrong way, if not both.

 

 

No, you seem to have ignored most of what I said entirely and just re-iterated the same thing as before. Also, what I'm saying is you are just back-and-forthing with Collectorvision, like Opcode and Colllectorvision are back and forthing. It looks like the same thing, but then you're absolutely right and collectorvision's absolutely wrong, right? I said an opcode vs collectorvision *kind* of debate you just criticized, not that exact debate.

[HDTV1080P]

Y'Know, Entex got around licensing in the 80s with adding a "2" to their games. I had a "Galaxian2". Don't know if they ever got into trouble but...

Another reason to call the system "ColecoVision 2". However I am for paying for licensing when every its legally required.

[nick3092]

 

 

No, you seem to have ignored most of what I said entirely and just re-iterated the same thing as before. Also, what I'm saying is you are just back-and-forthing with Collectorvision, like Opcode and Colllectorvision are back and forthing. It looks like the same thing, but then you're absolutely right and collectorvision's absolutely wrong, right? I said an opcode vs collectorvision *kind* of debate you just criticized, not that exact debate.

I didn't igore you. In fact I answered your post completely. Go read it again.

 

I addressed your question of partnering.

 

I addressed you exclusive scenario.

 

Maybe I was too literal in the CV/OC debate.

Edited July 26, 2018 by nick3092

[Swami]

I didn't igore you. In fact I answered your post completely. Go read it again.

 

I addressed your question of partnering.

 

I addressed you exclusive scenario.

 

Maybe I was too literal in the CV/OC debate.

 

Okay, so then you're never going to see a movie or buy anything from a company that has done something morally objectionable that you don't absolutely need, I guess. Okay sorry.

[nick3092]

 

Okay, so then you're never going to see a movie or buy anything from a company that has done something morally objectionable that you don't absolutely need, I guess. Okay sorry.

If I did that, I'd never leave the house. I addressed that several posts ago. In a nutshell, all corporations suck. Please keep up. Edited July 26, 2018 by nick3092

[Swami]

If I did that, I'd never leave the house. I addressed that several posts ago. In a nutshell, all corporations suck. Please keep up.

 

So its okay for you, but not for Collectorvision. Sorry, if that is confusing to me.

[nick3092]

 

So its okay for you, but not for Collectorvision. Sorry, if that is confusing to me.

It wouldn't be so confusing if you kept up like I suggested. From a prior post of mine referencing the terrible corporations I do business with:

 

"Only difference is they are actual companies making actual products that I currently need and / or make my life easier. Makes it easier to turn a blind eye when there is an actual need. History will support that statement. "

 

CV doesn't need to use the Coleco name/brand/trademark. The only reason to do so is to be invoke nostalgia. Which isn't necessary. Their product could sell well without it. I'd even argue it could sell better than a product with a relationship to Cardillo. He has tainted the brand.

 

And Cardillo isn't currently producing shit. Except shitty rap videos. Therefore, no one has any reason to support this "corporation". And I use that term extremely loosely.

[Swami]

It wouldn't be so confusing if you kept up like I suggested. From a prior post of mine referencing the terrible corporations I do business with:

 

"Only difference is they are actual companies making actual products that I currently need and / or make my life easier. Makes it easier to turn a blind eye when there is an actual need. History will support that statement. "

 

CV doesn't need to use the Coleco name/brand/trademark. The only reason to do so is to be invoke nostalgia. Which isn't necessary. Their product could sell well without it. I'd even argue it could sell better than a product with a relationship to Cardillo. He has tainted the brand.

 

And Cardillo isn't currently producing shit. Except shitty rap videos. Therefore, no one has any reason to support this "corporation". And I use that term extremely loosely.

 

Many of the companies you deal with aren't making anything either, they're just selling something they didn't make. Collectorvision doesn't NEED to buy from them in this case and you don't need to in many cases, either. I'm done with this round and round regurgitation.

[youki]

Objectively what Cardillo did that is so bad for the community ? or what impacted the community?

 

I don't know him , and honestly i don't care about him.

 

But i can understand that TPR or Opcode hate him because they have been directly in conflict with him. And they make in sort that their personal conflicts been shared with the community. To find some support or whatever.. it is understandable.

 

But , Objectively , for the rest of us ? What is the real impact. We lost CV logo on the SGM and game box ? and?

 

I don't say i agree with Cardillo. I don't know exactly all the context of story , so i can be wrong. But , basically, for me he is insignificant about the community as whole. From my point view It is just a guy who try to make money with something he owns now. It will change nothing to our passion for the console or the brand as it was in the 80's.

 

And i think , it is a nice thing to have an official logo on the new console , even if the console will be as attractive without it.

Edited July 26, 2018 by youki

[mr_me]

The ONLY Colecovision system you will EVER need!

Gotta get home to my Colecovision!

A reimagining of the greatest arcade quality video game system of all time.

Engineered with an FPGA. No emulation. Total accuracy!

The ColecoVision HD Game System is not a plug n play toy. It is the definitive way to revive the Colecovisions 8-bit era.

Compatible with ALL the Colecovision , Megacart, WaferCart & SuperGame game cartridge library!

Explore and re-live the greatest arcade quality video game system with no compromises.

Colecovision HD System**

An Officially Licensed Colecovision FPGA system

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Final Case design subject to change

Dimensions

7.5″ length

4.75″ wide

1.7″ high

Technical Specifications

Compatibility

ColecoVision, Megacart & SuperGame game cartridges

Region Free

Worldwide Compatibility [PSU: 100-240v, 50-60hz]

No SGM in the system, but the system will play Super Game Module*** games

Video

HDMI Output

Audio

Digital audio via HDMI

Special Features

F18A Video Enhanced Compatibility Built-in

Original-style Colecovision (DB-9) Controller Ports

Original-style SNES/SFC Controller Port (For even more controller compatiblity!) (NTT Data compatible)

SD card firmware updating [via Colecovision HD SD card slot]*

PS2 Keyboard input

Other Features

20+ Built in digital Original Colecovision games

5+ digital Homebrew games

Sydney Hunter and the Caverns of Death exclusive Pack in game

INCLUDES

CollectorVision Video Game System

Sydney Hunter and the Caverns of Death (Exclusive pack-in Game)*

Colecovision Games Pack (Digital)

Instruction Manual

HDMI Cable

Worldwide USB Power Supply [100-240v, 50/60hz, USA/JPN plug-type]

Expansion Module Port

A variety of expansion modules will be released after console launch. More information on these will be provided later.

* Loading rom file off the SD card is available for homebrew developers to test out their creations (i.e. homebrew games). CollectorVision Games Inc. does not condone or promote piracy, please purchase original games to support the game developers and companies when possible.

** The Colecovision HD System is made and manufactured by CollectorVision Games Inc. CollectorVision Games Inc. is in no way affiliated with Coleco Holdings. Coleco Holdings is only liscencing the Colecovision name/logo

More details will be revealed with the kickstarter launch.

https://collectorvision.com/shop/colecovision/colecovision-hd-system/

Will it still have MSX and Atari 2600 compatibility?

Will f18a advanced features like sprite flicker reduction be enabled by default?

What are the 20+ games licensed from RWB/Coleco?

[xybot67]

Honestly, all this makes me questionate how much time I would stick in the homebrew community

I've been contributing for the last 10 years now, but I admit I'm getting exhausted

Dealing with all this mess for the love of the Colecovision and the community

I remember days where it was fun to be here and when I used to post and interact more with people

It's becoming toxic like most of the homebrew community....

 

I'm going to seriously think what I'm going to do in the near future, maybe I'll just leave

Wich would probably makes a few people here happy .....

I feel your pain, I'm so sick of everyone standing on their soapboxes and preaching. This used to be a fun place and now its just too serious with all the politics. Do what you want, and if people don't like it, they don't have to buy it! Nobody has the right to tell you how to run your business. Personally I'm glad you will be using the original logo and I don't care how you got it. Remember, we are talking about videogames! IMHO, people need to lighten up. If they feel the need to take a stand on something, there are more important issuers in the world than Colecovision.

[Ikrananka]

.....there are more important issues in the world than ColecoVision.

 

Blasphemy

[Hwlngmad]

Throwing my two cents into the pile, we all need to be thankful that there is another ColecoVision system for newbs and/or die-hard fans to enjoy. If you agree with and like what Colectorvision is doing, check them out and/or buy their product. If you don't like what Collectorvision is doing, don't check them and/or buy their product. That's it. Plain and simple. Please refrain from preaching and long diatribes. Like xybot67 said, there are more important issues in this world (to fight over) than ColecoVision.

[Albert]

Throwing my two cents into the pile, we all need to be thankful that there is another ColecoVision system for newbs and/or die-hard fans to enjoy. If you agree with and like what Colectorvision is doing, check them out and/or buy their product. If you don't like what Collectorvision is doing, don't check them and/or buy their product. That's it. Plain and simple. Please refrain from preaching and long diatribes. Like xybot67 said, there are more important issues in this world (to fight over) than ColecoVision.

 

So it's okay if you give your opinions, but not others? No, that's not how it works here.

 

..Al