CPUWIZ Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Let me correct that to blocking a specific listing, not item. A.) I agree, when I search for Atari, I don't want to see any fricking sunglasses. B.) Your signature is obscenely large. Future forum software should stop people from doing this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atm94404 Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Eli/Piko, let me give you my two cents on the matter. I do have an account there but have never bought/sold anything, nor do I have lifetime status, so my pleeding has no basis one way or the other. Honoring existing lifetime memberships may seem like a moneypit, but it's really not. Many old users aren't coming back, nothing you can do. Some old users stay, post stuff online, and buyers log in to buy. As the marketplace grows, you attract new users not bound by the grandfather clause, and as long as your rates are not the unfair taxation that is eBay, and you've got some policies in place both sellers and buyers can agree with, then you are likely to grow. But without those "lifetime" power members, you will just alienate your potentially most prolific users and vastly reduce the opportunity to grow the company for some short term monetary gain, if any. Game Gavel will remain a stub, a footnote in the history of failed online sites, do to your shortsightedness. Do you really want Game Gavel to grow? Then I would suggest honoring memberships. I think this is the main source of the negative backlash to this whole endeavor. Clearly Eli has access to the user database because he sent out an unsolicited (an by all accounts, unwelcome) email hyping the new site "Coming Soon". So Eli is trying to get just the good parts of GG, but is trying to insulate himself from the negatives and the obligations. But you really can't have it both ways. You can't say "Hey, I can use this list of members to advertise my new site" and then in the next breath say "I just bought the name and the domain, I have no obligations to honor past memberships" and expect no backlash. That list of members (some of whom PAID for that membership) was worth something when Eli bought it because it gave him an instant audience, but if he doesn't honor those perks of being a member, he's essentially rewarding Mike Kennedy. Those people paid Mike for those memberships (either by money or being an "early adopter"), but MK in turn had obligations to those people. Then MK sells that database to Eli. MK no longer has any obligation and neither does Eli, so those people feel cheated. They can't do anything to MK since he no longer runs/owns GG, but they can take it out on the new owner GG (if in name only). Eli would be on much stronger ground if he had set up a brand new website with just the name and domain and never even looked at the user database. So if Eli isn't going to take over MK's responsibilities, past members are at least going to make sure he gets the grief MK deserves because Mike essentially got rewarded twice for leaving those GG members high and dry. Hopefully you are mistaken; However It would take me about 1-1.5 years to get a website rank organically how GG is ranked on google now. Or several thousand $ in advertising to get it where the domain is now ranked to get it in some reasonable time frame (more than 6 months). I do think customers are smart enough to figure out that a website is under new management and other entities are not scamming them. I too think it makes zero sense for Eli to want GG's reputation. His argument that it would take years and thousands of dollars to get GG's Google ranking is silly. Sure, if I Google "game auction sites", Game Gavel appears near the top. However, if I'm new to this whole selling games, the SECOND thing I Google is "Game Gamel's Reputation". Right near the top in the search is THIS thread with a ton of past GG members complaining about being... well shafted. And you know what's right below it? Crowdfunded Game Console Is Made Out of Tape, Cardboard, and ...Does the "new" Game Gavel really think that is going to help them? Eli may think he has no obligations to past GG members, but Google doesn't make that separation so GG is already and permanently contaminated by MK's other endeavors. And Eli now owning Retro Gamer also adds to the contamination. Google ranking is NOT the end all be all. It's like that ludicrous assertion "There's no such thing as bad publicity". Obviously false. Just ask United Airlines. Or Mel Gibson. The guy who came up with "there's no such thing as bad publicity" was likely a publicist about to get fired after screwing up. The other thing that keeps coming up in this thread is "Eli's not Mike Kennedy". True, but he seems to be channeling him a lot. Pipercup, posting stuff like that or derailing the subject is the best way to lose my respect; I don't have much left for you to be honest. If I buy something It ends up being a trashcan in flames, I'll just sell heat. You can question my gut all you want, at the end of the day I'm the one losing money aren't I? Like I "lost" with Noah's Ark, Duke Nukem Genesis, Wisdom Tree, etc etc etc etc. ... Also, on your comment about credit etc. I didn't buy a business entity, so any debt anybody may have towards Game Gavel LLC I have no stake on it. That response is about as pure MK as you can get. He may as well have said "Hey, then I'll have 100% of the dumpster fire market. Simple as that. And if you don't agree, you're just a bunch of haters since I'm the only one whose losing money here." The fact that the "Coming Soon" announcement people assumed was Mike Kennedy spamming them should tell you something because who else would try to shock that dead horse back to life but MK? And then there's the whole "This is totally not Game Gavel, but it totally is Game Gavel" which is very reminiscent of the "Coleco is back" debacle with the Chameleon. Be honest, Eli. If when you are trying to generate buzz for the "new" Game Gavel and some website or prospective large seller says "So Game Gavel? Never heard of it" are you going to say A) "Well we just started in June 2017. This is a brand new endeavor by me." or B) are you much more likely to engage in MK-esque puffery along the lines of "Well Game Gavel's been around since 2010 and is the premier game auction website"? Be honest. You'll go for B. But at the same time, if the person HAS heard of Game Gavel and its checkered past you will go with "This is totally new. I just bought the name. It has NOTHING to do with the old Game Gavel". But reality is, as much as you'd like to have it both ways, you can't just take the good parts of buying Game Gavel and none of the stink. If you take the good, you have to take the bad (you take them both and there you have The Facts of Life). BTW, Eli, if MK's argument for the price of Retro Gamer was that he still had to pay other people, I HOPE you had the good sense to say "I'll pay THEM for you" instead of giving MK additional money that those people will likely never see. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 That response is about as pure MK as you can get. He may as well have said "Hey, then I'll have 100% of the dumpster fire market. Simple as that. And if you don't agree, you're just a bunch of haters since I'm the only one whose losing money here." There is value in a good dumpster fire. I mean, homeless people got to stay warm somehow, amiright? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari8bitCarts Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Yep, I have a free for life account as well. Not that I'm using it. It looks like Eli is going to take whatever might be left that could be a positive asset (like the member base) but ditch anything that could be considered a negative liability to him (like the previous obligations associated with lifetime free memeberships to the sellers that built that memeber base) cause that won't fit in with his plans. Both GG and RM are toxic properties. I have no clue why he would even consider buying them as it will no doubt spill onto the Piko Brand which is not a good thing. Granted I'm not entirely sure what the lifetime GG membership offered, but that isn't a very good business model. It can't be "friend" based, its a business. And if GG went, or will be, going bankrupt then ALL the assets would be included; name, domain name, website, etc. You couldn't get some of that without the liquidation. Unless there are not creditors, etc. then going bankruptcy would be an untrue statement. Though why in the world would anyone want those! That website was terrible. Navigation was terrible. Presentation was even worse. There wasn't one thing that site did well for construction. About 10 or so years ago I offered suggestions, as a professional site developer. I'm not even sure a game only auction or selling site could survive. Too much of a niche. You need re-occurring revenue to sustain longevity. Through sellers and the % of sell. Not the listing costs. Not memberships. eBay needs competition, I'm just not sure what that could be. More sites like 'Let go' are starting up, but I'm not sure even they can do it. It needs marketing, lot of it, and smart people creating it, evolving it. But GameGavel's death was long over due in my opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SignGuy81 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 I just looked at Gamegavel.com for the first time ever. I don't like the way the listings are laid out. The images should be cropped a certain length and height so all the rows and columns should line up(except when you actually click on that persons item then click to see the image for better detail, just the thumb in the original listings you scroll thru). I don't know why that bothers me but it just does, as it makes it look more professional when it is all the same. The properties of a persons pic they upload shouldn't affect how it lays out on your website when displaying the items. The way I would do it is keep the spacing the same with the columns and rows which would all be the same width and height(including the third box over to the right which is for advertisement, as long as it has that wording at the top which says advertisement don't see a problem there, and also you probably get more clicks that way if which is good if using affiliate marketing). Also the very first page of featured items is full of pics of ONE game for sale by individuals that are posting images of games by the box fulls. The shouldn't be allowed to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PikoInteractive Posted June 5, 2017 Author Share Posted June 5, 2017 I just looked at Gamegavel.com for the first time ever. I don't like the way the listings are laid out. The images should be cropped a certain length and height so all the rows and columns should line up(except when you actually click on that persons item then click to see the image for better detail, just the thumb in the original listings you scroll thru). I don't know why that bothers me but it just does, as it makes it look more professional when it is all the same. The properties of a persons pic they upload shouldn't affect how it lays out on your website when displaying the items. The way I would do it is keep the spacing the same with the columns and rows which would all be the same width and height(including the third box over to the right which is for advertisement, as long as it has that wording at the top which says advertisement don't see a problem there, and also you probably get more clicks that way if which is good if using affiliate marketing). Also the very first page of featured items is full of pics of ONE game for sale by individuals that are posting images of games by the box fulls. The shouldn't be allowed to do that. Yeah one of the things fore sure is going away is that Ad block on the body as well as the 4 platform blocks on the bottom. I don't get the last part of the box fulls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SignGuy81 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 (edited) Yeah one of the things fore sure is going away is that Ad block on the body as well as the 4 platform blocks on the bottom. I don't get the last part of the box fulls? People will post a pic of a whole box of games, but then in the title "Super Mario Bros/Duck Hunt" for example. People should have to post a pic of what they are actually selling. Did you get what I meant though too about the size of pictures people upload. It is like the images are cropped to just the width and not the height, and because of this nothing looks like it is in order as far as rows and columns. Some people might think it is okay though but to me it just doesn't look good. Edited June 5, 2017 by SignGuy81 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PikoInteractive Posted June 5, 2017 Author Share Posted June 5, 2017 Gotcha on both. The pic yeah I agree, the box full per listing I think user can flag those listings or something like that to let support know that. I agree that pic must be of the item only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaysWithWolves Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 This would require human moderators and a little extra work from sellers, but Swappa has an interesting way of verifying listings: They give the seller a code which the seller must put with the time in each picture taken. Then a Swappa staff member verifies the code matches and usually within the hour the listing goes live. Swappa vs Ebay. Also, instead of charging the seller they charge a small fee to the buyer. I don't know if that would work in your case, but it's working for them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 This would require human moderators and a little extra work from sellers, but Swappa has an interesting way of verifying listings: They give the seller a code which the seller must put with the time in each picture taken. Then a Swappa staff member verifies the code matches and usually within the hour the listing goes live. Swappa vs Ebay. Also, instead of charging the seller they charge a small fee to the buyer. I don't know if that would work in your case, but it's working for them. JCGZTvNW_big1.jpg That seems like a logistical nightmare to have moderators verify every pic. One way to automate the process through software would be to have the seller print out a QR code and embed that in every photo. The QR code would be unique per seller (so they don't need to print a unique code for every listing) and have his or her user ID on it. The server would verify the QR code (and this also prevents blurry ass pics from cheap phones) in each listing, though the user could still bypass this by copy/paste the QR code into a stock photo. In said cases, users could then report the use of "stock photo" and the seller would receive warning that stock photos ate not allowed, and the listing would be deactivated until he/she uploads a proper photo of the actual item. Listings of multiple identical items would be allowed with single photo provided the items in question are new condition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lendorien Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 This would require human moderators and a little extra work from sellers, but Swappa has an interesting way of verifying listings: They give the seller a code which the seller must put with the time in each picture taken. Then a Swappa staff member verifies the code matches and usually within the hour the listing goes live. Swappa vs Ebay. Also, instead of charging the seller they charge a small fee to the buyer. I don't know if that would work in your case, but it's working for them. JCGZTvNW_big1.jpg Honestly, would you even need to have a mod verify? The buyer can look at the image themselves and see if the number matches, right? If it doesn't, well, the buyer knows to avoid it. Or you could have a report button so THEN a mod can look at it. A thought. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpatte02 Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 (edited) This would require human moderators and a little extra work from sellers, but Swappa has an interesting way of verifying listings: They give the seller a code which the seller must put with the time in each picture taken. Then a Swappa staff member verifies the code matches and usually within the hour the listing goes live. Swappa vs Ebay. Also, instead of charging the seller they charge a small fee to the buyer. I don't know if that would work in your case, but it's working for them. JCGZTvNW_big1.jpg This just conjures up images of people holding that day's Newspaper. Put a little ransom in your auction. Edited June 12, 2017 by bpatte02 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender II Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Talked with the weaster today. Showed me around the admin backend I can see the userbase. I was thinking of changing platforms but doing that really would make everybody lose everything lol. So I asked the webmaster to give me a cost for implementing some of things I liked that were talked about here. Everything will stay as is, no changes on accounts but will do purge non active users that won't list withing the time frame we request. So what is your time frame? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 So what is your time frame? I think he's still working out the details... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg2600 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 I wish you luck. Not sure what the buy in will be on this. So many have entrenched with ebay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PikoInteractive Posted June 20, 2017 Author Share Posted June 20, 2017 So what is your time frame? Will take a while, the software developer I trust is a bit busy for the next couple of weeks. I think we'll re-do everything from scratch. I think we'll add a inventory management feature that feeds into ebay, amazon, and etsy, may be mercado libre CBT too. Dunno if offerup and let go have any API to feed listings, if they do we should be able to add them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icemanxp300 Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 I was able to log in just now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Any news on this whole thing? It's been 3 weeks since I've read anything new on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vectrexer Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) Multi-category listing for no extra charge. With a limit of two or three extra categories. I would say built-in sniping of listings. But of course that presents a conflict of interest. So instead, a GameGavel API that would allow other sites such as www.Gixen.com, and other,s an established method to securely connect via token for the purposes of third party interaction with GameGavel's bidding system. Would also like to see a GameGavel API method for listing items on the site. In general the GG API should support automation both with a native GG client (web / mobile), and third party clients / integrations (web / mobile / service-service) . Edited July 13, 2017 by Vectrexer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vectrexer Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Would like integration to more payment platforms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamicomVinnk Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 An app or at least a good mobile site would help. It's almost impossible to use GG with a Smartphone in it's current form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PikoInteractive Posted July 20, 2017 Author Share Posted July 20, 2017 Any news on this whole thing? It's been 3 weeks since I've read anything new on this. It will be a long time before a a new beta is launched. It will be built from ground up =D. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari8bitCarts Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 It will be a long time..... Really, you and a dozen other companies. I put down 2022 in my calendar. This ended up being a topic for "what would make a great auction site", with all the typical responses as seen over the last 15+ years of posts. What does this have to do with gamegavel. It was stated that outside of the URL there was nothing more acquired. Which makes no sense in a real liquidation. If your really serious about competing with players like eBay then you need serious talent and money. Full time. You build something like that with a team. If not, it falls the fate of gamegavel. And it's just another hobby site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 Would it be such a bad thing if it just went away? Not everything needs to live forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 Piko bit off more than he can chew. Everyone makes bad investments from time to time. How do you plan to turn the magazine around? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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