Fragmare Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Hey, all. I've been posting these over on the 8-bit forums, but I know not everybody here drops in over there, so i figured I'd make a post here, as well. Especially since I made all these covers with the 7800 in mind. Hope you all like https://youtu.be/ufWvi4q0ZSY https://youtu.be/3BfSrzrG4qI https://youtu.be/NvqG5XwP-aE https://youtu.be/ht3I_xsoqbo https://youtu.be/yU2XFKaKBJo https://youtu.be/XaGmQ6pWhRM 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinks Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Like. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZylonBane Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 The 7800 doesn't have a POKEY (yes, it's "POKEY", not "PoKEY). So what does "7800 inspired" even mean here? These aren't 7800 games. It's not 7800 music. They're not something a 7800 can play. WTF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragmare Posted May 29, 2017 Author Share Posted May 29, 2017 The 7800 doesn't have a POKEY (yes, it's "POKEY", not "PoKEY). So what does "7800 inspired" even mean here? These aren't 7800 games. It's not 7800 music. They're not something a 7800 can play. WTF. Semantics aside, the Pokey was supposed to be the sound chip in the 7800 cartridges, was it not? Though only two games ever used it. The 7800 is roughly contemporary to the Famicom/NES, so I decided to see what some NES music sounded like on it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZylonBane Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 No, POKEY was never part of the 7800 design. http://www.atarimuseum.com/videogames/consoles/7800/atari3600.html So yeah, I'm still not getting how these are any more "7800 inspired" than all the hundreds of other POKEY tunes that exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 No, POKEY was never part of the 7800 design. http://www.atarimuseum.com/videogames/consoles/7800/atari3600.html So yeah, I'm still not getting how these are any more "7800 inspired" than all the hundreds of other POKEY tunes that exist. It's what could have been. But does Pokey capable of reproducing two variable duty cycle rectangles, a triangle, pseudo-random noise, and 1-bit PCM? Didn't think so. That said... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragmare Posted May 29, 2017 Author Share Posted May 29, 2017 It's what could have been. Exactly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZylonBane Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 It's what could have been. So you're agreeing these are no more "7800 inspired" than any other POKEY tune. Less even, since there's zero chance any of these games would ever have been released on the 7800. This all just smacks of a narcissist making up a nonsensical reason to crosspost. I suppose next he'll post these in the 2600 forum as "2600 inspired", because hey, it's technically possible to jam a POKEY into a 2600 cart. Or the arcade forum as "Tempest inspired" because arcade Tempest used POKEY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragmare Posted May 29, 2017 Author Share Posted May 29, 2017 So you're agreeing these are no more "7800 inspired" than any other POKEY tune. Less even, since there's zero chance any of these games would ever have been released on the 7800. This all just smacks of a narcissist making up a nonsensical reason to crosspost. I suppose next he'll post these in the 2600 forum as "2600 inspired", because hey, it's technically possible to jam a POKEY into a 2600 cart. Or the arcade forum as "Tempest inspired" because arcade Tempest used POKEY. You're missing something here. The Atari 7800 *LITERALLY INSPIRED* me to start making NES chiptunes for the POKEY. It wasn't until after reading an article, similar to the one you posted, detailing that there was not enough room for the POKEY on the 7800 motherboard, so the solution was to just add it in with the 7800 carts. I got curious and I started making a few 7800-spec mockup screens and sprites for Ninja Gaiden, and also the 4-2 music on POKEY... because who would consider porting Ninja Gaiden to the 7800 without using the POKEY for the music? It stands to reason that if the 7800 had been more popular, more cartridges would have contained POKEY chips than just two. And, like i said before, since the NES and 7800 were roughly contemporary, I wanted to see what some other NES music sounded like on the 7800 w/ POKEY. As for your complaint that none of these games would have ever been released on the 7800... I don't see how that is relevant? Of course none of these games would have stood a chance to be released on anything other than the NES/Famicom, at the time. Nintendo had such a dominant stranglehold on the market, companies like Capcom, Konami and Sunsoft would never even have considered releasing a 7800 game... but it's fun to hear what might have been. That's the whole point of this. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZylonBane Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 You're missing something here. The Atari 7800 *LITERALLY INSPIRED* me to start making NES chiptunes for the POKEY. It's easy to miss something you never said until just now. So, to make sure I'm following your logic here correctly... if you'd been motivated to do this by something else, say, a really good ham sandwich, the title of this thread would have instead been "Some ham sandwich inspired NES chiptune covers on the Atari PoKeY". Correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragmare Posted May 29, 2017 Author Share Posted May 29, 2017 (edited) It's easy to miss something you never said until just now. So, to make sure I'm following your logic here correctly... if you'd been motivated to do this by something else, say, a really good ham sandwich, the title of this thread would have instead been "Some ham sandwich inspired NES chiptune covers on the Atari PoKeY". Correct? Probably, but this isn't the AtariAge - Ham Sandwich sub-forum, this is the 7800 section. However, if I ever do make any ham sandwich inspired Pokey music, I'll make sure to post it in the Ham Sandwich section. Edited May 29, 2017 by Fragmare 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
empsolo Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 These remixes are rather really good. I was wondering if you could do a POKEY remix of the NES Fire Emblem games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toiletunes Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 if I ever do make any ham sandwich inspired Pokey music, I'll make sure to post it in the Ham Sandwich section. How many 'likes' does a person need in order to have permissions to view the Ham Sandwich subforum? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZylonBane Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Just one from Moycon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinks Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 It sounds cool.. give the guy a break. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+frankodragon Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Yeah, if it wasn't NOA's monopoly back then, the Atari 7800 could of had third-party publishers like Capcom and Tecmo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
empsolo Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Yeah, if it wasn't NOA's monopoly back then, the Atari 7800 could of had third-party publishers like Capcom and Tecmo. Debatable. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Debatable. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Japanese developers in general don't design games for Western consoles normally. That's why I can't understand why anyone would side with Xbox in the console rat-race if they can't get those awesome Japanese ports on it, unless all they care about is FPS and Sports titles. Then again I don't care too much about modern games not produced by Nintendo so take it with a grain of salt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
empsolo Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 The reason why the 360 got big Japanese support was because Microsoft decided to pay upfront for exclusives. Something they decided not to do this gen. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+frankodragon Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Debatable. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Could be. I remember a GamePro issue of a reader asking about if there would be any more new Atari 7800 games coming out, and his answer by GamePro was that Atari made more games for it, but had better reception (including the SMS) in Europe than in the states. Atari did sell its NTSC games through mail order, but was hoping to get more sales through their Lynx console. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+SmittyB Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Bizarrely out of place hostility aside, I'm always a big fan of music covers on different hardware and how sometimes the compromises create a better sound (in my opinion). An example being the C64 Castlevania soundtrack versus the NES soundtrack. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8th lutz Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) frankodragon, on 29 May 2017 - 7:15 PM, said:Yeah, if it wasn't NOA's monopoly back then, the Atari 7800 could of had third-party publishers like Capcom and Tecmo. I don't think so in this case for Japanese publishers. The problem is the Atari 7800 wasn't going to sold in Japan rather it was being released in the states nationally in 1984 or not. The Sega Master System could be getting Capcom, Data East, Taito, and Sunsoft as Japanese 3rd party publishers at least if Nintendo didn't have a monopoly. This would've caused the Genesis to be released in Japan in 1989 or 1990 if you count the American publishers that were NES exclusive publishers in that era. What the 7800 would've got for 3rd party publishers was Acclaim, Broderbund, LJN, Gametek, Hi Expressions, Mindscape, Tengen and Tradwest. I didn't mention Epyx because I think they only were interested in publishing 2600 titles and I think that would've change the 7800 was released in 1984 nationally either. Edited May 30, 2017 by 8th lutz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Just one from Moycon. He only posts in the bologna forum. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+frankodragon Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 He only posts in the bologna forum. Sorry, couldn't resist. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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