ColecoJoe Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 I have nothing but respect for CollectorVision. But, they don't have any connections in China. So they could spend a hundred thousand dollars easy on the injection molding, and the other hundred thousand on manufacturing the pcbs in China. If they get screwed by the factories they do business with in China, they have lost all the money, and there is nothing they can do to deliver the product they promised. Big corporations like Sony, Microsoft, Samsung, etc have lawyers and can get their money back and produce the product in a different Chinese factory. Smaller companies like AtGames have legal resources and connections in China. Tiny companies like Collectorvision have no connections in China, and no money to hire lawyers, if things go wrong. The prototype of the Phoenix looked real, but who knows if there would be other problems translating a one off prototype into a production unit. Just to clarify ... I believe the Colectorvision Pheonix is a real thing ... I own many of their game releases but the risk was too high for me because it's a slippery slope .. as you said they don't have the resources to make things right if things go wrong. I hope it comes out though! I can afford to throw $200 out the window but my dad taught me to value my money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannacek Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 They are going forward with taking pre-orders on their website, so you can wait for them to deliver on the pre-orders, read reviews, then make your decision if you want to buy or not. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godslabrat Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 Okay, so you're saying that if Atari has a product that they refuse to show, that's considered corporate malpractice? That is not what I said, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLeaf Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 I have a helluva lot more confidence in Collectorvision than Atacobox. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lodmot Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 (edited) That is not what I said, no. Alright, sorry. I kind of interpreted it from this statement: To argue that they have a product they aren't showing isn't just "poor communication", it's an argument that Atari is stupid. Stupid on a "I wrote six checks to Mister Lee" level. If they really were that stupid, they would be guilty of corporate malpractice. "Poor communication = Atari is stupid = They're guilty of company malpractice"... Edited November 29, 2018 by Lodmot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racerx Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 Dear God in heaven...quit quoting that guy. I've actually blocked someone for the first time in almost 14 years here. I'd rather talk tacos than wade through absolute nonsense. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCAT Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 I once ordered a soft taco from a guy named Mr. Lee, when I got outside and looked in the bag it was more of a burrito... when I turned around to go back to sort it out the take-out joint was not there...just an empty lot o.o very mysterious this Mr. Lee you speak of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Lodmot, I'm gonna explain it exactly once, so pay attention. Most people do things that serve their interest. Most companies, which are comprised of people, behave the same way. If Atari were making progress on the AtariBox, it would be in their interest (juice their brand, show they aren't pants-on-head stupid, etc) to show it. That would be the rational, logical thing to do. They crow about every bad deal they've made thus far (cryptocurrency, casino licensing, rollercoaster tycoon mobile exploitation, speaker hat) so to keep quiet about something good would be out of character, not to mention bad business, and most importantly, not in their interest. Could they be holding back exclusives for Half-Life 3 and Halo 47 and Super Mario 128, as well as never-before-seen amazing features and addictive, accessible gameplay? Somehow channeling Atari of 1982 in a way that we never thought possible, that shuts up the haters once and for all? Yeah, sure ...and Arzt and Chesnais and Shallbetter would keep their traps shut. And monkeys will fly out of my butt. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBerel Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Another huge red flag is when they focus all the time and attention on what the outside case and controller will look like, and spend no time on the circuit board. This is not evidence of a scam, but a big red flag. Focus on the outside case? Hell, for 6 months they were pimping the virtual cardboard box the f*ckin thing would ship in if it ever saw existence. Only after 2 or three deliberately faked photos & videos showing people supposedly using the game system with wires and genuine simulated pantomime controls did they unintentionally acknowledge that they never had more than LEDs in the plastic box, and have yet to have even an off the shelf test board inside one. At best this thing is a kid’s makerspace project that has yet to be completed. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Spriggy Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Some people simply drink the Kool-Aid. Others actively pass out the Dixie cups. ... and some piss in the cup and pass it off as Kool-Aid! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godslabrat Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Lodmot, I'm gonna explain it exactly once, so pay attention. Most people do things that serve their interest. Most companies, which are comprised of people, behave the same way. If Atari were making progress on the AtariBox, it would be in their interest (juice their brand, show they aren't pants-on-head stupid, etc) to show it. That would be the rational, logical thing to do. They crow about every bad deal they've made thus far (cryptocurrency, casino licensing, rollercoaster tycoon mobile exploitation, speaker hat) so to keep quiet about something good would be out of character, not to mention bad business, and most importantly, not in their interest. Could they be holding back exclusives for Half-Life 3 and Halo 47 and Super Mario 128, as well as never-before-seen amazing features and addictive, accessible gameplay? Somehow channeling Atari of 1982 in a way that we never thought possible, that shuts up the haters once and for all? Yeah, sure ...and Arzt and Chesnais and Shallbetter would keep their traps shut. And monkeys will fly out of my butt. This. Exactly this. The Atari crew can (and does) communicate every terrible idea and every nickel they find in the sofa. To suggest they have something worth showing, but are opting not to, defies their entire history. And with no cash flow and tanking stock prices, NOT promoting a viable product would, in fact, be corporate malpractice. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+frankodragon Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Hang this on your trees. In fact, buy plenty. Forget about those ball ones. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mr. Video Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 'Tis the season. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atariboy2600 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 https://youtu.be/lOoFbeipS54 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcoleiro1 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 (edited) So did the Gameband team tell backers what all the money was spent on. If not , they have broken Kickstarters Terms of Servicehttps://www.kickstarter.com/terms-of-use/sept2014 Quote, Choice bits bolded: If a creator is unable to complete their project and fulfill rewards, they’ve failed to live up to the basic obligations of this agreement. To right this, they must make every reasonable effort to find another way of bringing the project to the best possible conclusion for backers. A creator in this position has only remedied the situation and met their obligations to backers if: they post an update that explains what work has been done, how funds were used, and what prevents them from finishing the project as planned; they work diligently and in good faith to bring the project to the best possible conclusion in a timeframe that’s communicated to backers; they’re able to demonstrate that they’ve used funds appropriately and made every reasonable effort to complete the project as promised; they’ve been honest, and have made no material misrepresentations in their communication to backers; and they offer to return any remaining funds to backers who have not received their reward (in proportion to the amounts pledged), or else explain how those funds will be used to complete the project in some alternate form. The creator is solely responsible for fulfilling the promises made in their project. If they’re unable to satisfy the terms of this agreement, they may be subject to legal action by backers. Edited November 30, 2018 by vcoleiro1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digdugnate Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 lolol, the gift that just keeps on giving. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBerel Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 (edited) The creator is solely responsible for fulfilling the promises made in their project. If theyre unable to satisfy the terms of this agreement, they may be subject to legal action by backers. That last line is the relevant one. Because they have specifically violated the terms of the platform they used, they do have legal exposure for conspiracy to defraud and material breach of contract. As one would expect, now the backers are arguing amongst themselves about the futility of attempting any legal action. Feargal is counting on his claims of having spent more than raised, shell corporation that shields him from liability and his out of country residence status as protection. Some of them should find a weasel attorney who will take on a class action suit to stick it to that sleeze. While that wouldnt yield them a dime, it would help in the karma department. Quick aside, Ive got the new iPad, and every time I post with it, quotes and apostrophes that are clearly in the post are removed after its submitted. Weird. Anybody else have that? Edited November 30, 2018 by JBerel 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBerel Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Does that prove that D-bag is an Atari employee? 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 And it goes without saying that IGG and Kickstarter aren't going to lift a finger to help either party, not the campaign runners and certainly not the backers. Any legal action would need to be initiated and funded by the backers, literally throwing good money after bad. But everyone knows there's a ton of money to be had in cornering the retro game market. You'll need a snow shovel to rake it all in. Simple as that. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digdugnate Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Does that prove that D-bag is an Atari employee? if not, it's someone that has a personal stake in it, it sounds like. (all pure speculation, ftr) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcoleiro1 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 (edited) It's a tricky one. I guess the best option for the Gameband backers would be to get a lawyer to take on a class action case on a no win no pay basis. But since they said the money is gone, that's going to be very hard to get a lawyer that would do that. They would need some evidence that the Gameband team either lied about there being no money, or there was evidence of fraud so they could to go after the Gameband CEO personnaly to retrieve cash.The situation sucks. This reminds me of the Peachy printer campaign where they flat out came out and said that one of the team members stole a huge chunk of backers money - $320K. And yet nothing happened. At least not to date and it's been years. Edited November 30, 2018 by vcoleiro1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Does that prove that D-bag is an Atari employee? The "limited edition" at $79 after discount is almost a not stupid price. Just another forty bucks off and I'd be interested ... or maybe $15 without the hardware since regardless of price, the concept remains stupid. "While supplies last!" says the banner. The shipping options have a big meaty asterisk, "from the moment the goods are available in the warehouse." ** ** Is the guy an employee? Who knows, who cares? He's got lots of strong opinions on his public FB page. I don't need to know whether someone's opinions are paid or not to draw my own conclusions. Speaking of dubiously-marked clothing, I just noticed that their exclusive, limited T-shirts say "Backed 2018" on the back. Since it was a backer-only deal, I can't see the cost or materials used. Does anyone know what material they're using, and how much they want for these? Obviously the picture is just a mock-up, not a real shirt. I'm somewhat surprised it doesn't say, *for illustration purposes only with the trademark asshole asterisk. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Quick aside, Ive got the new iPad, and every time I post with it, quotes and apostrophes that are clearly in the post are removed after its submitted. Weird. Anybody else have that? Yeah, turn off "smart quotes." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inky Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 I have a helluva lot more confidence in Collectorvision than Atacobox. At least Collectorvision has a track record of announcing things and delivering on their promises. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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