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#876 Kosmic Stardust OFFLINE  

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Posted Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:09 PM

 
AtGames is no longer including homebrews with the products. We hope to create a portal at some point for homebrew availability. Let's wait until some of the official announcements in the coming months to discuss more specifics of all of this.

The bundled pacman on the portable is a homebrew.

#877 MrBeefy OFFLINE  

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Posted Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:05 PM

The bundled pacman on the portable is a homebrew.


There can be only 1.

#878 Bill Loguidice OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:40 AM

The bundled pacman on the portable is a homebrew.

 

I didn't mean for last year, I meant going forward, 2018 and beyond. Also, a few select ones, like the hacks (Adventure II, etc.), will stay, as I'm sure Pac-Man will.



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Posted Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:46 AM

Guys check just before the 1 min. mark   ;)

 



#880 Shawn OFFLINE  

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Posted Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:52 AM

Guys check just before the 1 min. mark   ;)

 

 

That is totally awesome sauce! You see the SD card slot on that too? Open source to update firmware as well? They said it licensed Stella as well. I'd really like to know the exact build and

how they went about it but aside from that I think this looks like my next atari purchase.



#881 Coolcrab OFFLINE  

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Posted Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:53 AM

Wow so it isn't cancelled :o I really want this thing. 

 

Also if it downloads the rom, then I assume that the supercharger won't work? or the stella cart?



#882 Thomas Jentzsch OFFLINE  

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Posted Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:17 AM

They said it licensed Stella as well.

If they use a legally licensed version, then this must be a very old one (v1.1 from 1999!). Since then Stella is GPL and has been massively improved (see ChangeLog). Stella 1.1 wouldn't even play Pitfall 2.



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Posted Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:22 AM

I was hoping they would show it working but it was just shots of the console. I have a sliver of hope but I'm still not convinced this thing happens.



#884 Schizophretard OFFLINE  

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Posted Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:10 AM

If they use a legally licensed version, then this must be a very old one (v1.1 from 1999!). Since then Stella is GPL and has been massively improved (see ChangeLog). Stella 1.1 wouldn't even play Pitfall 2.

 

But if the video said it is open source firmware then wouldn't that be the recent GPL Stella? 



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Posted Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:28 AM

If it is an old version of Stella, then it won't even play any of the newer home brews.  :_(



#886 Coolcrab OFFLINE  

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Posted Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:01 AM

well if you can put on your own stella version then its fine right?



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Posted Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:47 AM

well if you can put on your own stella version then its fine right?


Indeed. If it ships with Dirt.0, but you can upgrade to a recent one on a break-the-warranty basis, that seems like a fair workaround.

#888 Keatah OFFLINE  

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Posted Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:43 AM

..that the label is falling off the cartridge tells me this is a mockup that's been sitting around for quite some time and nowhere near a working model.



#889 Thomas Jentzsch OFFLINE  

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Posted Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:46 AM

Indeed. If it ships with Dirt.0, but you can upgrade to a recent one on a break-the-warranty basis, that seems like a fair workaround.

  1. How should that work? You can't simply plug-in a recent Stella, it would have to be adapted
  2. Fair for whom?


#890 Keatah OFFLINE  

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Posted Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:25 AM

I'm pretty sure he left out the modding and compiling part.



#891 atarifan88 OFFLINE  

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Posted Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:30 AM

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#892 Kosmic Stardust OFFLINE  

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Posted Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:01 PM

Eww, should have gone with green for the gameboy instead of eye-strain-inducing blue. Otherwise awesome sauce. I wonder if any of that stuff work with 'brews and flashcarts?

#893 Shawn OFFLINE  

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Posted Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:33 PM

 

But if the video said it is open source firmware then wouldn't that be the recent GPL Stella? 

 

That is where I was confused as well.



#894 Schizophretard OFFLINE  

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Posted Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:54 AM

 

That is where I was confused as well.

 

It seemed like he was saying it was somehow open source and proprietary at the same time. If it is a properly licensed version of Stella and open source then it must be the GPL version but if we would even need to use custom firmware then it must not be the GPL version.



#895 Thomas Jentzsch OFFLINE  

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Posted Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:25 AM

Exactly. Where should that custom firmware come from? And how should it incorporate the latest Stella without changing it or violating GPL? 


Edited by Thomas Jentzsch, Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:25 AM.


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Posted Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:06 AM

The statement on Stella licensing and their stance to the GPL in the video is basically same as the original statements from Hyperkin in this thread, and I find them dubious and contradictory to say the least.



#897 Flojomojo ONLINE  

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Posted Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:41 AM

Exactly. Where should that custom firmware come from? And how should it incorporate the latest Stella without changing it or violating GPL? 

 

It would come from the community, and if the end user installed it, it would no longer be Hyperkin's problem. Just like jailbreak firmware on the Kevtris FPGA machines, or when you install non-free stuff into a previously-pure Linux distribution. This seems like a workable compromise to me. 



#898 Atariboy OFFLINE  

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Posted Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:49 AM

They're doing an interesting project. Let's stop sharpening our pitchforks until there's reason to do so. The community's stance on following the rules for modern builds of Stella have been well voiced in this thread and surely heard.

 

Until we have confirmation that those calls have been ignored and violated, there is no problem here. Just an interesting project that I think many people had hoped they would see one day (Even if one has no intention of leaving original 2600 hardware behind, this has a neatness factor just by virtue of original cartridge support), but didn't really think would ever happen. 

 

I'm personally hoping for the best. I think the early interaction in this thread that they undertook and then the silence when people encouraged them to utilize a newer build of Stella as long as they followed the rules in doing so, is hopefully a positive sign. Perhaps they've gone back and reevaluated the software side of this project and implemented a more current built of Stella and are prepared to release their modifications per the licensing rules. 

 

Then again, the silence  can be interpreted in a much different way, especially in view of past history. Perhaps now is the time for Hyperkin to say something, assuming they've been lurking in here. 


Edited by Atariboy, Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:55 AM.


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Posted Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:14 AM

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Posted Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:22 PM

New picture from hyperkin FB.

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