Matej Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 (edited) What is state of Atari Jaguar FPGA? There are some firms making conversions to ASIC. So one-chip Jaguar will be possible. With Skunkboard or CF interface it will be amazing console for homebrew games. Also - "After Hasbro Interactive bought out Atari in the late 1990s, the patents to the Jaguar were released into the public domain, with the console being declared an open platform." Edited June 27, 2017 by Matej 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerosquare Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 What is state of Atari Jaguar FPGA? There's a project by Torlus based on the original files. As far as I remember, it basically works but it's more of a proof-of-concept thing, and the performance isn't comparable to a real Jaguar. There's also a "from scratch" project from SCPCD which runs most commercial games with better performance than a real Jaguar, and supports stuff like HDMI high-resolution graphic modes, but it isn't public and requires a high-end, expensive FPGA. I've not heard about any other projects. There are some firms making conversions to ASIC. Sure. Take a look at how much that costs, and get back to us 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gemintronic Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 If you're careful to select only games that use GPU in main I bet you can get away with a Raspberry Pi 3. Heck, Club Drive doesn't use Tom, Jerry or Dilbert at all! In all seriousness the project looks old/abandonded. At least if it's this one below. The FPGA is still hella expensive though. https://github.com/Torlus/JagNetlists 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Stratix II chip is only $200. Less than the cost of an i7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matej Posted June 27, 2017 Author Share Posted June 27, 2017 There's a project by Torlus based on the original files. As far as I remember, it basically works but it's more of a proof-of-concept thing, and the performance isn't comparable to a real Jaguar. There's also a "from scratch" project from SCPCD which runs most commercial games with better performance than a real Jaguar, and supports stuff like HDMI high-resolution graphic modes, but it isn't public and requires a high-end, expensive FPGA. I've not heard about any other projects. Sure. Take a look at how much that costs, and get back to us 35000USD for min. price. One chip will be 3,5USD... Kickstarter/Indiegogo+1000-10 000 Atari / Console fanatics... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+madman Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 35000USD for min. price. One chip will be 3,5USD... Kickstarter/Indiegogo+1000-10 000 Atari / Console fanatics... Someone tried that already... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerosquare Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 (edited) Stratix II chip is only $200. Less than the cost of an i7. You mean that for a bit less than the cost of a CPU that can power a high-end 2017 computer, I can emulate a gaming console from 1993? That's amazing! Where do I sign up? 35000USD for min. price. One chip will be 3,5USD... Kickstarter/Indiegogo+1000-10 000 Atari / Console fanatics... Go ahead then, find those 10,000 people and get them to preorder it. Good luck Edited June 27, 2017 by Zerosquare 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 You sign up at your local kickstarter. Everyone thinks those things are amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Go ahead then, find those 10,000 people and get them to preorder it. Good luck Maybe we can find the elusive market for a new Jaguar ProController while at it! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matej Posted June 28, 2017 Author Share Posted June 28, 2017 (edited) Do you remember TV games??? Maybe open FPGA core to asian tv games (8bit) manufacturers which will gives % from profits to FPGA author... Plus manufacture millions of cheap Jaguar clones. Edited June 28, 2017 by Matej Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matej Posted June 28, 2017 Author Share Posted June 28, 2017 (edited) Maybe we can find the elusive market for a new Jaguar ProController while at it! Or maybe put that FPGA core from scratch to be converted as ASIC chip + 64GB SSD FLASH chip and put it inside to a new Jaguar ProController.... With 1x HDMI 1x Powersupply USB (2,5A or more) / data USB PC port. So people will upload homebrew games to controler from PC. Edited June 28, 2017 by Matej 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerosquare Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Oooookaaaayyy. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Do you remember TV games??? Maybe open FPGA core to asian tv games (8bit) manufacturers which will gives % from profits to FPGA author... Plus manufacture millions of cheap Jaguar clones. One SMALL PROBLEM -- very few people liked the Jaguar when it was new, and even fewer think fondly of it 20 years later. Maybe the people bringing back Rainbow Brite could be persuaded there's a market for a Jaguar Flashback, but I doubt a mainstream engineer would. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaysWithWolves Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 AFAIK even the pre-eminent FPGA programmer, Kevtris/Kevin Horton, isn't looking at doing an FPGA core. This is the same guy who meticulously reproduces cores for even obscure systems with something like eight carts total. One SMALL PROBLEM -- very few people liked the Jaguar when it was new, and even fewer think fondly of it 20 years later. Maybe the people bringing back Rainbow Brite could be persuaded there's a market for a Jaguar Flashback, but I doubt a mainstream engineer would. I heard somewhere that Mr Lee (Li?) can do wonders in his state-of-the-art lab with onsite showers. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+madman Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Wow, the fumes have been working wonders around here the last month or so. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Loguidice Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 It's very easy to misinterpret Kickstarter numbers. 10,000 backers is not a realistic target for most projects, let alone a pricey FPGA product for a system that, as others have stated, was never particularly popular and has a reputation that's a punchline. I couldn't see more than a few hundred buyers (being generous here) for an FPGA-based Jaguar system, and even that might be a struggle if it didn't support other cores. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 It becomes different though if you build a more powerful MiST style system that could handle more powerful systems like the Jag, Saturn, etc. Then just got working cores for it. That is the key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenixdownita Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 No, the key is that no one so far has a 100% working MD core or SNES core (+ special chips), NG core, let alone a Jag core, Sat core or PS and N64 core. Not even sure some have a core at all aside the CPU (those usually are the first to come to life in some form). So given there's none of that selling fumes-ware is not an option, not even kickstarting them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+madman Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 It becomes different though if you build a more powerful MiST style system that could handle more powerful systems like the Jag, Saturn, etc. Then just got working cores for it. That is the key. Simple as that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matej Posted July 4, 2017 Author Share Posted July 4, 2017 OK you are right! So maybe JAGUAR 2 as FPGA will be interesting too! http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=387175 C64 people will reborn their C65 platform! So why not JAGUAR2... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerosquare Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 (edited) So your solution to the "it would be expensive and there are not enough people interested" problem is "let's make a console that's even more complex, and for which no games exist"? Edited July 4, 2017 by Zerosquare 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+madman Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 OK you are right! So maybe JAGUAR 2 as FPGA will be interesting too! http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=387175 C64 people will reborn their C65 platform! So why not JAGUAR2... 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigusschmuck Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 (edited) No, the key is that no one so far has a 100% working MD core or SNES core (+ special chips), NG core, let alone a Jag core, Sat core or PS and N64 core. Not even sure some have a core at all aside the CPU (those usually are the first to come to life in some form). So given there's none of that selling fumes-ware is not an option, not even kickstarting them. This. ^^ Also consider there hasn't been a inexpensive non emulation NES clone that is 100% compatible. Just doesn't sound doable yet. We don't even have a 100% Saturn or Jaguar emulator... Edited July 4, 2017 by bigusschmuck 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenixdownita Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 So your solution to the "it would be expensive and there are not enough people interested" problem is "let's make a console that's even more complex, and for which no games exist"?On the bright side we'll never know if it works or not as there's nothing to test it with. .... We don't even have a 100% Saturn or Jaguar emulator...You and your negative attitude (and those things called details) .... it's all about the dream it's all foggy there, it just works. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 Forget Jaguar or Jaguar 2 on FPGA. We just need to throw together an updated Jag3 with hardware bugs resolved and more cache memory for better texturing. It's easy. So easy that in 2017 we still don't have a fully accurate FPGA core for an Atari 8-bit computer system which came out in 1979. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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