DavidMil Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 I've downloaded the program twice from Atari Mania, and both times I find the same bug. I'm running it on my 800 and every time I go through a single red door on one of the lower levels the game glitches and I loose everything I am carrying. There is a large lava pool and no way to get across it in this room. However the rest of the level is still lite up. If any one would like I can post a couple of pictures of the room with the door and the room after it. I many try this on my 130 XE to see if the problem replicates there too. Anyone else having this problem? DavidMil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CharlieChaplin Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 Yep, pictures would help here. Besides, there are two versions of Montezuma, the older 48k version (approx. 37k filelength) and the newer 16k version. The older version has a title-screen and title-music, but it cannot be finished, since you cannot beat Montezuma; afaik this older version also has some other bugs and flaws... (thats why I personally prefer the newer 16k version)... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kr0tki Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 It's a known bug - they mention it on DigitPress. On the map, see the leftmost room at the 2nd level from the bottom. It exists in the Parker Bros. prototype cartridge as well as in the UK Databyte tape release, but in the US disk releases by Parker Bros. or BCI Software this room works correctly. There's also another difference - the cartridge and tape versions do not play any sound when the sword is used. In the disk versions, the sound plays correctly. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roydea6 Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Besides, there are two versions of Montezuma, the older 48k version (approx. 37k filelength) and the newer 16k version. The older version has a title-screen and title-music, but it cannot be finished, since you cannot beat Montezuma I like this version the best and consider it finished if you can get all the way to Montezuma. Then you only need to power off or press RESET key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidMil Posted July 4, 2017 Author Share Posted July 4, 2017 (edited) It's a known bug - they mention it on DigitPress. On the map, see the leftmost room at the 2nd level from the bottom. It exists in the Parker Bros. prototype cartridge as well as in the UK Databyte tape release, but in the US disk releases by Parker Bros. or BCI Software this room works correctly. There's also another difference - the cartridge and tape versions do not play any sound when the sword is used. In the disk versions, the sound plays correctly. Thanks so much for the info. The version I downloaded from Atari Mania doesn't have any intro, you just appear at the beginning screen. One of these days I may get around to taking a screen shot of every room and making a booklet out of it. Now that we are retired, my wife seems to think that I've become her personal servant. I had more time of my own when we both worked! (A word of warning to you guys thinking about retiring!) And remember: It is a scientific fact that married men live longer than single men. So guys, if you want a slow death... DavidMil Edited July 4, 2017 by DavidMil 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CharlieChaplin Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 Well, Montezuma version without intro = newer 16k version, look here: http://www.atarimania.com/game-atari-400-800-xl-xe-montezuma-s-revenge_6762.html Montezuma version with intro = older 48k version, look here: http://www.atarimania.com/game-atari-400-800-xl-xe-montezuma-s-revenge_14310.html 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kr0tki Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Thanks so much for the info. The version I downloaded from Atari Mania doesn't have any intro, you just appear at the beginning screen.Yes, you got the commercially-released version. To clear up any confusion, my answer also mentioned only various releases of the commercial version. The early version with intro is an unfinished prototype, this thread is quite specifically NOT about it. One of these days I may get around to taking a screen shot of every room and making a booklet out of it.Why? There already are full maps available at http://mapy.atari8.info- well, barring this one broken room, as the maps were probably based on a crack of the Databyte release. It is a scientific fact that married men live longer than single men. So guys, if you want a slow death...Well I tend to think dying slowly is somewhat better than being already dead, but to be frank, I have pretty limited experience when it comes to dying. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidMil Posted July 5, 2017 Author Share Posted July 5, 2017 Yes, you got the commercially-released version. To clear up any confusion, my answer also mentioned only various releases of the commercial version. The early version with intro is an unfinished prototype, this thread is quite specifically NOT about it. Why? There already are full maps available at http://mapy.atari8.info- well, barring this one broken room, as the maps were probably based on a crack of the Databyte release. Well I tend to think dying slowly is somewhat better than being already dead, but to be frank, I have pretty limited experience when it comes to dying. Thanks for the mapy.atari8.info site, I never knew it existed. I'll look around for some of my old favorite games there. Thanks, David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Well I tend to think dying slowly is somewhat better than being already dead, but to be frank, I have pretty limited experience when it comes to dying. Life, where trainers don't exist! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Larry Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Sorry to beat this dead horse once more... I bought the U.S. Parker Bros disk version at Toys"R"US in the 80's. I know it is a PB product and think it was advertised in the mags here at that time. According to above, this version can be finished? So there were 5 (common) versions? 1) Utopia disk version -- Europe? 2) Parker Bros. U.S. disk version 3) Prototype cartridge version 4) Released cartridge version 5) Cassette version? It appears that Montezuma is taking his revenge on me! -Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kr0tki Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) Totally forgot about this thread. I guess I was not clear enough the last time, so: There are 2 versions of Montezuma: 1. The unfinished CES demo by Robert Jaeger aka Utopia, with animated intro and all other bells & whistles, but lacking an ending. It was never published commercially. 2. The cut-down final version by Parker Bros. You can call it finishable, if you want 0 PB added level progression, so each level can be finished, but the 9th level repeats infinitely. The PB version exists in the following formats: - US disk release by PB, - US disk release by BCI, - EU disk release by Databyte, - EU tape release by Databyte, - prototype cartridge by PB, never published commercially. The Databyte tape and the PB proto cart contain the room/audio bug, while the PB and BCI disks don't. Edited October 9, 2017 by Kr0tki 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manterola Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) Which one is the cracked version with a title screen while loading? The title says something like cracked by Bruce , preliminary monty. That is the one I knew and enjoyed, from a copied cassette. Is there any difference wrt the no-utopia versions? Edited October 9, 2017 by manterola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Any way the Utopia version can be finished? Maybe just go to the next level after avoiding Montezuma for so long? Is there more than one level in that version? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari Nut Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Any way the Utopia version can be finished? Maybe just go to the next level after avoiding Montezuma for so long? Is there more than one level in that version? I think we should try to contact Robert Jaeger and see if he might be willing to add a quick end to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kr0tki Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Which one is the cracked version with a title screen while loading? The title says something like cracked by Bruce , preliminary monty.That's a crack of the commercial version by PB. Is there any difference wrt the no-utopia versions?As stated above, it is the "non-Utopia" version. Any way the Utopia version can be finished?Nope, as admitted by Jaeger himself. I think we should try to contact Robert Jaeger and see if he might be willing to add a quick end to it.He was asked about it when interviewed few years ago - he was not interested. Interview (in Polish) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I meant can anyone finish programming the game. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 There's also another difference - the cartridge and tape versions do not play any sound when the sword is used. In the disk versions, the sound plays correctly. I swear, I cannot seem to locate an ATR or XEX of this where the sword makes a sound when used. Could someone please help me out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kr0tki Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 The ATX's of PB and BCI releases are in Farb's "A8 preservation initiative" torrent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 He was asked about it when interviewed few years ago - he was not interested. Interview (in Polish) Hardly a surprise, a nigh on 40yr old program, there's no real impetus to bother with it...Still, its a shame... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farb Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Hopefully this page will be helpful for people to figure out which files they have and what the differences are: http://a8preservation.com/#/software/title/%2Fapi%2Ftitles%2F551 Note the CRC/MD5/SHA1 checksums for each dump (and that we still need to find and dump a Databyte disk version). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidMil Posted October 10, 2017 Author Share Posted October 10, 2017 Hardly a surprise, a nigh on 40yr old program, there's no real impetus to bother with it...Still, its a shame... I couldn't agree more with you; It is a shame, but I can't blame him either. Still, I am grateful for what he gave us! Who would have thought that a game written 40 years ago would still generate such interest? David 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMontezuma Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Did you know that Robert Jaeger was also involved in the development of the Android version of the game? As one of his beta testers I got from him a nice cup with a screenshot from Montezuma's Revenge. You can imagine how precious it is for me... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 The ATX's of PB and BCI releases are in Farb's "A8 preservation initiative" torrent. An ATX file is fantastic for using with Altirra but I'm hoping to find a copy of the Parker Brothers disk release that I can play on real hardware via my UNO Cart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariGeezer Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 An ATX file is fantastic for using with Altirra but I'm hoping to find a copy of the Parker Brothers disk release that I can play on real hardware via my UNO Cart. Take your pick: http://atarionline.pl/v01/index.php?ct=katalog&sub=M&tg=Montezuma%27s%20Revenge&PHPSESSID=8o81upprdeqrv1uu4cciledbv4#Montezuma%27s%20Revenge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 The Databyte tape and the PB proto cart contain the room/audio bug, while the PB and BCI disks don't. OK, I am a dope sometimes. As it turns out I did already have a copy of the Parker Brothers disk release in ATR format. It was tucked away in a sub-folder that I had all but forgotten about. It runs A-OK on the UNO Cart. Posting it here in case someone wants to check it against the ATX file. Montezuma's Revenge _ Parker Brothers.atr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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