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#26 Flojomojo OFFLINE  

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Posted Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:59 PM

Link works for me, takes me to the perks page. 

 

But point made, everyone should subscribe!



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Posted Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:19 PM

Link works for me, takes me to the perks page. 

 

But point made, everyone should subscribe!

 

Maybe your page is cached. I get this:

 

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#28 Flojomojo OFFLINE  

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Posted Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:22 PM

I think it's you. My link is still good even in another browser or in incognito mode. Seriously, supporting AtariAge is like a dollar a month and you get some cool perks. 

 

http://atariage.com/...e/subscriptions

 

But seriously, subscribe! :lolblue:



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Posted Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:35 PM

When the time comes when everyone is using ad blockers, you'll have to become a subscriber to every web site you want to use that has useful information. I can't afford that, so I'm glad that the average dumbass can't figure out how to block ads.

 

Belligerent Millennial Freectivist: "But I want everything to be free AND NO ADS!!!!!!!!! GIMME, GIMME, GIMME, GIMME!!!!!!!!"

 

(Freectivist = free activist, sounds like freak-tivist when spoken.)



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Posted Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:48 PM

Alternatively, those people go to low-information places like Facebook and Twitter for their news. Those places are encrusted with advertising too, and it's often tricky to tell fact from fiction. Google AMP also wants a piece of that. I'll bet someone with more savvy than us has spilled much think-piece ink on Medium worrying about the future state of the web. 

 

There seem to be more people running adblockers than I would have thought. At least according to those anti-adblocking dude: https://pagefair.com.../adblockreport/

 

No need to pick on millennials. You were young once. They'll grow out of it. Lots of older people have stupid opinions, too!

 

You're a subscriber, I'm a subscriber, VectorGamer is a subscriber. We're all so damn cool! Be like us. 



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Posted Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:47 PM

No need to pick on millennials. You were young once. They'll grow out of it. Lots of older people have stupid opinions, too!


I'm not picking on all Millennials, just the ones who are belligerent freectivists. There a many crusty old bastards that visit AtariAge who seem to hate ads with a passion and appear to think that everything on the Internet should be free and free of ads. If the Internet had no ads, web site owners would have to beg for money like public television or they'd have to charge a membership fee. I think a huge begging banner at the top of every page is even more annoying than ads, so just have some tasteful ads and be done with it.
 

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Posted Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:57 PM

I think it's you. My link is still good even in another browser or in incognito mode.

 

Tried IE and getting the same error. The page is being generated by AtariAge. I'll give Al a heads up.



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Posted Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:02 PM

What I miss is the Internet before the Web. And especially before eternal September.



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Posted Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:22 PM

People talk about this.. but honestly I'm so aesthetically challenged, I couldn't much tell a difference from a 00's page to a current page (aside from the very obvious).

 

I mean even a page from the 90's still looks completely acceptable to me. My summary would be it's not fancy, but heck it's fine. :P



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Posted Thu Aug 31, 2017 2:40 AM

I did my website back in the day when I had 20MB of hosting to play with on Demon and very limited skills when it comes to HTML (it was all done in a text editor...). So by nature my site was VERY minimalist. I've just kept that mentality and never bothered to learn any further than that even though I think I've now got a stupid amount of space and all sorts of those web design stuff available to me with the current hosting.


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#36 Zap! OFFLINE  

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Posted Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:37 AM

What I miss is the Internet before the Web. And especially before eternal September.

 

Agreed, I miss my GEnie and BBS days.



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Posted Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:19 AM

Agreed, I miss my GEnie and BBS days.

 

Tying up a phone line, paying by the minute, tethered to the wall ...

 

I remember those access prices. Crikey!

 

The initial price for connection, at both 300 bits per second and the then-high-speed 1200 bits per second, was $5–6 per hour during "non-prime-time" hours (evenings and weekends) and $36 an hour (to discourage daytime use) otherwise, later adjusted to $6 per hour and $18 per hour, respectively. A speed of 2400 bit/s was also available at a premium. Later, GEnie developed the Star*Services package, soon renamed Genie*Basic after Prodigy threatened a trademark lawsuit over the use of the word "Star". It offered a set of "unlimited use" features for $4.95/month. Other services cost extra, mirroring the tiered service model popular at the time.



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Posted Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:57 AM

 

Tying up a phone line, paying by the minute, tethered to the wall ...

 

I remember those access prices. Crikey!

 

 

The Prodigy service used to have different rates for various areas of the service. If memory serves, areas like bulletin boards and email were considered "Plus" service and you were charged per minute usage (you got x amount of usage per month - if you went over that you were charged extra). People used to post that they were charged several hundred dollars for one month of Prodigy service. That was nuts.

 

There were tools you could use to reduce time spent in plus areas. They had an email manager and bulletin board manager program where it would connect to Prodigy and download email and bulletin board posts you subscribed to allowing you to read and compose new messages offline. Then you could reconnect to Prodigy and it would upload email and bulletin board responses.

 

You had to pay extra for the email and bulletin board manager software obviously.

 

Another "Plus" feature was chat. When they rolled that out people would just spend hours on chat and wind up paying hundreds of dollars per month.

 

Prodigy were the kings of vaporware at the time. There used to be articles in PC magazines about "exciting new features" and improved interface for the service that never happened.



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Posted Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:02 AM

I miss watching porn and having the postage stamp-sized window (buffering) stop to (buffering) 'buffer' every (buffering) thirty (buffering) seconds.



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Posted Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:11 AM

 

Tying up a phone line, paying by the minute, tethered to the wall ...

 

I remember those access prices. Crikey!

 

 

$6/hr off peak for GEnie, and that was the CHEAP one! 



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Posted Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:19 AM

I miss watching porn and having the postage stamp-sized window (buffering) stop to (buffering) 'buffer' every (buffering) thirty (buffering) seconds.

 

Yes that was about right for the size of video over dial-up. I remember Real Player was the dominant platform at the time for streaming audio and video. It was a trial and error process messing with the player settings so that you could get a stream that wasn't buffering all the time. It was neat to listen to a 28-Kbps stream of a radio station on the other side of the country.

 

I remember back around the turn of the century deploying Cisco IPTV that would deliver a multicast over a 16-Mbps token ring network at 512-Kbps. Believe it or not at the time it was a HQ stream and much larger than the postage stamp sized window.



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Posted Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:23 AM

I remember paying more per hour of access to CompuServe than I was making at the time. I think I was making $5/hour and it was $6/hour. Something like that. This was around 1990, when I was in college. Fortunately, they had a special deal for the CB Simulator (chat room), which is where I was spending most of my time (Channel 14 represent!). It was something like $100/month for unlimited CB Simulator usage.

 

Depending on where you were, you could tack on long-distance charges and/or a fee to a third-party service you'd dial into to get to CompuServe if they didn't have a bank of modems in your area.

 

The good old days, when only the well-off could be online. Kept the riff-raff out!  :P

 

Later on, I migrated to GEnie, then to Delphi ($20/month with free access to the Internet, including Gopher and WAIS!).

 

Throughout college and for several years after, I was also running a WWIVNet BBS. All the ANSI art on it was made by my then-future wife, using TheDraw.

 

Good times.



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Posted Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:27 AM

 

Yes that was about right for the size of video over dial-up. I remember Real Player was the dominant platform at the time for streaming audio and video. It was a trial and error process messing with the player settings so that you could get a stream that wasn't buffering all the time. It was neat to listen to a 28-Kbps stream of a radio station on the other side of the country.

 

I remember back around the turn of the century deploying Cisco IPTV that would deliver a multicast over a 16-Mbps token ring network at 512-Kbps. Believe it or not at the time it was a HQ stream and much larger than the postage stamp sized window.

 

I miss those 'online radio stations', I wonder if any of 'em are still around?  I thought the selection was amazing at the time.  



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Posted Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:51 AM

To think those charges back then was likely because there was no constant ad badgering, malware, and all that other pop in under and over crap going on.  Now by just using facebook or any of it we're selling ourselves for free, our identities to these scumbags who pound and hound us relentlessly owning our identity itself.  To think if we all paid like another $15~/mo these days into a fund given the total people online at anytime we could vanish the ads and be like the mid/early 90s web all over again without the badgering.



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Posted Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:18 PM

I miss the magic of randomly getting a hi-speed connection at 56K.



#46 Flojomojo OFFLINE  

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Posted Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:51 PM

 
I miss those 'online radio stations', I wonder if any of 'em are still around?  I thought the selection was amazing at the time.  

Ill bet that many of them are. You can find them in IHeartRadio and iTunes as well as on their own pages. I still listen to local NPR stations from all over the place in the dedicated app.

I would think shoutcast (or something similar) is still around of you wanted to roll your own.

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Posted Fri Sep 1, 2017 9:02 PM

 

Tying up a phone line, paying by the minute, tethered to the wall ...

 

I remember those access prices. Crikey!

 

 

No, that didn't go into effect until the middle of 1993 on GEnie. Before then, you could log on and go on message boards for hours per day with some sort of flat-rate. Here's what I wrote about it in December, 1996, while it was still fresh in my memory. Very sorry that's it's all one paragraph and hard to read, not sure what I was thinking lol.

 

http://www.knightsre.../computing.html


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#48 Flojomojo OFFLINE  

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Posted Fri Sep 1, 2017 9:10 PM

The cyan text on textured brown background is worse, thank goodness for reading mode on my phone. :lolblue:

You were still tying up a phone line, right? Or did you have a dedicated connection?

We often forget how we take voice calls, voice mail, callerID and even email for granted nowadays. Back then youd have to block access to one to get the other.

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Posted Fri Sep 1, 2017 9:24 PM

The cyan text on textured brown background is worse, thank goodness for reading mode on my phone. :lolblue:

You were still tying up a phone line, right? Or did you have a dedicated connection?

The often forget how we take voice calls, voice mail, callerID and even email for granted nowadays. Back then youd have to lock access to one to get the other.

 

Maybe one day I'll edit it into paragraphs with better colors, but part of me wants to keep it like that, it's more nostalgic. :D Plus that's how I originally wrote it. And that background is a computer chip.

 

I tied up the phone line, but it was only my parents and myself in the house back in 1993. My father never liked to use the phone, maybe once a month tops, and his conversations lasted under 10 seconds. Old school Italian that thought men didn't talk on the phone lol. My mom only really talked to my sister, who was on her own and older than me. My mom yelled at me to get off a lot, but when she finished her phone call, I used it again. It never bothered me too much.


Edited by Zap!, Fri Sep 1, 2017 9:24 PM.


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Posted Sat Sep 2, 2017 12:06 AM

Speaking of colors on web sites, I have a color finder tool on this page to help web site owners find text and background colors that might look good together:

 

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