emkay Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Watching this demo from the 2600 system, made me asking myself, how could it be , that a demo is more impressive than most 8bit demos? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marius Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Lol this is going to be the next flamewar topic. The 2600 demo is great yes. Especially when you look at the specs of the hardware. But come on.... The library of a8 demos is stunning. I know hundreds of great demos and intros. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Thag Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Yeah, I've seen plenty of 8-bit demos that put this to shame. Great effort on the VCS though! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Level42 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 (edited) So ........make something better .... Edited September 12, 2017 by Level42 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marius Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 In a split second I think of: Boogie nights Joyride Silly venture invitro 2013 Raster girls Beer atari (can not recall exact title) Sweet Illusions Overmind Tripple threat Bobsland Dwade Reditus Numen HTT little color demo Near Gene Cyber punk C-drug Silly things And much much more. I seriously find a lot of these demos very great. Don't see the 2600 do that and most ideas are original too. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 That's a pretty amazing 2600 demo, but two things come to mind: 1. Size of the community. The number of eyes on your system definitely affects the amount of stuff written for it. I think the C64 gets 10 demos for every one written on the A8. 2. Focus on what your hardware is good at. So many A8 demos try to do some rendition of things being done elsewhere. The best demos exploit some feature of the hardware to show something that defies expectations and would normally require a lot more resources. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted September 12, 2017 Author Share Posted September 12, 2017 In a split second I think of: Not much yet, but let's go to some details Boogie nights Nice graphics, superb fx, but the tune fits in no way. Joyride Great for the age, cool Trackloader, but no floating in the demo, tunes were partial out of tune. Silly venture invitro 2013 What exactly do you like in there? Raster girls Beer atari (can not recall exact title) OKish Sweet Illusions OK for the age... Overmind Very good demo. Great for the age... Tripple threat Marvelous graphics and FX, also good transitions Bobslanderm... no ? Dwade ? never heared of Reditus Great 3D ... the tune destroys it all. NumenOfcourse great, the tunes were at least "originals" HTT little color demo hmm.. Near Ofcourse very very very great graphics and FX. Gene Marvellous gfx and fx, but a very good example of what is "no music" , while that little 2600 demo blows all of those demo tunes of the A8 ... Cyber punk Could be outrageous, if the music wasn't destroying it all. C-drug Some inspired stuff Silly things Also some exceptional stuff. And much much more. I seriously find a lot of these demos very great. Don't see the 2600 do that and most ideas are original too. But it's all beaten by inspiration of a graphical "show" and really fitting music, even by the mimimalistic limits of that machine. Show me ONE demo where the graphics and sound fit together on the A8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted September 12, 2017 Author Share Posted September 12, 2017 The most "inspired" demos , I find in Arsantica Arsantica 2 Arsantica 3 In that order 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZylonBane Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 2. Focus on what your hardware is good at. So many A8 demos try to do some rendition of things being done elsewhere. The best demos exploit some feature of the hardware to show something that defies expectations and would normally require a lot more resources. The Chiphead demo in the first post is actually a demake of . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted September 12, 2017 Author Share Posted September 12, 2017 The Chiphead demo in the first post is actually a demake of Ziphead. Even more impressive... what they transported to the small 2600 ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 What's uninspiring is to hear you rag on A8 coders constantly. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Watching this demo from the 2600 system, made me asking myself, how could it be , that a demo is more impressive than most 8bit demos? Well, maybe you should move over to the 2600 camp for a few years then, eh? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwilove Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 It was a good demo for the 2600 - but it could be better... 4-bit? blocky graphics are hard to work with - but there could be some nice effects possible even with this limitation. I do have in mind a few ideas for a Never the Same Demo Twice - kind of demo but don't know of a coder willing to work on one? I like to parody some classic 8-bit games in the process - but think it's a lot of work to bring it to completion. (A hint of this was in AtariBlast!) Also I've been working on some text material - that could be used in some demo. It's about fundamental truth(s) in the universe that ought to be in the public domain - but isn't. ie. present in popular songs and present in our storytelling... Shakespeare should have covered most of it - though I'm not versed in what Shakespeare wrote, etc. It's actually not a very long message in it's short version. Harvey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrathchild Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 The day the A8 stops inspiring me will be a sad day indeed! Shanti77's Bosconian is a great showcase of what can be done well.slx has been inspired to give us more fun from Shamus.Those new bits of hardware being worked upon and those already out. By "inspiring" did you mean to existing fans? consumers? or what I'd like to think it pointed to... That is, something that should inspire outside developers to take a peek at what is being done and make them want to hop on-board. For example, any talented indie house teams that have just happen (but very unlikely) to have a bit of spare time to see what they can make this platform do! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+wood_jl Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Impressive 2600 demo! Better than A-8 computer? Says who???? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 bologna.jpg Well, maybe you should move over to the 2600 camp for a few years then, eh? Yeah - go over to the 2600 forum for a few years and keep telling them how out of tune TIA is. Perhaps that's why you are so tone deaf (Shitty Flute tone deaf levels here). You love the TIA so much that you think PoKey's enhanced resolution is out of key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 The day the A8 stops inspiring me will be a sad day indeed! Shanti77's Bosconian is a great showcase of what can be done well. slx has been inspired to give us more fun from Shamus. Those new bits of hardware being worked upon and those already out. By "inspiring" did you mean to existing fans? consumers? or what I'd like to think it pointed to... That is, something that should inspire outside developers to take a peek at what is being done and make them want to hop on-board. For example, any talented indie house teams that have just happen (but very unlikely) to have a bit of spare time to see what they can make this platform do! Well, when Bosconian comes out, he'll bitch about the title music being out of tune, not SID like. Perhaps we could have used Graphics 7 or narrow mode for more cycles. Always offering up what could have, should have been done. NEVER once offering up anything he does. I weld, I work on cars. I am not great at it, but I am better than many. I won't take people talking shit about my work if they don't do it themselves. Same with the code I write everyday to pay for a house. I think he really should think his position and STOP incessantly putting down other work, while contributing nothing but out of tune, out of key ear raping rip offs of other people's stuff. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+mytek Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Well, when Bosconian comes out, he'll bitch about the title music being out of tune, not SID like. Perhaps we could have used Graphics 7 or narrow mode for more cycles. Always offering up what could have, should have been done. NEVER once offering up anything he does. I weld, I work on cars. I am not great at it, but I am better than many. I won't take people talking shit about my work if they don't do it themselves. Same with the code I write everyday to pay for a house. I think he really should think his position and STOP incessantly putting down other work, while contributing nothing but out of tune, out of key ear raping rip offs of other people's stuff. - Michael 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZylonBane Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Impressive 2600 demo! Better than A-8 computer? Says who???? Our resident crazy person. Well... one of our resident crazy people. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted September 13, 2017 Author Share Posted September 13, 2017 I weld, I work on cars. I am not great at it, but I am better than many. I won't take people talking shit about my work if they don't do it themselves. Same with the code I write everyday to pay for a house. I think he really should think his position and STOP incessantly putting down other work, while contributing nothing but out of tune, out of key ear raping rip offs of other people's stuff. You know the difference between action and reaction? Then you may get the point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted September 13, 2017 Author Share Posted September 13, 2017 The day the A8 stops inspiring me will be a sad day indeed! Depends on what it inspires you. Your game conversion look always great, indeed. Shanti77's Bosconian is a great showcase of what can be done well. slx has been inspired to give us more fun from Shamus. Both game adaptions. Those new bits of hardware being worked upon and those already out. What hardware exactly. If you see it from a neutral point, CPU , graphics , or sound upgrades define the A8 as something that has to be replaced. RAM & ROM extensions, HDD Interfaces were great stuff. By "inspiring" did you mean to existing fans? consumers? or what I'd like to think it pointed to... That is, something that should inspire outside developers to take a peek at what is being done and make them want to hop on-board. For example, any talented indie house teams that have just happen (but very unlikely) to have a bit of spare time to see what they can make this platform do! If you have a look at the 2600 demo, it transports the "original demo" to the low specs of the 2600. It's like you're playing a game. The game may look and sound worse, but the gameplay is kept very well. Moon Patrol for example. Similar to demos. Hm.... thinking of it, CONTROL is one Demo that keeps the original best on the A8... Using the A8's features to show what it can do, is nice. To show what it could be, was even nicer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marius Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Watching this demo from the 2600 system, made me asking myself, how could it be , that a demo is more impressive than most 8bit demos? Today I reconsidered my answer. I think the problem with your question is, that you state it as a fact. You write: How could it be, that a demo IS more impressive.... There is something wrong with that question. In my opinion you should have asked: How could it be, that I find this/a demo more impressive. Then it is all about opinion, and thousands answers are possible. One of those answers can be: since you are aware of the limitations of the 2600, and the lack of many demos ( I know there are more demos) it gives you probably the WOW effect. I found the 2600 demo you posted nice, and great to see on 2600, but that was that. I wouldn't trade my a8 demo collection for that. See: it is a matter of opinion. OH and that dwade demo I wrote about is actually called 2de ... I love it. The music and especially the first part of the demo: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZylonBane Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Hm.... thinking of it, CONTROL is one Demo that keeps the original best on the A8... Control is a straight remake of an Amiga demo. And GTIA 3D polygons are my least-favorite things in Atari demos. They're always slow and blocky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted September 13, 2017 Author Share Posted September 13, 2017 (edited) There is something wrong with that question. In my opinion you should have asked: How could it be, that I find this/a demo more impressive. Then it is all about opinion, and thousands answers are possible. So it's my opinion when suggesting to put a steering wheel into a car for better controls, and while adding that , the car should move to the left, when steering to the left , steering to the right should also do the expected. ? Brakes should work properly aswell. Actually, I'd still propose that, because other people usually expect it that way. OH and that dwade demo I wrote about is actually called 2de ... OK. Tnx Edited September 13, 2017 by emkay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted September 13, 2017 Author Share Posted September 13, 2017 Control is a straight remake of an Amiga demo. Greetings to the enlightened And GTIA 3D polygons are my least-favorite things in Atari demos. They're always slow and blocky. That'S also a part of the Thread. Having the "3D calculations" is just some programmer's pr0n . Doing the stuff with some added shortcuts, to have it more fluent, would be inspired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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