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#26 therealbountybob OFFLINE  

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Posted Sun Oct 1, 2017 6:48 AM

Was going along nicely and then accidentally pressed reset - not a great one for play on the XE :mad:

 

2nd go picked all dungeon 2s and got through to level 6. Has some real panics where I had to hit option and hope I found a spell - hint might be worth dropping or re-using picked up items to keep the option list short. Those magic arrows are good and I somehow on level 6 jumped up a lot of points, might have been a strength stone or something I collected. 14,715 Level 6 has Ghosts to contend with :-o

 

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Posted Sun Oct 1, 2017 2:59 PM

Round 18 poll OPEN

 

15,180 It was going well tonight, down to level 6 armed with a 2 handed sword and a Gauntlet but those turbo rats got me and I lost loads of stuff then seemed to get killed by something too soon :? Not sure if disarm works on a Rabid Rat but it was all I had left, luckily managed to get one stuck on a wall and escape!



#28 slx OFFLINE  

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Posted Mon Oct 2, 2017 11:20 AM

Apshai 6050.png

6050 points.

 

I definitely remember playing this as a teenager (the age when you have endless time at your disposal without valueing that fact). Very uneven scoring, went from 1000-something to 4000ish in a short while, then progress got slower again.

 

I wish I could see my health somewhere on the main screen. 

 

The following little routine running in immediate VBI (which is not used by the game) displays one asterisk per health point for health 19 or below on the lowest line of the screen unless the game prints a status message there. At the time I can only get it to run in an emulator as the game jumps to WARMSV and resets the VBI routine after loading and I have not had the time to patch the game code itself yet (Shamus + needs to be done!).

 

Health is stored in $C4, the third line below the dungeon ("status line") is fixed at $3C28. The routine checks whether the first byte of the status line is empty and then if health is below 20. If both conditions are met, it stores one asterisk per health point into the status line screen ram and exits.

 

Apshai Health Display.jpeg

 

Apshai Health.png

With health 20 or more, there is no display at all, it only kicks in when health drops below 20.

 

A patched version of the game is included but it needs $222/223 set to 0C 06 after initialization to work. 

(In Altirra hit F8 for the Debugger and then E 0600 0C 06 <ENTER> and then F8 again.)

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Edited by slx, Tue Oct 3, 2017 12:43 AM.


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Posted Wed Oct 4, 2017 2:29 PM

:thumbsup:  Would be nice to get that health display working automatically - another game to disassemble!!

 

Made it to level 7 tonight 16,805 - my  main trouble is you get something tough and fast at you, and unless you have spells that's about it. Also I think poisoning is getting me (or possibly ghosts that I am not aware) of as I seem to just get killed without any warning.  I had Magic Armour/Wand and all sorts of stuff.

 

Fairly relaxing plodding around game, I've enjoyed playing it :)


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Posted Thu Oct 5, 2017 3:12 AM

latest tables

Gateway to Apshai
  1st   therealbountybob          16,805  12pts
  2nd   ballyalley                10,715  11pts
  3rd   McKong                     7,625  10pts
  4th   carlsson                   7,570  9pts
  5th   slx                        6,050  8pts
  6th   Deteacher                  5,760  7pts
  7th   RedThunder                 1,855  6pts
  8th   jblenkle                   1,635  5pts

 

Round 18 poll OPEN



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Posted Thu Oct 5, 2017 3:30 PM

:thumbsup:  Would be nice to get that health display working automatically - another game to disassemble!!

 

 

Presto!

 

It's not very nice looking but it works. Found the original byte to decimal number conversion routine and used that instead of the stars display.

 

Apshai Health 2.png

 

Health is now displayed all the time, except when a message is present on this line. It is refreshed every 25 frames on both PAL and NTSC systems. 

 

And here's the code for those who are interested:

; Gateway to Apshai Health Display
; slx, 2017
;
SETVBV		equ $E45C
SYSVBV		equ $E45F

			org $3f00
			ins "Gateway to Apshai.bin"

            org $600
            
STARTPATCH	LDA #$20
			STA $4232
			LDA <INSTALLVBI
			STA $4233
			LDA >INSTALLVBI
			STA $4234
			JMP $3F06

INSTALLVBI	LDY <HEALTHDISPLAY
			LDX >HEALTHDISPLAY
			LDA #$06
			JSR	SETVBV

LOOP		LDA #$11
			STA $026F
			RTS
			


			
HEALTHDISPLAY
			DEC COUNTER
			BEQ DISPLAY 
EXIT		JMP SYSVBV
DISPLAY		LDA #25
			STA COUNTER
			LDA $3C28
			BNE EXIT
			LDA $F8
			PHA
			LDA $F9
			PHA
			LDA #$29
			STA $F8
			LDA #$3C
			STA $F9
			LDA #40
			STA $3C29
			LDA #26
			STA $3C2A
			LDA $C4
			LDY #3
			JSR $847C
			PLA 
			STA $F9
			PLA 
			STA $F8
			JMP SYSVBV

COUNTER		.BY 00
			
			run STARTPATCH

							 

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Edited by slx, Thu Oct 5, 2017 3:41 PM.


#32 slx OFFLINE  

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Posted Thu Oct 5, 2017 3:53 PM

Tried another round before bedtime. Still nice to play, although the constant fiddling with the control keys is tedious. This would benefit a lot from a multi-button joystick (like a Sega pad). Fighting is not very smooth either, I find I have to constantly move back and forth to attack and then retreat. Any better tactics?



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Posted Fri Oct 6, 2017 11:43 AM

Tried another round before bedtime. Still nice to play, although the constant fiddling with the control keys is tedious. This would benefit a lot from a multi-button joystick (like a Sega pad). Fighting is not very smooth either, I find I have to constantly move back and forth to attack and then retreat. Any better tactics?

Thanks for patching this with the health display, will try it out tomorrow :thumbsup:

I've been running (slowly) away and turning and swiping them, with arrows getting some distance first. For the ghosts and fast movers just hacking and hoping I get them before they get me!



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Posted Fri Oct 6, 2017 2:36 PM

Gateway to Apshai - 14175 pts

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This took me almost 30 mins to reach, for the record. I'm using the unpatched version, so death may come suddenly.



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Posted Sun Oct 8, 2017 3:34 PM

Thanks for playing guys, I won the round with carlsson taking 2nd place :thumbsup: Special thanks to slx for patching the game to show the health on the main screen (see post #31 above) and a 5pt bonus for your efforts :grin: Gateway to Apshai is a nice game, not an RPG by any means but somewhere inbetween that and an arcade game. I suspect the instantish deaths might make it less fun than it could be but I will play it more from time to time :)
 


final tables

Gateway to Apshai
  1st   therealbountybob          16,805  12pts
  2nd   carlsson                  14,175  11pts

  3rd   ballyalley                10,715  10pts
  4th   McKong                     7,625  9pts
  5th   slx                        6,050  8pts
  6th   Deteacher                  5,760  7pts
  7th   RedThunder                 1,855  6pts
  8th   jblenkle                   1,635  5pts



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My favorite version was the colecovision. You don't have blast spell scrolls so i guess you can't blast through walls (never played c64 version or atari so i just don't know this spell). Loved Kroah's decompilation of the game and the map threads for dunjonquest games).

Yep at start of colecovision you choose dungeon 1-99. No random so you could map them i suppose (lord know i tried in the 80s, 90s and early 2000). Mostly i recorded on a list items, traps, monsters. I never explored every dungeon.

When your 99 timer runs out off to level 2. Again you can choose 1-99. Rinse and repeat until you hit level 8. From here (if you live) you can eventually play each of the dungeons as when time runs out you simple get put to the menus and choose 1-99 again. No gate found (though exploration is a mega pain with death traps, curse traps, and damn poison needles.

I had found a dungeon where i could load up on death and stun spells. There was a dungeon you could finish where each of the treasures that are trapped had non-debilitating traps. Some of the monsters on this path were annoying at first but if done right you could get all three stats to go up by one before the timer runs out.

It took days (and a very hot power pack) but i eventually had a gut with 99 in each stat. I could kill even living statues. A stun spell cast with 99 int lasts forever. Mobs are frozen and it trumps paralyse or stone spell since those spells only affect monsters you are in the same room in. Stun affects the whole dungeon.

I don't know if luck lessens damage from monsters but seemed like with solid magic armour+ nothing could hardly dent me. Even with a dagger you could kill about anything. So end game guy has only to worry about traps. You just load up on disarm i suppose (forgot the dungeon #).

Score on colecovision? It scews up after a time showing symbols. Still even with a player that powerful i either screwed up or the game got too hot and froze. A little trick i learned was toggling the on/off switch to toggle the gfx to blocks. Once it changed the game a bit and my block could move faster than warrior, wizard, or mamba.

Pity no ending and i hear the key graphic was never used. No gate graphic. Thinking on it... The gateway to the temple of apshai seems harder than the temple itself.

All those dragons, living statues, vampires, blinking bats, warriors, wizards, super ghouls (ad compared to regular ghouls on lvl 3), and more. In fact a lot of humans in there unless they are antman warriors, lackeys, priest, etc.

Pretty huge too if 99 dungeons x 8 levels x (60+ rooms each). Sheesh.

Hated the time limit and no way to climb up to previous levels. Could use a remake.




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