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#1 Major_Tom_coming_home OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat Sep 30, 2017 7:46 PM

I recently picked up a IIc (my first vintage Apple system) and have been doing a bit of research on some of the slightly more recent models of Apple computers, to figure out whether or not I wanted to get into them or not. It seems like Apple's product lines from the late 1980s and into the 1990s were convoluted to say the least, with the Apple II family and Macintosh family running concurrently into the 1990s. I was wondering how the game libraries of the GS and Macintosh (Quadra, LC, etc.) compare to each other  as far as quality and quantity. I'm thinking most games available for Macintosh circa 1990 were probably PC ports since Dos/,Wintel then had a larger market share. On the other hand, I would guess that GS games would tend to be more exclusive and numerous considering the popularity of the Apple II line at the time. Thanks for any insights!



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Posted Sun Oct 1, 2017 7:01 PM

The IIgs wasn't suited too well to games. Underpowered compared to the ST and Amiga, so developers went there instead.

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Posted Mon Oct 2, 2017 10:12 AM

I recently picked up a IIc (my first vintage Apple system) and have been doing a bit of research on some of the slightly more recent models of Apple computers, to figure out whether or not I wanted to get into them or not. It seems like Apple's product lines from the late 1980s and into the 1990s were convoluted to say the least, with the Apple II family and Macintosh family running concurrently into the 1990s. I was wondering how the game libraries of the GS and Macintosh (Quadra, LC, etc.) compare to each other  as far as quality and quantity. I'm thinking most games available for Macintosh circa 1990 were probably PC ports since Dos/,Wintel then had a larger market share. On the other hand, I would guess that GS games would tend to be more exclusive and numerous considering the popularity of the Apple II line at the time. Thanks for any insights!


I don't recall the GS being as popular as the IIe or IIc. A lot of games on the IIgs were ports of Amiga and Atari ST games since the machine had similar graphics capabilities. However, it didn't have the CPU horsepower, so my understanding is these games didn't run very well.

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Posted Mon Oct 2, 2017 10:38 AM

The IIgs wasn't suited too well to games. Underpowered compared to the ST and Amiga, so developers went there instead.

 

Compared to the Macintosh, though? There's really no reason to have gotten a Mac over the IIgs IMO. The IIgs was cheaper (even after separate purchase of a monitor and/or drives), had RGB color video, a better keyboard, expandability, II+/IIe compatibility, a GUI OS that was essentially the same as the Mac's (and which was one of the Mac's main selling points), and plays a hell of a game of Arkanoid.

Can't really speak to the Atari ST or Amiga, but compared the Mac, it ain't even close.



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Posted Mon Oct 2, 2017 10:43 AM

Later color macs though, as long as you don't get a road apple model with a slow coy is like playing a more plush pc version of a game

#6 Keatah OFFLINE  

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Posted Mon Oct 2, 2017 12:01 PM

I don't believe the IIgs side of the IIgs ever really had the industry support like the Macs did. Industry support can often make less capable or lesser quality hardware become #1. There are tons of examples.

 

Then the MHz race began.

 


Edited by Keatah, Mon Oct 2, 2017 12:03 PM.


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Posted Mon Oct 2, 2017 1:41 PM

Imagine if the IIGS came as an all-in-one like the Mac Color Classic.

 

There was still the ability for a memory or accelerator upgrade.  And it would have built in SCSI for cd's and hard drives and an ethernet port for internet connection.



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Posted Mon Oct 2, 2017 8:08 PM

I don't believe the IIgs side of the IIgs ever really had the industry support like the Macs did. Industry support can often make less capable or lesser quality hardware become #1. There are tons of examples.

 

Then the MHz race began.

 

 

The IIgs didn't really even have full apple support, Jobs wanted to move to anything else (lisa / than mac). The only real buyers of IIgs were schools.

From what I've read, the some engineers at apple hated the mac because the IIgs was twice the machine the 128K/512K mac was.

But revamping hardware that was reaching 10+ years old isn't a money maker.  The build quality of the first tens years of mac isn't near as well made as the apple II's.

Just moving touching an old mac will break random bits off.icon_eek.gif


Edited by H454, Mon Oct 2, 2017 8:08 PM.


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Posted Mon Oct 9, 2017 1:18 PM

I was in kind of a similar boat, and ended up getting a B&W Mac.  The real hardware is a bigger part of the experience, not having had either one growing up.  The ][GS has some good games and it's a fine machine (this coming from someone who had an Amiga back then) but for me using an emulator is "good enough."  There are good B&W mac emulators, but the hardware itself is so unique with the 9" screen, it's a bigger part of the experience.  Just my 2c.  In terms of the actual games, I think the B&W mac doesn't have a huge library, but there's some unique stuff as developers figured out how to work with the machine. The ][gs game library is much closer to other similar machines of the era.



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Posted Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:12 PM

Since you have a //c, you have access to a much bigger library of games than either the IIgs-exclusive library, or what was around for the Mac classic.  Basically, as far as classic Apple computers go, you already have the best games machine.  If you're itching to get something else, grab a C64 or Amiga if you don't already have them.



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Posted Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:42 AM

The Mac was never a good game machine at all. Ever. Still isn't. Just doesn't have the developer support and never did. It did have some good games, just not nearly as many as other machines, or really many marquee games at all.

 

The IIGS had much better support at the time it was available. The IIGS was, in general, a far better machine than the Macs on sale at the same time, in every way except raw CPU speed. Of course the Mac superseded it in power and features eventually, but never in game support.

 

That's not to say early Macs aren't interesting in other ways. But if you're thinking of getting one just for games... my advice is don't. There are many better classic gaming computers, including the IIGS.

 

The one exception *may be* a Mac that supports the Apple IIe card, plus said card. I've been wanting to try that combo for a while and it may give you a best of both worlds scenario. But I haven't gotten my hands on that setup yet, so I can't vouch for it.

 

I have a IIc and a IIGS and wouldn't trade either of them for anything. But then, I grew up with the Apple II. (My IIc is one that I've owned since 1985.) I'm not sure what I'd do if I was coming in cold without any prior experience, especially if I'd just bought an Apple IIc. There's probably not enough on the IIGS to justify having both if you're not like me and just keeping your IIc for sentimental reasons. Most IIGS-specific games did appear on the ST and Amiga and are better on those machines. So, since you have a IIc already, I'd probably get an Amiga as your second computer.



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Posted Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:14 PM

The IIGS game lineup is nothing compared to the likes of the competitors at the time (Amiga, ST) but what it did have makes it still so sought after today. I have an Amiga and can play any game the IIGS has and then some, but there is a different "feel" to the games on the IIGS. Hard to explain. Sort of like the feel when you know you are playing a Sega game over a Nintendo game. Just a different and very cool experience. Because of that I can't part with my IIGS. I have had my hand at a few Mac computers of the era, but the IIGS is just a better machine (to me) for many reasons. Color, great sound, easy expand-ability and very cool modern options like the CFFA3000 make it a win all around.





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