Rajada Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Hi all, I was wondering if anyone knew of a pre-existing 3D model of the Atari 7800 cartridge guide. I mean the plastic sleeve that goes around the cart. You know, the one that always cracks and leaves you with a poor feeling fit on all your carts, whether it be too loose or a lovely death grip like mine has.Basically, I tried to buy a replacement from Curt a long time ago, but he ran off with my cash, and I'm looking for other options. I just recently got a 3D printer, and I'm trying to look into the possibility of printing these easily broken guides. It'd be nice to have somewhere to start, but after a search of the web, I'm guessing I'll have to make the model myself. I'll probably rip the one out of my 7800 and re-create it and modify the inside wall so 2600 carts don't crack it.But before I put a bunch of work in on Solid Works, I wanted to ask if anyone has already tried this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atari181 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Basically, I tried to buy a replacement from Curt a long time ago, but he ran off with my cash, You are part of an ever growing club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Basically, I tried to buy a replacement from Curt a long time ago, but he ran off with my cash You don't say? (Sorry he ripped you off) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoTonah Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 You don't say? (Sorry he ripped you off) Shhh... you're not supposed to talk about Curt that way. Even though he did it to me, too (joystick PCBs). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajada Posted February 15, 2018 Author Share Posted February 15, 2018 Well, it took a while to design it, and I'm still not 100% happy with it, but I have a prototype for fitting printing right now. I'll upload some images of it on my 7800 board later. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajada Posted February 15, 2018 Author Share Posted February 15, 2018 Here it is. The new guide is big enough to fit even the biggest, squarest 2600 cartridges. The only ones that don't fit are Tigervision carts, but that's because the pins on them are too long for the 7800 in general. Would anyone else be interested in printing one of these to give it a test and give me some feedback? It takes about 5 hours at 0.1 mm layer height, half that at 0.2 mm. This prototype is 0.2 mm. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+-^CrossBow^- Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 How does it look when the top cover is placed back on it? Not that I need one of these as both of my 7800s seem to fit all carts just fine. Also not all tigervision carts have the long posts. I've have some with a spring front plate that moves all at once when you insert it. Just checked and my copy of Jaw Breaker and King Kong both have these spring loaded cart covers on them. My others have the long posts on them, minus my Miner 2049er cart. I took nail clippers to the ends of the posts on that cart many many years ago so it would fit into my 7800. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DrVenkman Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 It would be super helpful to the community if you'd upload the model file for people to try, even if you're not 100% happy. There are a number of other projects around the forum where folks have used 3D printing, including for cartridge guides and tunnels (for instance, the cartridge tunnel on the 1088XEL machines people are building and putting inside mini-ITX cases). Perhaps someone else can help improve your design and address the things you're not happy with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Vendel Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 No one ran off with your cash, sheez... you just messaged me the other day and what did I do, sent out the next day to you. Love how people post crap like this but then never follow up and say - Oh hey, Curt did send it... In fact not only did I send it, I sent you 3 and a check to refund your money because I had forgot to ship out your order originally.... but hey, yeah.... I'm the evil $11 "crook" 9505 5144 7416 8047 1601 80 Hi all, I was wondering if anyone knew of a pre-existing 3D model of the Atari 7800 cartridge guide. I mean the plastic sleeve that goes around the cart. You know, the one that always cracks and leaves you with a poor feeling fit on all your carts, whether it be too loose or a lovely death grip like mine has.Basically, I tried to buy a replacement from Curt a long time ago, but he ran off with my cash, and I'm looking for other options. I just recently got a 3D printer, and I'm trying to look into the possibility of printing these easily broken guides. It'd be nice to have somewhere to start, but after a search of the web, I'm guessing I'll have to make the model myself. I'll probably rip the one out of my 7800 and re-create it and modify the inside wall so 2600 carts don't crack it.But before I put a bunch of work in on Solid Works, I wanted to ask if anyone has already tried this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Vendel Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 I just got back into things these past 5 weeks, if you haven't gotten something then try contacting me and tell me what is supposed to be owed to you instead of posting on a message thread... Shhh... you're not supposed to talk about Curt that way. Even though he did it to me, too (joystick PCBs). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajada Posted February 18, 2018 Author Share Posted February 18, 2018 (edited) Sorry Curt, you can't vanish like that and not expect negative press when you run a business. Had you taken the time to read it, you'd notice I started this thread a week or so before I noticed you had started posting again. I'll "update" the situation as soon as things have actually arrived. But I do believe what you're doing now is hijacking my thread about my attempts to repair my 7800, and give people here a new resource that I've developed. If you want to reach out to people who feel wronged by you, get your own thread, or send some e-mails. I know any sane business would have customer records you could be using right now to do exactly that instead of trying to take on my completely justified disappointment in you here. Or did all that get lost when you wiped out your site? That would be convenient, you would only have to help out the people who asked since you don't have those records anymore. Had you sent that package, or even a small apology, years ago this thread might not even be here. No one to blame but yourself for the negative press. No one but you knows what happened to you in the intervening time, if you really want people to be understanding, go to them, don't wait for the angry people to come to you. If you don't go out of your way to make reparations to anyone who didn't receive a product they paid for, hoping that most people will have forgotten and just dropped it, it's still technically stealing. Even if you feel bad about it.But back on topic, I've made structural improvements to my printable version of the cart guide. You can't exactly duplicate the original because the layering causes it to have a lot more faults. So far, it's holding up, but the dust cover pins are the most fragile part for sure. If anyone wants the STL file, it is attached to this post. I might make more refinements to it later. 7800CG.zip Edited February 18, 2018 by Rajada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 I wonder if the pins could be replaced by something off the shelf metal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DrVenkman Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 I wonder if the pins could be replaced by something off the shelf metal. It'll be interesting to see if the pins on the 1088XEL cartridge guides show wear issues in the coming months and years. I don't have a huge variety of cartridge types - most are brown label metal shell in the style of the original 400/800, but I'm sure other builders/buyers have a wider variety. At least 3D printing promises a relatively cheap and easily available replacement of they wear out or break over time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Vendel Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Site isnt wiped out so your wrong. Ill make sure I dont have any more heart surgeries because I owe somebody a part... how selfish of me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoundGammon Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 How about a clear version and one could put a couple of leds around it and give it a nice glow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajada Posted February 22, 2018 Author Share Posted February 22, 2018 Curt, start your own topic if you really want to explain things to people. But please stop trying to guilt me for your lack of communication in my thread. I really don't care anymore what the circumstances were. None of it matters 3 years after the fact. How about a clear version and one could put a couple of leds around it and give it a nice glow? Clear is hard to achieve in 3D print filament, my clearest stuff wouldn't transmit much light, mainly to do with the layering creating so many interfaces. But I'd love to see someone else pull it off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradsco Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 I just recently got a 3D printer, and I'm trying to look into the possibility of printing these easily broken guides. Rajada, What kind of printer are you using? I have an XYZprinting model I'm looking to replace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajada Posted February 26, 2018 Author Share Posted February 26, 2018 I'm using a Monoprice Maker Select Plus (by Wanhao) I bought from Monoprice. Occasionally, they'll have a sale where a promo code will net you $99 off it's $399 price tag, which is what I did. I then invested some materials and that $99 into upgrading it, and it prints very well for what it started as. Designing an enclosure has proven nightmarish though, considering the position of the mainboard and PSU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajada Posted March 2, 2018 Author Share Posted March 2, 2018 (edited) How does it look when the top cover is placed back on it? Not that I need one of these as both of my 7800s seem to fit all carts just fine. Also not all tigervision carts have the long posts. I've have some with a spring front plate that moves all at once when you insert it. Just checked and my copy of Jaw Breaker and King Kong both have these spring loaded cart covers on them. My others have the long posts on them, minus my Miner 2049er cart. I took nail clippers to the ends of the posts on that cart many many years ago so it would fit into my 7800. I only own two Tigervision carts, King Kong and Jawbreaker, and they both have the long pins. I think it's safe to say that they probably switched from one type of pin to the other at some point in time. Clipping the pins is a solution, as they're just barely too long, but I'm going to see if I can't make a guide that works without damaging the cartridge. It might of course, require shorter screws as well. Here is an updated, stronger version, where I have made the pin well a little deeper. With aforementioned shorter screws, it might be compatible with those long pin Tigervision carts. I'm waiting on my print to test this theory. 7800CartGuide.zip Edited March 2, 2018 by Rajada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Here is a bit of trivia for you, if you are the adventurous type, heat up the label carefully and peel it back just beyond the 2 screws. Open the cart, grab a common and crack it open for the spring, if you don't have a drawer full of them already. Now turn the original Tigervision cart guide around and add the spring. Reverse disassembly and voila. Rajada, I haven't looked, is the gcode in the ZIP? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Now turn the original Tigervision cart guide around and add the spring. Reverse disassembly and voila. I just gave the same advise the other day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 I just gave the same advice the other day. Ha, didn't see that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Ha, didn't see that. Great minds think alike. I know, it's hard being this awesome but at least we are good at it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajada Posted March 7, 2018 Author Share Posted March 7, 2018 Rajada, I haven't looked, is the gcode in the ZIP? No, because there are many gcode types, you need to slice your own gcode. I just supplied the .stl file. By the way, this is on thingiverse now, which will always be the most up to date version. https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2811946 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 No, because there are many gcode types, you need to slice your own gcode. I just supplied the .stl file. By the way, this is on thingiverse now, which will always be the most up to date version. https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2811946 I know, it just happens to be, that one of my 3D printers is a IIIP. Thanks anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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