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#1 VicViper OFFLINE  

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Posted Tue Jan 9, 2018 1:39 PM

I was just reading the wiki article for the Tomy Tutor, and it said it was very similar to a TI99-4/A, how true is this? Would it be possible to port games from one to the other in a way similar to MSX and Coleco?

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Posted Tue Jan 9, 2018 2:28 PM

http://www.floodgap....ti-vs-tomy.html



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Posted Tue Jan 9, 2018 3:07 PM

Seems to me if it were easy, we'd have seen ports to the 99/4A a long time ago. Some good games to be had on that Tomy Tutor!

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Posted Tue Jan 9, 2018 5:54 PM

http://www.floodgap....ti-vs-tomy.html

that's a great read on the subject, thanks.

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Posted Tue Jan 9, 2018 7:33 PM

The Tomy games hook into the OS for a lot of their routines, so you actually have to port the OS and the game together. Barry Boone did this for the US Tomy games many years ago and ported them over to the Geneve. I consulted with him a while back and used his methods to port a lot of the Tomy Pyuuta games over as well--but they only run on the Geneve. The Tomy's GPL language is intended to run on a TMS-9995, so you have to do a bit of translation there too if you want to try and port to a 99/4A. It would probably not be a trivial change once you factor in the memory requirements.



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Posted Tue Jan 9, 2018 11:25 PM

I consulted with him a while back and used his methods to port a lot of the Tomy Pyuuta games over as well--but they only run on the Geneve.


And why don't I know about them? Wanna see! :-)

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Posted Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:00 AM

And why don't I know about them? Wanna see! :-)


http://ftp.whtech.co...my tutor games/

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Posted Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:35 AM

Interesting timing on this topic. Sparkdrummer just demo’d his Tomy Tutor at this month’s VAST meeting. Attendance was 100% with everyone showing up to our 9am donut shop gathering.

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Posted Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:40 AM

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Lots of fun games with interesting colors available. Mostly arcade game clones with a few strange originals thrown in.

I especially liked the pain-free color coordinated joystick.


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Posted Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:45 AM

While looking at these shots I see the same 24*32 tile grid. Same TMS9918A.




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Posted Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:48 AM

Everything about the keyboard was superior to my original TI-99/4 calculator key/overlay style keyboard. The cursor keys at the top right of the Tomy keyboard are a significant advantage.

Edited by Airshack, Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:49 AM.


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Posted Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:10 AM

While looking at these shots I see the same 24*32 tile grid. Same TMS9918A.

 

Yes. :)



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Posted Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:04 AM

It is a 9918. I replaced the VDP in my US Tutor with an F18A. This also allowed me to replace the failed powersupply with a picoPSU. Except that the cartridge port no longer get -5v.

The joysticks are 2 button, and like the TI use a single plug for both players.

The cartridge port has the same dimensions to physically accept a TI cart shell.

You can build RAM and eprom carts now... Thanks to
Tanam.. http://d.hatena.ne.j...0327/1490647882

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Posted Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:09 AM

Such a beautiful computer... wow....

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Posted Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:24 AM

Not forgetting this version. :)
 
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http://www.videogame...htm#page=models

 



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Posted Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:32 AM

Is this the "Pyuuta"?



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Posted Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:19 AM

That is a Pyuuta Jr. The regular Pyuuta looks just like a Tutor, except the keys are in Kanji script. Then there is the Pyuuta MkII, which has a regular keyboard, but otherwise looks like a Tutor. There are internal differences between all of the Japanese models and the Tutor, but all will mostly run the same software (the GBASIC in the Pyuuta is a bit different, but once you get to the MkII, it is the same as the US version).



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Posted Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:57 AM

I Follow the Tomy Totor Scene also. 

It is a really nice computer.

 

here my configuration in Italy (year 2015) where TI-99 Italian User Club has been present to the "Brusaporto Retrocomputing" exposition.

 

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i'd like to add two interesting links also:

 

- TI Scramble from TI99 to Tomy Tutor (the our TI Scramble developed by Rasmus)

http://d.hatena.ne.j...0415/1492218987

 

and also an interesting active group on yahoo:

https://groups.yahoo.../tomytutor/info

 

 

 

;)


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Posted Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:21 AM

Here are picks of the dev carts from Tanam... left to right, clockwise: 8K RAM + 24K ROM, 32K ROM, 16K ROM multi bank w/jumpers.


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Posted Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:59 AM

Cool ! i would like to have them :P have you a contact please ?



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Posted Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:48 PM

The green boards I bought from tanam. http://atariage.com/...4990-tanam1972/

Kind of funny, he shipped them to me in the same anti-static bag that my 32k sideport board was shipped to him in.

The kicad projects were on his website for the purple one, so I had that made at OSHPark, and it works on my US Tutor. The green ones require the Japanese cartridge port. So it doesn't work on my US Tutor. Luckily I have a MkII to keep me moving...

I was trying to find the kicad projects he had on his blog... This is challenging as my Japanese is... non-existent...

I would like to be done with other projects, so I can move on to things like modifying the US Tutor cartridge port to support this. Or building an external adapter like what used to be sold. And build a real keyboard for my US Tutor, cause mine is dead. And... document the OS ROM like TI-Intern, but I'm just learning assembly...

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Posted Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:24 PM

I had to revise the board descriptions in the earlier post... after digging around on Tanam's blog, I believe the board with 8K RAM uses 24K ROM.

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Posted Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:30 PM

That was a fun meeting - especially showing James something he had never seen before.

 

I am still looking for a LOCO-MOTION cart - or a multicart for the machine would work...

 

James and I have fun at these meetings - and we usually always attract some attention from coffee/donut hounds.

 

Probably in March I'll be showing James my Fairchild Channel F collection.



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Posted Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:22 AM

- TI Scramble from TI99 to Tomy Tutor (the our TI Scramble developed by Rasmus)
http://d.hatena.ne.j...0415/1492218987


That's interesting. I guess converting from TI to Tomy is generally easier than the other way around. Especially with games not using stuff like KSCAN, ISR and GPL.

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Posted Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:28 AM

Hi

I've made RAM & ROM Cartridge for Original Pyuuta. You can play on ePyuta now.

http://d.hatena.ne.j...1230/1514598212

 

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