jaek_3 Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 I'm sure people have made this thread to death, but sifting through the countless threads all mentioning APE, or prosystem, or [miscellaneous homemade program here], I really couldn't figure anything out. I have a USB SIO2USB and I've also made a DIY SIO2USB, and with that I've been able to get my Atari 800 to boot using respeqt. I was wondering if there was a program that would allow me to connect the 810 disk drive DIRECTLY to my PC, bypassing the computer all together. I've tried ProSystem, but it doesn't seem to be able to recognize any of the devices on any COM port. HELP!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DrVenkman Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 I'm sure people have made this thread to death, but sifting through the countless threads all mentioning APE, or prosystem, or [miscellaneous homemade program here], I really couldn't figure anything out. I have a USB SIO2USB and I've also made a DIY SIO2USB, and with that I've been able to get my Atari 800 to boot using respeqt. I was wondering if there was a program that would allow me to connect the 810 disk drive DIRECTLY to my PC, bypassing the computer all together. I've tried ProSystem, but it doesn't seem to be able to recognize any of the devices on any COM port. HELP!! Well, that's what I did with a 1050 to make .ATR images of all my old floppies, so it *IS* possible to do this with APE ProSystem. It's almost certainly some kind of driver issue or something to do with the chips used in the devices you have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nezgar Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 You can't with a normal sio2pc-usb, you need 1050-2pc which has reversed tx/rx pins to talk direct do drives. there's one on lotharek's store, haven't used it myself with prosystem yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaek_3 Posted February 17, 2018 Author Share Posted February 17, 2018 Well, that's what I did with a 1050 to make .ATR images of all my old floppies, so it *IS* possible to do this with APE ProSystem. It's almost certainly some kind of driver issue or something to do with the chips used in the devices you have. I thought those were two separate programs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+kheller2 Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 I thought those were two separate programs? They are. APE is the Peripheral Emulator, ProSystem is the imaging system (10502PC). AtariMax's SIO2PC Universal Interface (RS232 and USB versions) are intelligent devices in that APE or ProSys configure the mode in which the device works: SIO-2-PC or 1050-2-PC. There are also dedicated 1050-2-PC interfaces out there, AtariMax just combined the two into one device (since they are basically identical). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaek_3 Posted February 17, 2018 Author Share Posted February 17, 2018 They are. APE is the Peripheral Emulator, ProSystem is the imaging system (10502PC). AtariMax's SIO2PC Universal Interface (RS232 and USB versions) are intelligent devices in that APE or ProSys configure the mode in which the device works: SIO-2-PC or 1050-2-PC. There are also dedicated 1050-2-PC interfaces out there, AtariMax just combined the two into one device (since they are basically identical). Well then, since I only have an 810, would there really be any objective advantage in using a real SIO2USB instead of a DIY variant? If not, then what program do I use? Sorry, I'm still new to this. In theory, I could use either the real SIO2USB or the fake one to load up DOS2.0s, and then mount another disk image, and then duplicate it within the DOS menu, right? What program do you use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 a real one is guarantee to be able to use in both modes and get along with other devices in the sio chain. mixed results with other makes and models.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 I don't think that I quite understand the desire to bypass the Atari computer in the copying process. Is there an advantage to a direct 810/1050 to PC connection that I am not understanding? I found using my XL as an interface between my real and virtual drives to be a fairly easy process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DrVenkman Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 I thought those were two separate programs? They are. APE is the Peripheral Emulator, ProSystem is the imaging system (10502PC). ProSystem is also the name of a long-running open-source 7800 emulator, so I was simply differentiating one from the other. In any event, when you get a trial version of APE from Steve's site (or pay for a license) you also get ProSystem installed along with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DrVenkman Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 I don't think that I quite understand the desire to bypass the Atari computer in the copying process. Is there an advantage to a direct 810/1050 to PC connection that I am not understanding? I found using my XL as an interface between my real and virtual drives to be a fairly easy process. ProSystem is capable of emulating the Atari host system and offers a number of options for copying disks, how it deals with bad sectors and copy protection stuff, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 ProSystem is capable of emulating the Atari host system and offers a number of options for copying disks, how it deals with bad sectors and copy protection stuff, etc. Ahhh ... thanks for the clarification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DrVenkman Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Ahhh ... thanks for the clarification. Sure. And to be clear, when I say "emulating the Atari host system" I mean simply that to an attached drive, it's just as if the drive is communicating with a host Atari. ProSystem of course isn't a full A8 emulator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaek_3 Posted February 18, 2018 Author Share Posted February 18, 2018 How do I use APE? The downloadable manual is down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roydea6 Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 How do I use APE? The downloadable manual is down. A.P.E. is a windows program. So use your mouse arrow to click on items and then remember which click does what you want to have happen. Rinse repeat for 20 + years and you may then understand how to use A.P.E. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaek_3 Posted February 18, 2018 Author Share Posted February 18, 2018 A.P.E. is a windows program. So use your mouse arrow to click on items and then remember which click does what you want to have happen. Rinse repeat for 20 + years and you may then understand how to use A.P.E. how clever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nezgar Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Not having used one I'm curious - Shouldn't the 10502PC work with any Atari compatible drive? I would think an 810 should work just fine, for SD disks. Unless it really is 1050 specific. Maybe some copy protection detection is 1050 specific. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like us on Facebook
Follow us on Twitter
AtariAge on Instagram
Watch us on YouTube
Chat on Discord
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.