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#26 Airshack ONLINE  

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Posted Thu Mar 1, 2018 6:24 PM

Curious. For those who have a RAMDISK in their PEB... what are you using yours for?



#27 Opry99er OFFLINE  

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Posted Thu Mar 1, 2018 6:27 PM

When I had one, I used it for running Funnelweb as my *OS* and partitioned off multiple *disks* for development.

Wish I hadnt gotten rid of it. :D

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Posted Thu Mar 1, 2018 10:02 PM

I have a work disk for test programs, funnelweb, Preditor, DM2K and DSK2PC on it. Everything I need for development basically, at my fingertips without the hassle of swapping floppies.

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Posted Thu Mar 1, 2018 10:12 PM

On my TI, it has most of the basic programs I need like my menu, FunnelWeb, archiver, terminal emulator, disk utilities, etc.  I used to keep one partition available for Infocom games given the random access required.  And assembling/linking code has no equal in the TI world than a nice, fast RAMdisk. Just be sure you back up regularly!



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Posted Fri Mar 2, 2018 5:48 AM

It is a 3 Meg HRD16. All 10 partitions are used for menus, F'WEB, FbFORTH, TURBOFORTH, about 100 other programs and a 3200 sector partition  reserved for "workspace".



#31 GDMike OFFLINE  

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Posted Fri May 3, 2019 6:38 PM

Does anyone want to help rebuild my HRD+
Im having no luck with following docs that im not even sure they work.

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Posted Mon May 6, 2019 5:58 AM

I've only used my home-made RAM-disk to keep the SYSTEM.EDITOR, SYSTEM.COMPILER and SYSTEM.FILER when using the UCSD p-system. Since that operating system relies quite a lot on swapping these files in and out, it makes a big difference.

Only recently have I added two Horizon RAM-disks, but not done so much more than figuring out why the ROS 8.xx didn't support the p-system. Got it going, but I'm not doing much with my TI nowadays.



#33 RickyDean OFFLINE  

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Posted Mon May 6, 2019 6:02 AM

Does anyone want to help rebuild my HRD+
Im having no luck with following docs that im not even sure they work.

Chris did you find someone to help?



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Posted Mon May 6, 2019 6:10 AM

I started using the step by step for the 3000 and after finishing the power section it says 1. After verifying everything place the card with no chips into the PEB. And you should get led 1 lit but not led2. I confirmed that. Then it says 2. Place all support chips into the card but not the 11 ram chips..
Here is where I lost everything..
It doesn't say where to run Jumpers, as I see traces in the photo of lots of traces and it doesn't explain setting up the stacked 138 chips. But it goes on saying run the mem test..
So, yes I'm missing out. But why these docs have this step by step and is Missing so much.

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Posted Mon May 6, 2019 6:45 AM

I started using the step by step for the 3000 and after finishing the power section it says 1. After verifying everything place the card with no chips into the PEB. And you should get led 1 lit but not led2. I confirmed that. Then it says 2. Place all support chips into the card but not the 11 ram chips..
Here is where I lost everything..
It doesn't say where to run Jumpers, as I see traces in the photo of lots of traces and it doesn't explain setting up the stacked 138 chips. But it goes on saying run the mem test..
So, yes I'm missing out. But why these docs have this step by step and is Missing so much.

Is yours a 3000 or the 3000b ? I do have one of each and can see what I can find out. 



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Posted Mon May 6, 2019 6:49 AM

Thanks. Well that's a good question. Lol seems it was a HRD+. With an update to it..and the board layout looks just like the 3000 board. I believe Chris said to just remove everything and start over. Which was probably the best thing! That's when I couldn't find good docs.
I'll attach photos here after I get kids off to school. Thanks

Edited by GDMike, Mon May 6, 2019 6:51 AM.


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Posted Mon May 6, 2019 7:11 AM

This is now the basic board and it does get led 1 lit when placed in the PEB.
Thanks on the help in advance. I'm not a super wiz at reading schematics. But I'm ok and there is some sloppy soldering here, but there was a reason as I only wanted to tack parts and not make them permanent to save wear on the board in case someone said, oh don't use that component, use this one etc..sorry to make it look sloppy but I'll clean it up as we determine it's a permanent thing.

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Posted Mon May 6, 2019 7:47 AM

The ic list that I have left over after removing everything:
U2 74LS154. U3 2 stacked 62256LP-12
U4 2 stacked HM62256LP-12
U5 1 ea M5M5256P-15
U6 1 ea CXK58256P-12
U7 1 ea D43256A-85L
U8 1 ea D43256AC-85L
U9 2 stack 74LS259
U11 1 ea HM6264LP-12
U12 3 stack HM62256LP-12
U13 1 ea D43256A-85L
U14 M5M5256BP-15L
U15 1 ea M5M5256BP-15L
U16 1 ea D43256C-12L
U17 1 ea D43256C-12L
U18 1 ea SN74LS156N
U19 1 ea 74LS138
U20 3 stacked 74LS138
U21 1 ea 74LS144
U22 1 ea 74LS244
U23 1 ea 74LS245

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Edited by GDMike, Mon May 6, 2019 7:50 AM.


#39 GDMike OFFLINE  

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Posted Mon May 6, 2019 7:55 AM

One more note: I have 4 spare 138s. And 7 ea. HM6264LP-15

Edited by GDMike, Mon May 6, 2019 7:55 AM.


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Posted Mon May 6, 2019 8:21 AM

Let me look at my docs for the 3000 and see if I can find the hrd+ docs and see if i can help. But this will be tonight as I am at my day job. I have a 1000(I believe), 2000, 3000 and 3000b, and a 4000.



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Posted Mon May 6, 2019 9:21 AM

Thanks. Well that's a good question. Lol seems it was a HRD+. With an update to it..and the board layout looks just like the 3000 board. I believe Chris said to just remove everything and start over. Which was probably the best thing! That's when I couldn't find good docs.
I'll attach photos here after I get kids off to school. Thanks

Have you looked at the 3000 information that Theirry Nouspikel put out, this may give some guidance?    http://www.unige.ch/...i99/horizon.htm

 

also some more info  http://atariage.com/...bugging-repair/

 

ftp://ftp.whtech.com/datasheets%20and%20manuals/Hardware/Horizon%20-%20Bud%20Mills%20Services/  use anonymous as the user name, no password

 

and there was a change in 1988 that may have some bearing, find attached.

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Edited by RickyDean, Mon May 6, 2019 9:34 AM.


#42 GDMike OFFLINE  

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Posted Mon May 6, 2019 10:18 AM

Thanks Ricky, I have I'm pretty sure seen every doc out there..they all pretty much start setting up the card with a list of parts, getting power configured and what chips to use etc.. and pictures..BUT I'm not finding exact trace wire-wrap runs (only ram is shown), and some boards have traces running to the edge connector and some photos without. I'm just confused on trying to read what chip does what and when and what revision..I can't seem to be able to keep all that straight. I am fine if someone gives me a layout of wiring runs, but not to good at following the schematic, unless I had a large white board and then laying everything out, but it's way too much work for a final report that may, no, Probably will not work due to some reason or another. I would think that if I knew what chips we're installed, and the wiring (physical) of pin to pin. And other Jumpers thant run to like the junction ports etc..If any of that makes sense? And I'm not in a hurry as I'm rebuilding a car at the same time, and like you said you're at work. So I understand where you are coming from. I would be fine as one step at a time to make sure I'm not wasting anyone's time here. Oh the fun. I'd love to get it working since I'm trying to write some forth code using a PEB that uses the 1mb sAMS card and the ramdisk just makes it so much nicer to code.

Edited by GDMike, Mon May 6, 2019 10:59 AM.


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Posted Tue May 7, 2019 7:20 AM

Okay here are some pics of what I have, some are operational, some not so much, but getting there slowly. It seems as pic 004 and 005 are the closest to your version, they were created in 1988. 004 is however needing reconstruction as it had leaking batteries from 17 years of storage.

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#44 GDMike OFFLINE  

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Posted Tue May 7, 2019 12:27 PM

Just looking them over. Thanks

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Posted Tue May 7, 2019 12:33 PM

Yeah nice boards! I believe like someone once said I have a HRD+ with all kinds of mods. And without schematics its very difficult. I think the color of the boards say something too. I believe there are serials on the boards. I appreciate your efforts here.

Edited by GDMike, Tue May 7, 2019 12:36 PM.


#46 RickyDean OFFLINE  

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Posted Tue May 7, 2019 1:06 PM

Yeah nice boards! I believe like someone once said I have a HRD+ with all kinds of mods. And without schematics its very difficult. I think the color of the boards say something too. I believe there are serials on the boards. I appreciate your efforts here.

Okay, gotcha. If you have the manual for that board, you should be able to strip it to the base components, then start back per the instructions to bring it back to that level at least.

I don't know the mods as they weren't a concern of mine at the time(long story). I can look for the HRD+ manual and then can go through it step by step with you, till we get it there.

It will take some time, as I work and this is my medium for communication at the time, until I get home in the evenings. But this is very doable.

My boards don't have serials any more due to the process I used to clean years of trash off them after pulling them from storage (dishwasher) as they were bad.

This explains the discoloration of the boards also(to hot).



#47 GDMike OFFLINE  

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Posted Tue May 7, 2019 1:11 PM

Cool beans. Yup. At this point I'm interested in finding a board with the address switch rt next to the 74LS138 3-stack. You will know it when you see it. Lol its going to be the brain for this board because it does all the addressing for the memory space. Take you're time..you are doing me a favor,!!

#48 RickyDean OFFLINE  

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Posted Wed May 8, 2019 6:52 AM

Cool beans. Yup. At this point I'm interested in finding a board with the address switch rt next to the 74LS138 3-stack. 

 

Here are some pics of a HRD+, that I got from an individual at one time. Keep in mind that the added wires are placed there, to support the chip stacking. The ram disk probably started out as a 384k for example and in this pic was taken to a higher capacity, so the wires were added to route the signals. I have also printed out the manual for my use if needed.

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#49 Ksarul OFFLINE  

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Posted Wed May 8, 2019 7:09 AM

Note, as previously stated--and even more obvious when looking at all of the pictures now in this thread (thanks everyone), your board is an HRD+. If it won't build as an HRD+, there is probably a broken trace or a bad solder joint on the board somewhere. It is also remotely possible that there is a bad component, but as the board fires up without any of the chips installed, that tells us the problem will likely be somewhere in the support logic area. If you try to build it as a 3000, you are doomed to failure, as there are a lot of differences between those boards.

 

One note for those with HRD3000 boards--I have lots of the normally unobtainium 74LS154s in the .300 DIP variety. .600s are easy to find, but the .300s are not often to be found.



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Posted Wed May 8, 2019 7:14 AM

Ricky, I have U19 as a 138. Is that what that is, otherwise it looks like the board. Its gonna be hard to see, but maybe you have docs, but I need the wiring pin layout on upper to lower to lower on U20. And wiring from pin to pin on all jumpers..its a lot
Thanks




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