tschak909 Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 Okay, guys. I've been working on this, for weeks, and now it's time to open the doors. The PLATO system that I’ve been putting together for Atari (and other retro-computing users) is now open for testing. Yes, things will be broken, yes, things will be weird, but I will help work through them, and I urge those interested in digging deep into the system to contact me about getting sign-ons in the staff group to help manage this thing.This system is a public utility, that I am paying for, out of my own pocket, my own electricity, and internet connection, as well as DNS registration, but I will NEVER ask for subscription or access fees. This is a free service, and I am providing it to provide something truly unique to the retro-computing community.This system stands alongside Cyber1 dot org as another PLATO system that users with PLATO terminal software can connect to. This includes, and was ultimately designed for Atari 8-bit users who have access to a flash cartridge (or an emulator) to run The Learning Phone cartridge which is used to access the service. What is PLATO? It’s a long story, but imagine finding deep in the jungle, a village of people who were building jet engines decades before the Wright brothers flew their first airplane. It was a system for education, for social use, for playing games. It was multi-user, graphical, interactive, touch screen oriented, and presented an integrated usage and development environment the likes of which you rarely see, even today. This whole project was literally possible, because the good folks at Cyber1 dot org spent years finding a completed copy of the PLATO software, and acquired permission by the current copyright holder to release it for non commercial use. I stand on the shoulders of their efforts. This system was borne from both a need to provide a customized service for interested Atari users who wanted a PLATO experience, and because I wanted to provide a more user friendly experience than what is currently provided by cyber1 dot org out of the box. As of now, it’s in alpha, early beta. Things will be wonky, things will be weird. Bear with me as I try to come to grips with running a massive time sharing system that traditionally was run on massive supercomputers from Control Data Corporation. The web site is here: http://www.irata.online/ and has everything you need to get started. Please let me know what you think, Sincerely, -Thomas Cherryhomes – IRATA.Online’s scared shitless leader. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polyex Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 What are you running on DtCyber? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted March 26, 2018 Author Share Posted March 26, 2018 Yes, I am using NOS 3.8 on dtcyber, emulating a CYBER 170/865 with lots of disks attached. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted March 26, 2018 Author Share Posted March 26, 2018 Oops, correction, that's NOS 2.8 Here's a picture of the cyber's main scopes running cybis: -Thom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted March 29, 2018 Author Share Posted March 29, 2018 I am working on a new login screen to replace the original CYBIS one. Here's how it looks on PTERM: Here's how it looks on the Atari: What do you guys think? -Thom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Baldwin Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 I can login now my Pterm was going to the wrong server it was syberserv.org now its irata.online and all is going good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Baldwin Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 it wood be nice to have a terminal for my vga 286 pc with 640k of ram to log into system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted March 29, 2018 Author Share Posted March 29, 2018 It is definitely possible. On the site, there are two sample terminal implementations, one for classic 68K macintoshes, and one for Sun workstations. These are simple enough to see the basic aspects of the protocol in action. There is also a complete specification for the protocol. With this, somebody could write a terminal that creates a monochrome VGA display at 512x512 for PLATO. -Thom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted March 31, 2018 Author Share Posted March 31, 2018 Just a reminder, it's on the site, but I will post it here. There will be an on-line meet to literally go through the system inch by inch, from 9p to 11p CDT tonight. And there will be another one tomorrow, from 4p to 6p. I will continue scheduling these for the foreseeable future, until people literally stop coming. -Thom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted April 1, 2018 Author Share Posted April 1, 2018 The Saturday meet is now starting. -Thom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted April 5, 2018 Author Share Posted April 5, 2018 More games have been added 0ychess1 - Chess. 0swat - player to player pong 0freecell - Freecell Solitaire 0solitaire - Traditional Solitaire 0vegas - Las Vegas Keno Also, more meets have been added this weekend to introduce the system to everyone. Please see the site for details. -Thom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted April 14, 2018 Author Share Posted April 14, 2018 I've scheduled two more Google meets for: Saturday, April 14th, 10am to 12pm Sunday, April 15th, 10am to 12pm Details on the website. -Thom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted April 17, 2018 Author Share Posted April 17, 2018 Next IRATA.ONLINE meets are on Apr 21, and Apr 22, at 10am to 12pm CDT for both days. Google Meet links on http://www.irata.online/ I want to be sure to talk to coders from different vintage systems, so that we can get terminals written for every vintage system. -Thom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted April 21, 2018 Author Share Posted April 21, 2018 Are you guys having trouble connecting to the hangouts? -Thom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted April 22, 2018 Author Share Posted April 22, 2018 Ok, I've now moved the meets to a self hosted service running on the same server as the main service: https://meet.irata.online/demomeet Links on the website have been updated. -Thom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesD Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 Thanks for discussing Plato on CoCo Talk. Bummed out that couldn't join in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youxia Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Really great to hear that there's another mainframe hangout similar to cyber1. You can't get more retro than that Any chance to run the Doomsday 2000 game on your setup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted May 15, 2018 Author Share Posted May 15, 2018 I've never seen that, is it on cyber1? The system is a full fledged PLATO system, with the TUTOR environment completely available, so we can pretty much make any game that we want to play on the system. -Thom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted May 15, 2018 Author Share Posted May 15, 2018 Some of the challenges of trying to get people to see this system: (this was a mail I sent to David Murray, the 8-bit guy, i've gotten the same response from pretty much all the major youtubers:) I feel like no matter what i've done over the last few decades, I have to fight for each and every little win. -Thom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youxia Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 (edited) Doomsday 2000 used to run on DEC machines: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_Thunderbolt. To be honest I have minimal knowledge of the mainframe world, so I have no idea about how compatible these things were and if this game is suited for PLATO. I know it's possible to run it on something called OpenVMS: https://astr0baby.wordpress.com/2017/10/29/getting-doomsday-2000-working-on-simulated-alpha-openvms-8-4-2/ I never had much faith in the "youtubers" (nor watched any of their stuff) and this email sort of confirms it. If somebody who calls himself an "8-bit Guy" does not know about PLATO and can't spare a minute or two to learn about it, then what hope is there? Still, I hope you don't give up easily, it's an awesome initiative to keep these things alive. It's definitely a niche subject, yeah, I don't really need a youtuber to tell me that people prefer other ways to connect to the Internet, but it's not what retro computing hobby is all about, methinks. Edited May 16, 2018 by youxia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted May 16, 2018 Author Share Posted May 16, 2018 It would need to be rewritten in TUTOR. The good thing about PLATO (and therefore IRATA), is that there is a development environment on the system available to everyone, so that any user can make a new game, or...whatever they wish, for the benefit of the other users. I am putting together a multi-player othello game. -Thom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polyex Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 (edited) IMHO The 8 bit guy is younger than he likes to let on. I think he is more of a early 90s DOS computer enthusiast similar to Lazy Game Room reviews. I think he saw the popularity of more classic early 80s systems and has found success. I remember a video where he let it accidentally slip he was actually 3-4 years old when the C64 arrived. In other words its a popularity contest and a business for him, so dont expect much nostalgia from him for things from the late 70s/early 80s , as he was an infant at those times. Edited May 16, 2018 by polyex 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OLD CS1 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 IMHO The 8 bit guy is younger than he likes to let on. I think he is more of a early 90s DOS computer enthusiast similar to Lazy Game Room reviews. I think he saw the popularity of more classic early 80s systems and has found success. I remember a video where he let it accidentally slip he was actually 3-4 years old when the C64 arrived. In other words its a popularity contest and a business for him, so dont expect much nostalgia from him for things from the late 70s/early 80s , as he was an infant at those times. I was only about seven or eight, and he found success where I have not. I was late to both the C64 and Amiga parties, 1989 and 1992, respectively, but they are both indelibly intertwined into my life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polyex Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 (edited) I was only about seven or eight, and he found success where I have not. Don't be so hard on yourself, if you enjoy the HOBBY then you are successful! Edited May 17, 2018 by polyex 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted May 17, 2018 Author Share Posted May 17, 2018 Honestly, I'm just pissed, because this seems to be the immediate impression with everybody who would actually be able to promote the system. Even with explanation, they don't understand the gap that's being filled. -Thom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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