Resistor Wattage Help

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#1 Shift838OFFLINE

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Posted Sun Apr 8, 2018 2:29 PM

I'm not real clear on  how to calculate the required wattage of resistor required when wiring up a voltage divider.

I know how to wire one up and I have tested it with 1/4 watt resistors.  But I want to make sure I have the correct wattage.

I wire up

12v --> 470ohm-->150 ohm --> ground

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2.9v

I'll get 2.9 volts from the circuit, exactly what I want.

so do I need 1/4 or 1/2 watt resistors?  well i'm not real clear.

Any one?

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Posted Sun Apr 8, 2018 3:10 PM

Shift838, use the voltage drop across the 470ohm resistor for that calculation and the the node voltage at your takeoff node (2.9v) for the 15ohm resistor.  So; (12-2.9)^2 / 470 = .18 watts.  (2.9)^2 / 150 = .06 watts.  If I did my math correctly. Hope this helps.

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Posted Sun Apr 8, 2018 3:31 PM

how much current are you sucking though it

http://www.bowdensho...its.info/r2.htm

Edited by Osgeld, Sun Apr 8, 2018 3:35 PM.

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Posted Sun Apr 8, 2018 5:11 PM

What are you using the 2.9V for? It will measure as 2.9V if you measure it with a multimeter, but if you draw any appreciable current from it then it will upset the voltage.

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Posted Sun Apr 8, 2018 7:11 PM

Ah, good point!  I assumed that is was in place and drawing current.

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Posted Sun Apr 8, 2018 7:52 PM

You might consider using a voltage regulator instead of a voltage divider. With a voltage regulator you get a constant voltage regardless of the load. As noted above, a voltage divider will give a different output depending on how much current is drawn by the load.  There are many possibilities; here are two 3 volt regulators:

LP2950-30LP                 up to 100mA output

MCP1827S-3002E/AB          up to 1.5A output

The data sheets show the use of capacitors. In some applications the regulators are a little unstable and the caps control that.

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Posted Sun Apr 8, 2018 8:29 PM

yea a divider is ok for making a reference voltage but anything but a tiny load and you start dealing with watts of power and the voltage will start going all over the place

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Posted Sun Apr 8, 2018 9:07 PM

Shift838, use the voltage drop across the 470ohm resistor for that calculation and the the node voltage at your takeoff node (2.9v) for the 15ohm resistor.  So; (12-2.9)^2 / 470 = .18 watts.  (2.9)^2 / 150 = .06 watts.  If I did my math correctly. Hope this helps.

your math is right.  That's what I came up with, but since I was not sure I wanted a few extra brains to help.

So with those figures a 1/4 watt for each of the resistors should be sufficient, correct?

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Posted Sun Apr 8, 2018 9:09 PM

your math is right.  That's what I came up with, but since I was not sure I wanted a few extra brains to help.

So with those figures a 1/4 watt for each of the resistors should be sufficient, correct?

yes with no current draw on the 2.9v output

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Posted Sun Apr 8, 2018 11:50 PM

.18 is nudging close to .25, so a half-watter there might be better. Oversize current capacity doesn't matter in resistors, unless space is a concern. If the smaller one runs warm, upgrade it. For the 150 Ohm drawing .06, even 1/8-watt should be fine, or use what ya got in the bin.

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Edited by Ed in SoDak, Sun Apr 8, 2018 11:50 PM.

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Posted Mon Apr 9, 2018 5:27 AM

If you don't want to go all in with a voltage regulator, then adding a simple Zener diode to the circuit improves it too.

Example

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Posted Mon Apr 9, 2018 8:38 AM

If you don't want to go all in with a voltage regulator, then adding a simple Zener diode to the circuit improves it too.

Yep, that is a very good way to do it. Even easier than the voltage reg and should work just as well.

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Posted Mon Apr 9, 2018 3:58 PM

Curious, to what circuit/device are you providing the 2.9v?  I just want to make sure not to mislead you because what Osgeld and Stuart are saying as a caution are very true.  For example, if you ground that node then your 470ohm resistor will have to dissipate .3 watts, that's a worst case scenario.  It will be a toasty warm 1/4 watt resistor in that instance.

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Posted Mon Apr 9, 2018 8:49 PM

I ordered 1/2 watts for the 470ohm just to be safe.  the 2.9 volts is going to the SCART interface.  it requires 1 to 3v of power to put the monitor in RGB mode.

I did a recalculation and dropped the 150 ohm to a 100 ohm to pull the voltage down to about 2.1 volts.

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Posted Mon Apr 9, 2018 8:59 PM

Curious, to what circuit/device are you providing the 2.9v?  I just want to make sure not to mislead you because what Osgeld and Stuart are saying as a caution are very true.  For example, if you ground that node then your 470ohm resistor will have to dissipate .3 watts, that's a worst case scenario.  It will be a toasty warm 1/4 watt resistor in that instance.

1/4 watt should be ok for the 100 ohm though I believe?

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Posted Mon Apr 9, 2018 9:41 PM

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Posted Mon Apr 9, 2018 9:44 PM

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