MrMaddog Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Not really, these days almost every Linux task has has been broken down into simple recipes you can cut and paste. Run this curl command and this apt-get command and done.. Yep, when I used Ubuntu I copied lines from a web browser to a Terminal window to install stuff. It only takes two lines just to put Steam on there and BOOM you got a Steam Machine... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnrk Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 So apparently the footage of Tempest 4000 running on the VCS was staged. Atari already responded and it might not be a scandal, but disappointing that the only modern game worth mentioning from their marketing material was a sham: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbinZ8v14e0 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mockduck Posted June 8, 2018 Author Share Posted June 8, 2018 Here is one mention of the rotating joystick from Cnet March 21, 2018. https://www.cnet.com/news/ataribox-atari-vcs-console-linux-hands-on-pc/ "One's a modernized Bluetooth version of Atari's classic joystick -- the joystick rotates to double as a classic Atari paddle" ======================================================= Here is another mention from game informer march 27, 2018: https://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2018/03/27/an-up-close-look-atari-new-console-vcs.aspx "Two controllers were also in the private room Atari based its GDC operations out of. The first controller was slicker rendition of the classic Atari joystick form-factor (with lights that illuminated in the direction you tilt the stick). In addition, the stick rotates to work with games that originally required a paddle controller." That seems legit enough evidence to add to the OP. Thanks for this! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82-T/A Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 I want the Atari VCS to do well... and at some point, I hope others do too as well. I've aired my concerns, but I still put my money down. I hope others can at least appreciate the effort and not revel in the drama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojay1997 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 I want the Atari VCS to do well... and at some point, I hope others do too as well. I've aired my concerns, but I still put my money down. I hope others can at least appreciate the effort and not revel in the drama. What "effort" if you don't mind me asking? The Tempest 4K issue to me seems to border on fraud and at a minimum is an intentional misrepresentation to garner financial gain. The fact that they are trying to attack the critics rather than admitting that what they did was a mistake and attempting to be more transparent is very distressing. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiffsGamingVideos Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 (edited) That seems legit enough evidence to add to the OP. Thanks for this! You should always list the source of the info in the FAQ. That's the disclaimer in case it is wrong. BTW; On you 1st message on this thread you have the 2 sources listed as 1 and 2. They both go to CNET, Edited June 9, 2018 by BiffsGamingVideos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mockduck Posted June 9, 2018 Author Share Posted June 9, 2018 You should always list the source of the info in the FAQ. That's the disclaimer in case it is wrong. BTW; On you 1st message on this thread you have the 2 sources listed as 1 and 2. They both go to CNET, As you noticed, I did list the source in the FAQ, but will correct the links. Sorry about that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Manhattan Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 I want the Atari VCS to do well... and at some point, I hope others do too as well. I've aired my concerns, but I still put my money down. I hope others can at least appreciate the effort and not revel in the drama. Unfortunately admitting this openly is considered blasphemy to some. Some of those people have already escaped their containment thread from the other board. I actually agree with you though. I will confess that a small part of the reason I support the VCS is to troll some of the folks who just take this whole thing far too seriously. Absolutely no one is the keeper of the faith of the Atari religion. (Except maybe for Albert.) I'm having fun with it and I'm hoping for the best, always looking on the bright side. If it doesn't work out I will have learned a valuable, and somewhat expensive, life lesson. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwhyrock Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 Wrong. https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?url=https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/atarivcsforum/tempest-4000-will-be-on-the-vcs-t21.html&share_tid=21&share_fid=2070172&share_type=t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+x=usr(1536) Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 Wrong. https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?url=https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/atarivcsforum/tempest-4000-will-be-on-the-vcs-t21.html&share_tid=21&share_fid=2070172&share_type=t Yes, but only after several weeks of Atari SA claiming that it was an AtariVCS title when it wasn't. My guess is that Llamasoft 'agreed' to port it in exchange for not suing the living daylights out of Atari SA for misrepresentation. Oh, and likely some very favourable contract terms. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwhyrock Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 You don't know any of that. That's all conjecture. Not fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 If they work in a web browser, they'll work on this ... if you want to run your videos thru a web browser, of course Don't be so sure. I recall Netflix requires Microsoft Silverlight plugin. I have no idea if there a Linux version of it. By using a dedicated app for streaming instead of plain old web browsers, the content owners have tighter control of what happens to the stream. For instance in Firefox, there's tons of downloader plugins which let you download a video source (if it's cached) or capture live streams. Youtube keeps changing it's protocol and the plugins keep getting updated in a game of cat and mouse. By releasing a dedicated "app" that runs outside of web browser, content owners close this loophole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 Personally I dont think I would do that for many reasons over complicates the design, implementation, reliability, and most importantly the cost both to produce and try to sell it for. I think just having another retro inspired version of real actual paddles would be a much better idea. The old Ms Pacman plug n play by Namco (not the janky new one with NES ROM) had a twisty joystick for their Pole Position game. It works well enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 Here is one mention of the rotating joystick from Cnet March 21, 2018. https://www.cnet.com/news/ataribox-atari-vcs-console-linux-hands-on-pc/ "One's a modernized Bluetooth version of Atari's classic joystick -- the joystick rotates to double as a classic Atari paddle" ======================================================= Here is another mention from game informer march 27, 2018: https://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2018/03/27/an-up-close-look-atari-new-console-vcs.aspx "Two controllers were also in the private room Atari based its GDC operations out of. The first controller was slicker rendition of the classic Atari joystick form-factor (with lights that illuminated in the direction you tilt the stick). In addition, the stick rotates to work with games that originally required a paddle controller." I'm happy to be proven wrong about the stick/paddle or not. I personally don't believe they even have a working version yet, so as with the rest, they can make any claim they'd like. I've always suspected it's just another mockup with nothing but lights. That would probably have a twisting stick if there are no innards. As soon as someone does more than mime with it in front of a bogus gameplay video, let us all know. Otherwise, everything's just speculation from their unimpressive hotel room press tour....https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/03/22/atari_lempty_box/ I'll find out soon enough if the shaft has paddle function, when my backer reward arrives. I am getting one joystick and nothing else. In other news, I seen ads targeting this campaign on yahoo. I am now starting to question how much of the Indiegogo money has already been eaten up by advertising... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBerel Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 You and I have very different definitions of soon enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+x=usr(1536) Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 You don't know any of that. That's all conjecture. Not fact. You're partially correct. The part that I (and many, many others) do know is that Llamasoft themselves stated that they knew nothing about any plans for an AtariVCS port of their game. That is fact. Everything onwards from the sentence beginning with, "my guess is that..." is, as you point out, conjecture. Hence why that sentence began with, "my guess is that..." You know, to make it clear that it was a guess on my behalf and not a statement of fact. Hopefully this clarifies things for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 I'll find out soon enough if the shaft has paddle function, when my backer reward arrives. I am getting one joystick and nothing else. In other news, I seen ads targeting this campaign on yahoo. I am now starting to question how much of the Indiegogo money has already been eaten up by advertising... Screenshot_2018-06-09-00-18-49.png You know how web advertising works, right? Your cookies (based on your browsing history) are driving those ad views, not big spending by Atari SA. I have never seen any ads for this catbox, personally. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82-T/A Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 Unfortunately admitting this openly is considered blasphemy to some. Some of those people have already escaped their containment thread from the other board. I actually agree with you though. I will confess that a small part of the reason I support the VCS is to troll some of the folks who just take this whole thing far too seriously. Absolutely no one is the keeper of the faith of the Atari religion. (Except maybe for Albert.) I'm having fun with it and I'm hoping for the best, always looking on the bright side. If it doesn't work out I will have learned a valuable, and somewhat expensive, life lesson. I mean, I have no delusions of what I've put my money into. But I know these people aren't wasting their time either... and I truly do want them to succeed. I don't foresee a massive Atari resurgence of any kind, but I do recognize I'm buying a piece of Atari hardware that's not static... IE: something that can grow with my interests. Part of the reason why I've largely been uninterested (or lost interest) in the Atari Flashbacks. This new system will be an actual computer, with a decent loader. For whatever that comes out to be... I have the ability to put new games on it, and that's cool. Still, I'd love to see the ability for external storage. There are a lot of games that I have on Steam and GOG that are not resource intensive, and I'd love to be able to play them on the TV with my daughter. What "effort" if you don't mind me asking? The Tempest 4K issue to me seems to border on fraud and at a minimum is an intentional misrepresentation to garner financial gain. The fact that they are trying to attack the critics rather than admitting that what they did was a mistake and attempting to be more transparent is very distressing. We are in a new "era" today. 3D printing and the internet have brought an end to corporate monopolies as it applies to the video game industry. That means ventures like this one CAN succeed, with very little overhead. They don't need brick and mortar, they don't need a distribution network, and they don't need the financial backing of a major corporation. Let me ask you... are you an Atari fan? Do you enjoy Atari and are you a fan of the franchise? I'm not going to be condescending, I mean this with sincerity. But... for whatever reasoning drives your aggressive agenda... whether you uniquely care about the individuals investing their money, or you just want to be the Peter Schiff foretelling the housing crash in this situation... I cannot say. But, if you are a fan of Atari, you should have a genuine interest in this succeeding. You certainly aren't helping that with this attitude. There's a large difference between keeping people honest, and being the Ralph Nader of the car industry. Who do you want to be? The one that helps steer the direction of the project, or the one who helps bring it down? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 It's hard to read this with a straight face. I hope you receive everything you are hoping for, and more. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82-T/A Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 It's hard to read this with a straight face. I hope you receive everything you are hoping for, and more. Shoot... I have no problems being the opposing view point. Sometimes I enjoy it. So flame away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 Shoot... I have no problems being the opposing view point. Sometimes I enjoy it. So flame away. I mean with delivery of the AtariBox, not the color commentary. It's your money and the weaknesses are clear (as I think you know). I'd prefer it fail as an example to other cynical, content-free, brand-based cash grabs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiffsGamingVideos Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 (edited) This just in.... $2,765,734 USD raised by 10542 backers which is now #86 all time in crowdfunding (a lot higher is you take out the 30 or so bitcoin ones). Up next, the vegetarian butcher plant based plant food. 84 Opal Nugget Ice Maker Computing hardware Indiegogo Aug 27, 2015 $150K $2,778,019 Opal is an icemaker designed for the enthusiasts: people who drop by their favorite restaurant on the weekend to pick up a bag of that special soft ice 85 The Vegetarian Butcher Plant-Based Plant Food NPEX October 27, 2015 €1M €2.499.500 (legal limit) On October 4 a campaign was started to raise money for the Vegetarian Butcher plant-based plant in Breda. Bonds were issued at a value of €500 each. €2.5 M bonds were sold in three weeks. 86 SCiO: Your Sixth Sense Computing hardware Kickstarter Jun 15, 2014 $200K $2,762,571 A tiny spectrometer (molecular sensor) that allows one to receive instant relevant information about the chemical make-up of food, medicine, and plants, sent directly to one's smartphone. Edited June 9, 2018 by BiffsGamingVideos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwhyrock Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 You're partially correct. The part that I (and many, many others) do know is that Llamasoft themselves stated that they knew nothing about any plans for an AtariVCS port of their game. That is fact. Everything onwards from the sentence beginning with, "my guess is that..." is, as you point out, conjecture. Hence why that sentence began with, "my guess is that..." You know, to make it clear that it was a guess on my behalf and not a statement of fact. Hopefully this clarifies things for you. Actually Jeff Minter I think his name is never said anything about it. It was Giles. The other partner. So one of two members of Llamasoft said it. Again we don't know enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwhyrock Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 I mean, I have no delusions of what I've put my money into. But I know these people aren't wasting their time either... and I truly do want them to succeed. I don't foresee a massive Atari resurgence of any kind, but I do recognize I'm buying a piece of Atari hardware that's not static... IE: something that can grow with my interests. Part of the reason why I've largely been uninterested (or lost interest) in the Atari Flashbacks. This new system will be an actual computer, with a decent loader. For whatever that comes out to be... I have the ability to put new games on it, and that's cool. Still, I'd love to see the ability for external storage. There are a lot of games that I have on Steam and GOG that are not resource intensive, and I'd love to be able to play them on the TV with my daughter. We are in a new "era" today. 3D printing and the internet have brought an end to corporate monopolies as it applies to the video game industry. That means ventures like this one CAN succeed, with very little overhead. They don't need brick and mortar, they don't need a distribution network, and they don't need the financial backing of a major corporation. Let me ask you... are you an Atari fan? Do you enjoy Atari and are you a fan of the franchise? I'm not going to be condescending, I mean this with sincerity. But... for whatever reasoning drives your aggressive agenda... whether you uniquely care about the individuals investing their money, or you just want to be the Peter Schiff foretelling the housing crash in this situation... I cannot say. But, if you are a fan of Atari, you should have a genuine interest in this succeeding. You certainly aren't helping that with this attitude. There's a large difference between keeping people honest, and being the Ralph Nader of the car industry. Who do you want to be? The one that helps steer the direction of the project, or the one who helps bring it down? Amen brother! About storage, I thought you could hook up an external hard drive to the VCS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zonie Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 (edited) The old Ms Pacman plug n play by Namco (not the janky new one with NES ROM) had a twisty joystick for their Pole Position game. It works well enough. Yep. Knew I had one like that somewhere... Edited June 9, 2018 by Zonie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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