+MrFish Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 (edited) Does anyone have an original OSS, ICD, or FTe copy of any Mac/65 disk version that they can image to file, or that they'd be willing to mail to someone who could image the disk to file for them? Apparently one hasn't been made yet (or hasn't been verified to be so). Edited June 16, 2018 by MrFish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grover Torbel Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Here: https://atariwiki.org/wiki/Wiki.jsp?page=Mac65 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted June 16, 2018 Author Share Posted June 16, 2018 (edited) Here: https://atariwiki.org/wiki/Wiki.jsp?page=Mac65 Thanks, but as you can see in this thread those aren't the goods. The emphasis here is on an "original" copy, of the disk's full contents (possibly double-sided). We may have it all in the various copies combined, but without an original copy for comparison, there's no way of knowing for sure. Edited June 16, 2018 by MrFish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grover Torbel Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Ah, sorry. Thought that was to easy. [emoji6] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted June 16, 2018 Author Share Posted June 16, 2018 No problem. I have one such copy on my site already: Mac/65 - Disk. Most likely the disk that was sold just had those contents minus DOS 2.5 and add OS/A+ or DOS XL (for the later distributions) But it'd be good to have the original for historical preservation and to answer some questions. Most of it's pretty obvious, but an original image will settle things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 The copy I have I'm fairly sure was on an OS/A+ floppy. As luck would have it, I've not got an imported ATR handy or the means to quickly check the disk.Pretty sure the contents were fairly minimal. I do have a file copy though of MAC65 itself from the disk, it IDs as: OSS MAC/65 MACRO ASSEMBLER 2.00 (c) 1982 Stephen D. Lawrow I can't remember if the disk also came with DDT - I can remember only assembling to disk with it and just debugging by the run and see method. As to the origin of mine - probably a multi generational copy so not necessarily reflecting what came on the original. Running it under Dos 2.5 - I remember it being problematic in that it doesn't rerun when you press Reset, and has no means to return from DOS. I wrote a quick program called "RUNMAC" which just jumps to the proper vector. But just tried it out, a bit of test source code I type in gets corrupted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ijor Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Does anyone have an original OSS, ICD, or FTe copy of any Mac/65 disk version that they can image to file, or that they'd be willing to mail to someone who could image the disk to file for them? Apparently one hasn't been made yet (or hasn't been verified to be so). Hmm, I think we have at Farb's preservation torrent, don't we? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted June 16, 2018 Author Share Posted June 16, 2018 Hmm, I think we have at Farb's preservation torrent, don't we? Maybe in the next edition, IDK. But not in the latest edition. It's the first place I went looking, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted June 16, 2018 Author Share Posted June 16, 2018 (edited) Running it under Dos 2.5 - I remember it being problematic in that it doesn't rerun when you press Reset, and has no means to return from DOS. I wrote a quick program called "RUNMAC" which just jumps to the proper vector. But just tried it out, a bit of test source code I type in gets corrupted. Interesting, but not surprising -- their catering to their own DOS. All the more reason to fix up the version on my site until a genuine copy shows up (it has DOS 2.5 on it). I'll probably just reconstruct a likely candidate... Edited June 16, 2018 by MrFish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 I'm fairly sure even with the "original" as I received it, pressing Reset would dump you back into the DOS CP. It was just a matter of examining the binary to get the run address, then you could just type RUN xxxx to get it going again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted June 16, 2018 Author Share Posted June 16, 2018 (edited) I only ever used the cart version. So, I'm not familiar with any particulars of the disk version at all. Here's the contents of the disks on my site. I'm gonna go through the documentation, see what's in there. I might even consolidate it all and make a PDF doc for the disk version, in lieu of the original paper copy. Those WTR files are documentation too. Edited June 16, 2018 by MrFish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CharlieChaplin Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 (edited) The copy I have is from FTE (non-original) and includes a small blurb, that this is a shareware diskversion of Mac65 (version 4.20) to be exclusively used with PC Xformer and one should support shareware authors. It originally contained SpartaDOS 3.2 (most likely 3.2f) and a Startup.BAT that loaded the Readme.TXT; however, I replaced SpartaDOS with TurboDOS XL/XE, so the Startup.Bat is not executed anymore (use TYP *.TXT to read the text with Turbo-DOS)... The Mac65 file on the disk is 121 sectors in length, contains several data-segments, but no RUN adress (which is no problem for SpartaDOS, since it will use the first data-segment $8000-xxxx as a run adress, however most DOS 2.x versions including Turbo-DOS XL/XE will not run the file)... As far as I can see, it is already in the Atariwiki and you also linked to it, so no need to upload it again. Edited June 16, 2018 by CharlieChaplin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bandit Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 From what I remember, some of the updates came in the disk news letter. Iam unable to make ATR as my old sio2pc or old laptop one is not working. soon as I fix if no one else has uploaded I will. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted June 16, 2018 Author Share Posted June 16, 2018 (edited) No rush; I now have an original copy of v4.20 with DOS XL -- which will soon go up on my website. But, it will be nice to have your version too, as it looks like (by the size of the file) it's version 2.0, and you've got it with OS/A+ there too. Do you, by any chance, still have a copy of the printed manual that came with it? Edited June 16, 2018 by MrFish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariGeezer Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 From what I remember, some of the updates came in the disk news letter. Iam unable to make ATR as my old sio2pc or old laptop one is not working. soon as I fix if no one else has uploaded I will. Here's an ATR of that from my collection. MAC-65-01.ATR 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted June 16, 2018 Author Share Posted June 16, 2018 Cool! That's one you imaged yourself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariGeezer Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Yup, imaged from from my disks, not from an online resource... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted June 16, 2018 Author Share Posted June 16, 2018 Yup, imaged from from my disks, not from an online resource... Alright, great. Now all we need is a copy of the printed manual. Thanks for helping out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted June 16, 2018 Author Share Posted June 16, 2018 (edited) Alright, here's a link to an image of the original Mac/65 v4.2 disk, which has DOS XL 2.3 with it. Edited June 16, 2018 by MrFish 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bandit Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 (edited) Alright, great. Now all we need is a copy of the printed manual. Thanks for helping out. Back in the day we would tear the manual apart to put in binders . It's 96 pages, I will take to a friend to scan in a few weeks if still needed, however if atarigeezer also had original disk he must have the manual also ? Edited June 16, 2018 by bandit 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted June 16, 2018 Author Share Posted June 16, 2018 Back in the day we would tear the manual apart to put in binders . It's 96 pages, I will take to a friend to scan in a few weeks if still needed, however if atarigeezer also had original disk he must have the manual also ? Good to hear you've got a copy. I guess we'll see what Geezer replies about having a copy or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariGeezer Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 I have no idea where mine is, still need to organize my books and docs which are in many boxes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted June 16, 2018 Author Share Posted June 16, 2018 I have no idea where mine is, still need to organize my books and docs which are in many boxes... Sounds like a Bob1200XL story... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bandit Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 I have put all the Important docs into these binders, makes using very easy (though I do not use anymore) My friend is out of state and will be back in a few weeks, I will do it then. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted June 17, 2018 Author Share Posted June 17, 2018 I have put all the Important docs into these binders, makes using very easy (though I do not use anymore) My friend is out of state and will be back in a few weeks, I will do it then. Alright, thanks for helping out. We'll wait for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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