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#26 Greyfox OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:44 AM

Hey, thank You Lost Dragon, this would be wonderful thanks, I've been so busy putting together spreads for the book, getting a ton of writing done and then formulating questions for the many interviewees I have have contacted me when they've seen what the book will be, it's incredible that I am now talking with those that made games I adored as a kid. It's all surreal.

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Posted Sat Jul 14, 2018 5:00 AM

Well..

You have the misc info from Chris Abbot.

GTW have given me a FB contact you might like to try.

You've the support of an old Atari contact of mine.

The misc info from the PS2 coder i sent over.

It's all very scattered and raw,but i am sure you can weave it into the book somehow.

Is there a deadline for submission of material?

No point sending you any odds n sods if they can't be used.

I'd just send them to Atarimania instead.

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Posted Sat Jul 14, 2018 5:16 AM

Yes, it's starting to pile up now, so going to be headlining the submissions for now late August and early September to have content then submitted for grammar and proofreading by my guy. So I will try and get everything in

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Posted Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:17 AM

Sounding like the book has real potential.

I've found the information that interests myself the most,has come from dedicated projects on Ocean/U.S Gold/Gremlin Graphics /Bitmap Bros etc..

Along with likes of Atari Crypt interviews, the interview with Daniel Macre from Lankhor you had in ST Gamer magazine.

Also likes of Arcade Attack doing fantastic Jaguar related interviews..

Tom Charnock doing a superb piece on the Iron Soldier games.

If you can get enough fresh faces onboard doing reviews,articles and interviews, you'll be doing the A8 proud.

You've come a long way since Atari Gamer magazine.

I'm sure it's been a learning curve,but if you can put the lessons learned into good effect, you'll have something to be very proud of.

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Posted Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:34 AM

Thanks fella really appreciate your praise

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Posted Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:52 AM

I only say the same to you,as i do to likes of Atari Crypt, arcade Attack etc.

I'm all too aware of just how time consuming and frustrating, just getting a stand alone interview can be.

When you guys reach industry folks that are beyond my humble reach and the supposed Big Guns and their resources have yet to cover for what ever reason, you should be thanked and supported.

Without the efforts you all put in, the information simply wouldn't be out there, would it?.

I subscribed to likes of Edge,Gamestm and RetroGamer for countless years and learnt a lot about likes of A8 Elite, ST chuck Rock II,etc, but on the flipside...

Bought the Gremlin Graphics book, History of US Gold etc


So many potential interview candidates were missed, questions not asked when chance was available.


So i've had to reach out to people and get the answers myself.

:-D Damn sight easier for me to simply sit back and enjoy the work you guys do now, then risk buying a magazine and hope there is an article or 2 of interest.

I've not returned to gaming on the A8 since i moved from it to the C64 years and years ago, but like the 2600,i still love reading about it, if it's done right.

The Art Of Atari book for example was pure hog heaven for myself, if your A8 book can fill a similar void in my book collection, you'll have done the community proud.

It sounds like you have them onboard..so confidence is high.

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Posted Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:18 AM

Not sure if you've any plans to cover Databyte.. But if you do, best of luck.

When i interviewed Geoff Philips for GTW, i asked about Databyte's Adam Caveman and had this reply:


Geoff :I would ask Tim Holland if I had any contact with him… but he disappeared from my radar. I asked Richard Spitalny of First Star if they knew where he was, and he did kindly reply, but he did not know either. Databyte was, as far as I knew, just Tim Holland, with help from his girlfriend Karen. No-one, as far as I know actually worked there with him – I suppose there may of been people like myself working at remote sites and sending stuff in.

I think he (Databyte) was more of a distributor of American games.. but I could be wrong. I got to know Tim through Orpheus, and we did many conversions for him, and often went down to see him at Kentish Town, and later Hampstead. Tim was very fond of his Atari.. The name Adam Caveman does ring a bell but I could not swear to it.

If these guys lost contact with Tim
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Posted Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:38 PM

It would've been nice to include some stuff from Electronic Arts, for example. Their stuff shined on Atari, M.U.L.E.,Archon, Pinball Construction Set, The seven cities of Gold and other.



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Posted Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:06 AM

Sorry to be the bearer of more bad news but just had a message from GTW regarding the FB contact who's details they gave me for your book.

Apparently the guy hardly ever goes on Z FB, it took months for him to reply to GTW...

You might get lucky, but if you have a deadline for contributions, chances are he will reply after it's long expired.

Didn't want you going in with false hopes here..

Sorry pal

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Posted Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:04 PM

It would've been nice to include some stuff from Electronic Arts, for example. Their stuff shined on Atari, M.U.L.E.,Archon, Pinball Construction Set, The seven cities of Gold and other.


These are all in here too fella, leaving nothing out for the true Atari 8-bit fan. Enjoy :)

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Posted Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:09 AM

A challenge for you then Greyfox.

How about no score or ratings when it comes to looking back at A8 games, in any section of the book..and no top 10 or 25 lists....

Simply let the review text speak for itself? .

That way, people can decide for themselves if they want to try a particular game and you avoid all the daft nonsense of people saying how on earth did game A only get ##% or #/10.

Up for it?

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Posted Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:27 PM

This isn't a magazine-style approach and will not cover any form of bias rating of the games and was personally a huge regret for myself incorporating these with my Atari Gamer magazine, as it labels the games under a ranking and potentially stopping those that never experienced them cast a shadow of doubt based on somebody else's opinion which could in turn, they've either never played the game on real hardware at the time of the original games release or watched a youtube video of gameplay to make up there mind if the game was worthy of a high or low score based on viewing, this to me is simply slandering the game with a bias rating and it's even worse when it's completely inaccurate too after you've played the game only to discover it is a lot better than you were led to believe.

So NO! there will be, thank god!, nothing like this in the book.

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Posted Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:06 PM

I personally find the top # games/movies etc articles in mainstream magazines to be little more than filler.

Votes cast on social media and it always ends with people claiming results are rigged etc.

It doesn't belong in a book.

The other factor with review scores..espically on the A8 is what are you going to do?

Give seperate scores/ratings for the 16K and 32K versions of certain titles?

What about those avaiable on Tape..Disk and Cartridge?

If the reviewer is just pulling them off a flash cart or using an emulator. .the experience is going to differ from someone praying the likes of Red Max or Ace Of Aces will load and be worth the 20 min+ loading times.

Have you specified any review conditions to your contributors?

I'm asking these questions because your looking to sell me a product, a product i know seek out rather than subscribe to magazines and i want to know how it's going to differ from the PDF magazines you've previously done, as i am sure others do.

So your time in answering is appreciated.

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Posted Fri Aug 24, 2018 1:26 PM

Just a brief update for those you following this wonderful project in production, I thought I'd give this a new update. So well into the 200+ page count so far and doesn't seem to be slowing down and I'm incredibly humbled by those that have contributed to the book so far and to those that have been so supportive of the project, this is going to be amazing to hold in your hands and to be able to have an Atari 8-bit of majestic proportions

So here is some recent pages created in the Gumball factory.
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Posted Sat Aug 25, 2018 3:55 AM

Looking fantastic my friend.

Some great memories brought back by the titles shown.

Poured hours into Feud. .another of the A8's very brown looking games.. (not sure if you plan to cover Gremlin Graphics:Basil The Great Mouse Detective?)..

A very quick n dirty port..bugged as well.

But A8 Dropzone. ..simply THE version to play, if you had the skills.

This is looking like a fantastic coffee table book.

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Posted Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:33 AM

Just forwarded over a name you might like to try contacting...if it's of no use, i will suggest it to Antic for a future podcast.

To hear a Sega coder talk of his early A8 work, how advanced the hardware really was etc made for nice reading.

Never expected him to say the A8 hardware did things better than the Sega Genesis, but sadly he didn't go into specifics

He did name who in his view, was the first to realize music should be an integral part of A8 games.

Anywho, see what you think.

His personal website is now dead,but he does appear on FB, that's an area i cannot help you with though.

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Posted Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:04 AM

Looks awesome bud.



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Posted Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:52 AM

Amazing work Greyfox!!!  Keep it up man!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:



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Posted Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:47 PM

I will just leave this here 😉

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