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#1 Tezz OFFLINE  

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Posted Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:27 AM



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Posted Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:22 PM

:thumbsup:

That's a fantastic video (I skipped some of the design bit in the middle)

looking forward to the final part :)



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Posted Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:44 PM

That is, a whole fucking level of awesome.

 

Can't wait for part 2.



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Posted Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:34 PM

i had hoped he wasnt stopping the show - he's a modding legend but the final project is great news for A8 fans!

in his conversation video he says he will make more gaming portables, make movies and maybe a recycled house.

Who knows, maybe he'll get "homesick" and return to youtube with his unique wisdom and regrettable acting :)



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Posted Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:39 PM

as usual, WTF?!?!?!?       :)



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Posted Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:39 PM

Does anyone know what the completed footprint of his board will be? Looking forward to Part 2 :).

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Posted Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:00 AM

The man is a heretic....Portable Atari...Cast him to hell....

 

But only after I see part two....



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Posted Sat Jul 14, 2018 5:14 AM

Downloading now, I'll be watching on the proper TV and will comment later.



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Posted Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:17 AM

You will need part two that's not done yet to may any proper comments...Its really just a lead in to the project with a bit of CAD stuff so far..



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Posted Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:42 AM

WTH with the Pie Man crap?   9 minutes wasted there, I tolerated about 2 of it.

 

Good episode, will be interesting to see the final result.

My thought early on was why not go multi-layer and have the large chips on either side to save space?


Edited by Rybags, Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:50 AM.


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Posted Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:01 AM

WTH with the Pie Man crap?   9 minutes wasted there, I tolerated about 2 of it.

 

Good episode, will be interesting to see the final result.

My thought early on was why not go multi-layer and have the large chips on either side to save space?

 

It's a show joke based on that "regrettable acting" bit in the opening credits. I can't remember the exact genesis of it all, but he *has* made a lot of projects with Raspberry Pi's.



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Posted Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:39 AM

Regrettable acting I can go for but so much of it...Don't know who the side kick is but you can see he's not that in to it..

 

I watched up to some of the CAD stuff but I like the actual electronics hands on bit more, the design just goes by so slowly for me...



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Posted Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:01 AM

You will need part two that's not done yet to may any proper comments...Its really just a lead in to the project with a bit of CAD stuff so far..


The reason I asked about the board footprint has to do with the 3 different Mini-ITX alternative A8 boards that emerged in 2017 (yep there were no less than 3 of them, including my own 1088XEL). What I'm seeing so far in Ben Heck's design doesn't look to be much smaller, and I agree with Rybags on the idea of layering both the top and bottom, or perhaps doing a hybrid design with SMD where possible like on the compact 5200 project. I wonder if Ben is even aware of the existing projects? The Polish board that was created last year is using the same chip set as Ben's board, and is based on a reduced size 130XE (started out as a 65XE design). So my thinking is if his board isn't any smaller, then why go through all of this, and duplicate other's efforts. Being aimed at portabi!ity it would seem that you would want something much smaller instead.

Just my 3 cents (there goes that darn inflation once again).

And I find myself in full agreement with others on that PieMan crap. WTF is right :)

None the less, still a great episode, and I can hardly wait for the next one.



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Posted Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:45 AM

Michael, I actually posted a comment on the video pointing out first of all that there is a ready made library with Atari parts for Eagle CAD, so he could have saved himself some time: http://atariage.com/...-parts-library/

(Done by fellow Dutchman IvoP, thanks Ivo, it was a great when designing AntiX, even though I only used the ANTIC part ;).....oh and.....FREDDIE's missing in that library ;) )

 

Also I linked to your website about the 1088XEL Michael mentioning that it was a mini ITX sized PCB for the original A8 chipset and that he could have used it instead of designing one from the bottom up.....

 

(Yeah I realize the point of the show is showing HIS hacks but even so... :D )

 

What is that other guy actually doing there ? What is the added value ? Nothing, zero. He looks to be completely bored. What is it with VLOGs that as soon as they become sponsored, they bring in a "side-kick" ?? 

Never mind...

What I found extremely funny that Ben obviously never discovered the BUS in Eagle and draws 16 individual lines between each part for the adressbus and 8 for the databus..... I wouldn't count myself as an expert in Eagle, in fact, I was forced to learn it to develop AntiX but I watched a lot of (good) youtube videos how to do things and did even some old-fashioned reading of websites....and even I know how to do a bus on Eagle. Because when I started drawing the addresses lines, at the third one I thought: Wait a minute....do I really have to draw 16 individual lines ?? naahhh, can't be, there must be a smarter way :)

Then again, maybe Ben does this on purpose to keep it simple for the viewers....no idea....

O well...I still find his projects pretty cool, especially his Atari stuff. And het has almost all the A8 details correctly, which I like :)


Oh uhmmmm, who else noticed how poorly soldered in the EPROM socket was.... it sat crooked... Yeah I guess it was just temporary but this is a show that should set an example.....


Edited by Level42, Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:57 AM.


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Posted Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:02 AM

Yeah I stand corrected on a few points I made. Apparently he is using some SMD and nesting that inside the larger chip footprints to reduce the overall size. When I took a screenshot and scaled it in my CAD program, I can see that he already has reduced the footprint substantially from a Mini-ITX.

 

BenHeck_in-process_board.png

 

So he's heading in the right direction  :) .



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Posted Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:21 AM

That keyboard (PCB)  looks to become interesting too....does he share his designs ? I have no clue ....LOL



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Posted Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:40 PM

I have to admit, this is a completely new approach.
But I already saw a portable A800XL in 2006.
Mr.Atari (Sijmen) showed it to me as we met in
'Sandkrug' germany. I remember there was a
SpongeBob movie playing on thr LCD Monitor.

I couldn't find a picture of it however.

Stefan

Edited by Stefan Both, Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:41 PM.


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Posted Sat Jul 14, 2018 5:32 PM

You mean Beetle's awesome 1500XL:

 

atari_laptop.jpg

 

https://atariage.com...11#entry1310511

 

I met Beetle a good number of years ago at a retro fair in Schiedam and saw the 1500XL in person......I was searching if I could find any "weldings" or seems.....nope.....completly invisible......it's an _AWESOME_ machine in real-life.

 

 

Also found video:

 


Edited by Level42, Sat Jul 14, 2018 5:37 PM.


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Posted Sun Jul 15, 2018 3:20 AM

Beetle, sure likes a slightly demeaning nick but the work looks great...

 

Hoping the main board gets smaller...

 

Well as its the end of him doing it after this I guess Pie Man will be in retirement but not a day too soon :)



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Posted Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:32 PM

Oh but Pie man is a lot of fun....... if you're 11 years of age...



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Posted Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:46 PM

Oh but Pie man is a lot of fun....... if you're 11 years of age...

Heeheehee - mmmmph - heehee.  You said pie.

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Posted Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:32 PM

it's worse        he said but

    and  he said pie!

butt pie



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Posted Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:55 AM

Lol.....I'm glad we really are not getting older...its good to know :)



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Posted Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:04 AM

I was so into the show last year, that when they changed the show opening this year, I had to comment the old one was better.
Lots of others must have also, because now they are cycling through all of them.

This year, deciding to focus on 2 large projects was a good idea, but the choice of a mini pinball and a super motorized glue gun lost my interest.

So glad he is ending with the Atari 8-bit home computer!

Too bad it's not a step-by-step.
They mention what is needed, show some of the process they need to do, then show how that part of the project turned out.

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Posted Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:51 AM

I was so into the show last year, that when they changed the show opening this year, I had to comment the old one was better.
Lots of others must have also, because now they are cycling through all of them.

This year, deciding to focus on 2 large projects was a good idea, but the choice of a mini pinball and a super motorized glue gun lost my interest.

So glad he is ending with the Atari 8-bit home computer!

Too bad it's not a step-by-step.
They mention what is needed, show some of the process they need to do, then show how that part of the project turned out.

when's a super duper Atari 800 XL XE GS port of Berzerk Who going to make it's way into the world






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