Nintendo nukes LoveRoms.com

[Tanooki]

That's kind of a childish attitude(about them being greedy). A company (or even a person to cover anything here for the argument) is greedy if they try and defend their own property by whatever legal or even physically legal methods allowed? This isn't the USSA (United Socialist States of America) where everything is freely and evenly distributed to the people.

 

Seriously why is this a surprise? Nintendo has been taking people, sites, and companies out for decades. They're random and tactical about it, not just a tsunami of hurt to anything that they come by. Those who take those extra steps to rip them off making high quality bootlegs, charging for ROMs they don't own in various means, fraud copycats of other IP related merchandise and they're on you. If you're lucky it's usually just a take down, but for those really going that added mile to rob a buck they'll clean you out too.

 

I see no reason to be against Nintendo on this. What would your stance be if you had made a product (not necessarily a game) or had a company that did. Then some douche comes along, steals it, then sells it to make money. Would you be ok with this? Would any of you honestly say they don't give a damn and would do nothing to stop it? You're a socialist, a communist, an idiot, or in denial to be fine with it really.

 

 

They haven't poked a stick at this for awhile, but LoveROMS were morons. They were not just another torrent or web site like cool rom or emulation paradise places with links. Those idiots not only hosted the files, but they also live ran them using an emulator on their own site and charged money for games they didn't own too. That was basically like walking up to their lawyers with an open laptop or phone, smiling, giving them the finger and telling them eat a dick what are you going to do about it? Them standing there and thinking that would work out for them.

 

Nintendo since the 2000s has made good money on their old games and so have some third parties who backed things too. GBA saw Classic NES carts and others like even Capcom, Hudson, Technos and others in the US/Japan released multi-ROM NES compilation carts, not to mention those lame eReader NES games. The Gamecube had Animal Crossing and more. Since then you had the birth of the virtual console on the pre-NIntendo network, then it re-done yet again on WiiU and the 3DS too, and finally now they have their closed multi-rom NES/SNES mini consoles. Of course they're going to stomp the hell out of fools playing around in their profit margin and with them actively trolling these old games it makes more sense NOT to take a blind eye to it as they have in waves before when they weren't dredging up the past.

 

I'm not sorry but I have no sympathy for them or anyone here or elsewhere bitching that Nintendo is evil, they're profiteers, they're ruining the hobby, and other sorry lines. You'd hypocritically do the same thing in their shoes.

Edited July 25, 2018 by Tanooki

[Atari PAC-MAN Fan]

Good riddance. That site always showed up in search results (NOT NES games, mind you) but the downloads were full of fake app malware installs. It was a skeevy sure, even by ROM site standards.

 

'Nuff said. Never download from sites that make you do stupid sh*t like installing programs and drivers just to get your file.

[youxia]

This isn't the USSA (United Socialist States of America) where everything is freely and evenly distributed to the people.

[...]

I see no reason to be against Nintendo on this. What would your stance be if you had made a product (not necessarily a game) or had a company that did. Then some douche comes along, steals it, then sells it to make money. Would you be ok with this? Would any of you honestly say they don't give a damn and would do nothing to stop it? You're a socialist, a communist, an idiot, or in denial to be fine with it really.

 

Funny to see real 'Murica! zeal and ranting against pinkos in this topic. It's quite telling though. And the fact that you also sound like a junior copywriter on that classic "you wouldn't steal a car" ad or those PSAs telling us we'll get viruses from "bad sites" is added comedy value.

 

I don't give 2 $hits about loveroms or any other dishonest sites of its ilk. Them going down is not the point, the point is that Nintendo moves into next gear with their strongarm tactics and this might start another witchhunt, with other big playas joining in. And next time the casualties may be more significant, such as some decent repositories, emulators or archive.org.

 

Those who choose to live in a righteous bubble utilising tunnel-vision logic will of course continue to do so, but the rest of us might take note.

[mr_me]

When copyright laws were first created, terms were about 20 years non-renewable; the same as patents are today. Why have lawmakers continuously extended copyright terms? It's because of greedy corporations. Rather than create something new they want to make money doing nothing. I'm not saying Nintendo is one of those greedy companies. They haven't stopped all sites sharing their roms and maybe some should be shut down.

 

It's true that some game companies have sourced their rom image files from the work of outside volunteers. That includes emulator developers that have shared their work for everyone's benefit, including billion dollar corporations. I wouldn't be surprised if some had no internal archives of their old properties.

[Video]

Noooo, where else can I get Nintendo dome from? It's not like their not everywhere.

 

Seriously though, good for them (nintendo) not like they'll have much effect on the market one way or another. Before this topic I had never even heard of loveroms, though to be fair, I've been out of active emulation and rom collecting for years now.

[F34R]

I'm not against Nintendo on this. I will never have a ROM that is from a game that is available for retail sale. If I want the game, I'll buy it if it's available from the company/licensed seller.

[Tanooki]

youxia nothing murrica, it was a joke rooted in some truth.

 

You seem bent into this little dream land where all information should be free and anyone can have it and that's that. I'm saying people or corporations who create things have a right to stomp out thieves. If you want to call protecting your shit tunnel vision, fine.

 

I hope you're robbed, your home cleaned of every scrap of any monetary value. Let's see how you feel about someone taking what you've bought or created. Will you take the socialism attitude of meh whatever, everyone has a right to have stuff, or will you be upset, pissed off, and looking to get it back or compensation from insurance? It's all fine and well when it's not you being screwed, but let's see if you stand on those morals when you're the victim or are you just a grandstanding hypocrite?

[Andromeda Stardust]

youxia nothing murrica, it was a joke rooted in some truth.

 

You seem bent into this little dream land where all information should be free and anyone can have it and that's that. I'm saying people or corporations who create things have a right to stomp out thieves. If you want to call protecting your shit tunnel vision, fine.

 

I hope you're robbed, your home cleaned of every scrap of any monetary value. Let's see how you feel about someone taking what you've bought or created. Will you take the socialism attitude of meh whatever, everyone has a right to have stuff, or will you be upset, pissed off, and looking to get it back or compensation from insurance? It's all fine and well when it's not you being screwed, but let's see if you stand on those morals when you're the victim or are you just a grandstanding hypocrite?

Downloading game ROMs for game systems way past their marketability isn't exactly the same as breaking into someone's house and stealing. Nintendo has made bank on the NES Classics and so on, yes, but I'm not sure how a few downloads are really hurting their bottom dollar. I'm not breaking into your house and stealing your games. I'm just downloading copies of crap I already have stuffing my game shelf, and a lot that I don't.

[Montrealer]

 

Funny to see real 'Murica! zeal and ranting against pinkos in this topic. It's quite telling though. And the fact that you also sound like a junior copywriter on that classic "you wouldn't steal a car" ad or those PSAs telling us we'll get viruses from "bad sites" is added comedy value.

 

I don't give 2 $hits about loveroms or any other dishonest sites of its ilk. Them going down is not the point, the point is that Nintendo moves into next gear with their strongarm tactics and this might start another witchhunt, with other big playas joining in. And next time the casualties may be more significant, such as some decent repositories, emulators or archive.org.

 

Those who choose to live in a righteous bubble utilising tunnel-vision logic will of course continue to do so, but the rest of us might take note.

 

I'm glad you mentioned it, because Nintendo did​ go against archive.org to have them take Nintendo Power issues out from their site.

[Tempest]

Fixed your typo f]]]

[Tanooki]

And again that was Nintendo's right with archive.org. Just because it's an internet archive doesn't mean they can shove anything up there without permission and hope it stays.

 

I guess I shouldn't be surprised a site about old games with a heap of people into piracy using kits, emulators, and the rest would not take my side and got all bitchy about mean old Nintendo coming after their ROMs. If Nintendo want to be a-holes about their stuff, suck it up and deal with it. It's very clear no matter what they do they can't stop stuff from being online as once the gates are open it's over. But if they want to selectively go after people charging for stolen goods, hosting them for a fee, or peddling knockoff merch that's their choice and should at least be respected even if you hate it. Sure it would be better on us if they cared as little as Sega does about basically everything, but that just isn't going to happen. But, arguing like they're evil, to blame, or at fault is just delusional.

[John Stamos Mullet]

NARC!

 

Seriously though - enforcing copyrights for a commercially viable, contemporary IP, stil sold new at retail, for the purpose of ensuring the original artists/writers/coders etc. are remunerated for their work is completely acceptable.

 

Chasing down rom sites for games that are long since sold at retail for nearly 25 years, and for which none of the original design staff or coders are receiving a penny anymore - ewww. It's a bit like suing homeless people for squatting in an abandoned factory warehouse, and expecting them to pay rent to a guy on a yacht in the caribbean, who owns multiple properties and who has never once contributed anything to homeless charities.

Edited July 25, 2018 by John Stamos Mullet

[Flojomojo]

I don't think the homeless guy is getting sued -- just threatened with a lawsuit if he doesn't GTFO.

 

This isn't really "news," it's dog-bites-man standard operating procedure. Of course Nintendo looks after their IP, because that's what they do.

[Keatah]

NARC!

 

Seriously though - enforcing copyrights for a commercially viable, contemporary IP, stil sold new at retail, for the purpose of ensuring the original artists/writers/coders etc. are remunerated for their work is completely acceptable.

 

Chasing down rom sites for games that are long since sold at retail for nearly 25 years, and for which none of the original design staff or coders are receiving a penny anymore - ewww. It's a bit like suing homeless people for squatting in an abandoned factory warehouse, and expecting them to pay rent to a guy on a yacht in the caribbean, who owns multiple properties and who has never once contributed anything to homeless charities.

 

Or done anything good for society other than be a leech himself.

[Flojomojo]

Or done anything good for society other than be a leech himself.

Now now, this is Nintendo we are talking about, not the shambling corpse wearing the skin of "Atari."

[John Stamos Mullet]

Now now, this is Nintendo we are talking about, not the shambling corpse wearing the skin of "Atari."

Right - instead of doing nothing, they were using illegal exclusivity contracts and mob intimidation tactics with 3rd party developers for a decade until they got sued.

 

you're right - my homeless person/empty factory analogy was bad.

 

This is more like Epic Records getting Youtube shut down because fans of Michael Jackson were listening to his music via fan uploaded videos on Youtube, and then not giving any of the proceeds of the lawsuit to Michael's estate.

Edited July 25, 2018 by John Stamos Mullet

[Flojomojo]

This is more like Epic Records getting Youtube shut down because fans of Michael Jackson were listening to his music via fan uploaded videos on Youtube, and then not giving any of the proceeds of the lawsuit to Michael's estate.

 

I think you've got the breathless outrage down pat, but your sense of scale is a bit out of whack. It's more like the rights holder shutting down individual YouTube channels for infringement ... just like Nintendo did a few years ago when people were streaming their games. YouTube and Nintendo are roughly equal in size/influence, and I don't think either one could shut down the other.

 

In any case, we get it, you don't like Nintendo's strong-arm tactics. Others around these parts have criticized them for what they see as selective enforcement.

 

I agree they did bad things (only "illegal" if someone successfully sues, it seems) in the 1980s. No one is going to stand for that today, and this is a different issue.

[John Stamos Mullet]

 

I think you've got the breathless outrage down pat, but your sense of scale is a bit out of whack. It's more like the rights holder shutting down individual YouTube channels for infringement ... just like Nintendo did a few years ago when people were streaming their games. YouTube and Nintendo are roughly equal in size/influence, and I don't think either one could shut down the other.

 

In any case, we get it, you don't like Nintendo's strong-arm tactics. Others around these parts have criticized them for what they see as selective enforcement.

 

I agree they did bad things (only "illegal" if someone successfully sues, it seems) in the 1980s. No one is going to stand for that today, and this is a different issue.

It's not breathless, nor outrage - it's humor, garnished with sarcasm. but thanks for noticing. In general, big corporations going after "the little guy" is a bad look. Doubly so when it's done to enforce "justice" for a wholly victimless minor transgression.

 

I don't care that they took down one random romsite. I've never even been to that site in particular. Though - it kinda sucks that the whole site is gone, rather than just the Nintendo-specific contents removed.

 

Now if the argument is that this site was generating profit from these roms - I'm all for removing them. Selling something you're not legally entitled to monetize is complete bullshit.

[+Gemintronic]

Now now, this is Nintendo we are talking about, not the shambling corpse wearing the skin of "Atari."

 

You obviously have accidentally removed your obedience speaker hat. You should report yourself to the authorities immediatly for assistance!

 

[Flojomojo]

@ mullet

I'm with you on the david vs. goliath thing, but loveroms.com was no innocent victim, it's not like it was a fan tribute project. It was a junk-infested scummy piracy site, no great loss. Its whole purpose was to glean advertising money from dishing out roms after forcing people to vote for stuff and click through ads.

[derFunkenstein]

@ mullet

I'm with you on the david vs. goliath thing, but loveroms.com was no innocent victim, it's not like it was a fan tribute project. It was a junk-infested scummy piracy site, no great loss. Its whole purpose was to glean advertising money from dishing out roms after forcing people to vote for stuff and click through ads.

Yeah I agree. If it was EmuParadise Id be broken up. Partly because Im a donor there.

[Andromeda Stardust]

ROM sites are like anthills to Nintendo. No matter how many you spritz out with poison or whatever, the fireant colonies keep on infesting your yard building their ugly mounds everywhere. And the fans are little hungry moneyless Ardvarks slurping up ants (ROMs) from the anthills. You wouldn't want to kill off their only food supply, would you Nintendo???

[Flojomojo]

Some court papers here

https://torrentfreak.com/loveroms-owner-hopes-to-settle-nintendos-copyright-lawsuit-180824/

 

[phoenixdownita]

One more:

nintendo shuts down tool used to build pokemon fan games

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/08/nintendo-shuts-down-tool-used-to-build-pokemon-fan-games/

[pacman000]

^ Now that one hurts.