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#1 neglectoru OFFLINE  

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Posted Thu Aug 2, 2018 7:24 AM

(Inspired by the recent Antic interview about Pascal)...

 

Long before Abacus teamed with Data Becker for their pascal, Arnie Lee (of Abacus Software) was porting Tiny Pascal from the Z80-based computer to the Apple and Commodore machines: 
 
 
Does anyone have a working version of this Tiny Pascal for any of the 6502 machines (Apple / C-64 / PET)?


#2 rpiguy9907 OFFLINE  

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Posted Thu Aug 2, 2018 1:15 PM

You can get a working image of the compiler for the C64 version, but not the editor/interpreter disk.

 

This was recently discussed at length here:

 

https://www.forum64.de/index.php?thread/81989-abacus-tiny-pascal-von-1980-für-c64-und-pet-cbm/

 

Abacus, circa 1980, published a version of Tiny Pascal for the CBM 4032/8032. You will find many advertisements for it in publications of the time. Later they released a version of Tiny Pascal for the C64 in 1982. They are both exceedingly rare these days.

 

I hope someone stumbles upon them.



#3 rpiguy9907 OFFLINE  

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Posted Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:39 PM


(Inspired by the recent Antic interview about Pascal)...
 
Long before Abacus teamed with Data Becker for their pascal, Arnie Lee (of Abacus Software) was porting Tiny Pascal from the Z80-based computer to the Apple and Commodore machines: 
 
 
Does anyone have a working version of this Tiny Pascal for any of the 6502 machines (Apple / C-64 / PET)?


After considerable research I found out that Abacus basically took an existing Tiny Pascal implementation called KMMM Pascal and rebranded it. You can easily find images of KMMM Pascal for the PET, etc. with a Google search.

#4 derek.john.evans OFFLINE  

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Posted Thu Dec 6, 2018 12:49 AM

I think its called abacus pcode compiler which is easy to find. I've also seen the BASIC code to Pascal 64, which is somewhat larger. The release version of Pascal 64 is compiled. Maybe using BASIC 64 (which was also written in BASIC). KMMM IV doesn't look like either tiny Pascal or Pascal 64. The compiler is about 16k which does produce pcode, but only as a first phase for the 6502 translator. A pcode interpreter is mentioned in the docs as a future product which might not have been released. KMMM is the best native code compiler imo. Kyans native compiler is lacking in areas, but makes up ground with its built in assembler and its undocumented "relaxed var type checking" so, if you can handle asm code, then kyan pro is tops. Kyan standard is the best pcode dev system.

Super Pascal has its own dos system, which makes it unsuitable if you want to work with cbm files.

I personally am using kyan, because I know I can always resort to asm if I want.

Btw: I'm looking for kyan 128 for the commodore 128. Also, kyan pro is only on csdb which worries me!!

We cant loose it!

Ps: Zoom Pascal is KMMM level 3. Which lacks a lot of Pascal features. KMMM level 4 has the best built in string support.

Edited by derek.john.evans, Thu Dec 6, 2018 12:54 AM.

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#5 neglectoru OFFLINE  

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Posted Fri Dec 7, 2018 7:37 PM

Ps: Zoom Pascal is KMMM level 3. Which lacks a lot of Pascal features. KMMM level 4 has the best built in string support.

 

Zoom Pascal bears W Kusche's name. Didn't he also later work on Kyan Pascal?



#6 derek.john.evans OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat Dec 8, 2018 1:16 AM

Zoom Pascal bears W Kusche's name. Didn't he also later work on Kyan Pascal?


I'm not sure. I'm working a lot in kyan Pascal atm. I'll be releasing some code soon



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