emkay Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 http://battleofthebits.org/arena/Entry/No+Sacrifices+No+Heroics/28650/ 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+mytek Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Sounds nice, I like it . Anyone have a link to a good SAP player for the 8-bit? love to hear this on my system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irgendwer Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 I like this more: https://soundcloud.com/makarybrauner/never-let-me-down 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivop Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) Here's a zip of Zlew - No Sacrifices No heroics. By means of asapconv, it contains the sap file, a wav rendition and an xex file to be played on real hardware! @irgendwer, makary is astonishing too! And without samples. But most parts of NSNH is also pure pokey. The 12K sample bank is mostly drums. zlew.zip Edited September 1, 2018 by ivop 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 ?? shouldn't it be readily playable in native pokey glory without converting back? I thought it was done and then converted to sap... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivop Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Yeah well, zlew did not distribute his protracker 2.4 file. But he did release a sap file, which in turn can be converted back to an xex file to be played back on a real Atari. Which I just did BTW and it sounds amazing! And it's not even my type of music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+mytek Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 I guess there isn't a native A8 app to play SAP files? I do see one for almost every other platform imaginable including the Atari ST. Kinda funny when it needs to be converted to play on a system with an actual Pokey chip. So is there any logistical reason behind there not being an A8 player? Is it too memory intensive to do the conversion on the fly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 wasn't there something called unsap to put things back to whatever player/tracker/format a sap came from.... or something like that.... not sure but still native source music and players would have been sweet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
makary Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 Converting back a SAP file to the source file is sometimes possible with ASAP. By 'sometimes' I mean as long as the tracker used for creating the tune is recognised by ASAP. Open SAP file with ASAP -> file information -> save as -> look into available file extensions http://asap.sourceforge.net/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Here's a zip of Zlew - No Sacrifices No heroics. By means of asapconv, it contains the sap file, a wav rendition and an xex file to be played on real hardware! @irgendwer, makary is astonishing too! And without samples. But most parts of NSNH is also pure pokey. The 12K sample bank is mostly drums. playing on ntsc with side or avg, xex play well for almost the whole time but things go really bad towards the end.... anyone else play all the way though and compare against song on the botb site? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivop Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 After the song stops, similar to that on BotB (which is kind of abrupt), the player continues and after a while it starts to play rubbish. It's the same on PAL hardware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivop Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 I guess there isn't a native A8 app to play SAP files? I do see one for almost every other platform imaginable including the Atari ST. Kinda funny when it needs to be converted to play on a system with an actual Pokey chip. So is there any logistical reason behind there not being an A8 player? Is it too memory intensive to do the conversion on the fly? I think it should be possible to write a native SAP player, but there are probably some restrictions. Some tunes load in the area of DOS or in the RAM under the OS ROM, but theoretically even those could be catered for by a clever algorithm that loads it some place else and relocated later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+mytek Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 I think it should be possible to write a native SAP player, but there are probably some restrictions. Some tunes load in the area of DOS or in the RAM under the OS ROM, but theoretically even those could be catered for by a clever algorithm that loads it some place else and relocated later. Might be easiest to just make one that requires at least a 130XE (or expanded RAM). That way you have 64K of undisturbed RAM to utilize, which could be where the converted song is placed, acting as a buffer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
makary Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 https://github.com/epi/sapemu 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CharlieChaplin Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 https://github.com/epi/sapemu Think I am blind, but I do not see the EXE/XEX there - do we have to build it first ?!? If so, I cannot do that (dunno how). But if someone does have SapEmu V0.3, please upload the EXE/XEX here... (the latest version I have is 0.2)... Last not least, the SAP players/converters on the PC assume the full 64k base RAM of an XL/XE is usable (which is not in reality!), thus some SAP files will not play with SAPemu, allthough it is running on a min. 128k machine... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 First one better. Not that I'm into doof-doof but that's some of the best bass beats I've heard from Pokey. Though my experience is enhanced as I'm running DFX which does post-processing and graphic EQ on my audio output. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
makary Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Think I am blind, but I do not see the EXE/XEX there - do we have to build it first ?!? If so, I cannot do that (dunno how). But if someone does have SapEmu V0.3, please upload the EXE/XEX here... (the latest version I have is 0.2)... Last not least, the SAP players/converters on the PC assume the full 64k base RAM of an XL/XE is usable (which is not in reality!), thus some SAP files will not play with SAPemu, allthough it is running on a min. 128k machine... https://github.com/epi/sapemu/releases As far as I know it was just a proof of concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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