fred Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 I ran across this today about a guy making a steampunk Sega SMS system. One line in the article stated that he tried to find a way to load games via phonograph. I dont think he was successful. Just curious, since 2600 games are so small couldnt this work on an Atari? The supercharger uses cassettes, but couldnt smaller games run off a record? I dont see why youd want to except to show you could. Just am interesting thought. A steampunk 2600 or 7800 would be cool ? https://kotaku.com/artist-turns-sega-mega-drive-into-the-steampunkiest-con-1831617855 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiddlepaddle Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Sure, plenty of bandwidth on vinyl records for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high voltage Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) There's some vinyl games available for Commodore 64, I remember when UKs C&VG magazine had a 'flexi' with games for C64 as a cover mount. Some UK rock band had a game for C64 on their album, if I remember right. Edited January 10, 2019 by high voltage 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsson Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Yes, vinyl has been used for the C64, ZX Spectrum, Atari 8-bit and a bunch more. Usually it is a novelty, unless you've got a record player in close proximity to your computer. Given that a LP can hold at least 23 minutes of sound per side, sometimes far more than so, you shouldn't need to limit yourself to very short programs. If I understand correctly, the Supercharger operates with either 520 baud or 1300 baud (at least PAL versions). That means at least 60 bytes per second, or 17 seconds for a kilobyte. That means one minute of recording would equal 3.5K at the slow speed. If you manage the high speed, you'd easily fill 6K in 40-45 seconds. I suppose engraving vinyl records is the biggest hurdle here, at least for one-offs and experimental use. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flexi_disc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) There's some vinyl games available for Commodore 64, I remember when UKs C&VG magazine had a 'flexi' with games for C64 as a cover mount. Some UK rock band had a game for C64 on their album, if I remember right. oh there is just no way dawg, you must just be thinkin of the 'money for nothing' video Edited January 11, 2019 by chewy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inky Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 There's some vinyl games available for Commodore 64, I remember when UKs C&VG magazine had a 'flexi' with games for C64 as a cover mount. Some UK rock band had a game for C64 on their album, if I remember right. It was either Frankie Goes to Hollywood or THe Pet Shop Boys. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youxia Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 "Artist" & an "inventor" who wants to load games on his Steampunk Sega with a "phonograph"? He's not in the vid but it's got to be him: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ubersaurus Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 RCA experimented with using vinyl records as a program storage medium during the early development phase of what would become the Studio II, so it's entirely doable. It's just not exactly an ideal format if you want the ability to write back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanbu Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) I was at a warehouse party in Chicago 10+ years ago where there were dozens of slightly damaged copies of this record in a crate, someone knew one of the guys behind it and gave me a copy https://www.discogs.com/8-Bit-Construction-Set-The-8-Bit-Construction-Set/release/7941 From this site: http://www.beigerecords.com/artists/8bitcs.html "the record: currently receiving play from an impressive array of tastemakers including matthew herbert, mixmaster mike, bodenstandig 2000, dj godfather, and luke vibert, The 8-Bit Construction Set seems poised to redefine the very limits of what one can put on a slab of wax. half dj battle record/half concept album, The 8-Bit Construction Set record is also the first ever use of the vinyl recording medium for software distribution - the inside tracks are audio data which can be dubbed to cassette tape and booted in your respective atari or commodore 8-bit computers (guinness world record for first-ever vinyl-to-software programming is currently pending). and, as if you still had doubts about these artists' chops, you should know that this record was entirely programmed in 6502 assembly language. beat that. " Looks like it's for Atari 800 though and not 2600 - though apparently you can play it in / load on an Atari 800xl. I never did try to load the C64 side into my actual 64 though I have the means. I never had a 800XL. Just thought it was somewhat relevant to share! Edited January 11, 2019 by yanbu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azure Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 This needs to go another level deeper. Software on phonographic wax cylinders. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 but how does it load in real time w/ the vinyl-- you know when i had a starpath superchager, it loads the data and then it plays, but with a record, it would be different- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amstari Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 This needs to go another level deeper. Software on phonographic wax cylinders. Even deeper.... https://v2.cryptii.com/morsecode/binary 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amstari Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 but how does it load in real time w/ the vinyl-- you know when i had a starpath superchager, it loads the data and then it plays, but with a record, it would be different- It would be the same, just that the audio is coming from a different source. For example a MP3 player http://atariage.com/forums/topic/188884-using-mp3-files-with-starpath-supercharger/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 so youd have to wait for it? wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr SQL Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 but how does it load in real time w/ the vinyl-- you know when i had a starpath superchager, it loads the data and then it plays, but with a record, it would be different- The SuperCharger was used to load games from vinyl here, there's no difference in the output to the AD converter: http://atariage.com/forums/topic/248330-starpath-supercharger-games-on-vinyl/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high voltage Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 When working for the US Army, we used to play games on punch cards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiddlepaddle Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 You get dirty looks if you shuffle a deck of punched cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azure Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) Even deeper.... https://v2.cryptii.com/morsecode/binary telegraph2.png What's the most obtuse Rube Goldberg contraption for loading a game? I think it needs a robot arm to tap the telegraph machine and a Raspberry Pi to control the robot. Some how this connects to the record player reading the game software. Edited January 15, 2019 by azure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swami Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 The SuperCharger was used to load games from vinyl here, there's no difference in the output to the AD converter: http://atariage.com/forums/topic/248330-starpath-supercharger-games-on-vinyl/ As long as the output of the record player is a typical 1/4" or 1/8" audio jack, should be no problem. A Victorola + microphone and audio relay could be added to the Rube Goldberg. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassGuitari Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Cartridges were invented for a reason. Embrace it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr SQL Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 As long as the output of the record player is a typical 1/4" or 1/8" audio jack, should be no problem. A Victorola + microphone and audio relay could be added to the Rube Goldberg. That would be awesome to see, analog recording technology hasn't changed much since 1888. At 300 baud (the slowest of the variable speed settings) the SuperCharger is quite tolerant of noise on the line provided the timing is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+x=usr(1536) Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 It was either Frankie Goes to Hollywood or THe Pet Shop Boys. There were a few who did this, but the one that (I think) was being specifically referenced for the C64 was The Thompson Twins Adventure. As a semi-related aside, Information Society did something nifty on the Peace & Love, Inc. album a few years later: there was a bonus track called 300bps, 8, N, 1 at the end. When played back through a modem, you'd see this text in your terminal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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