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#151 flashjazzcat OFFLINE  

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Posted Sun Feb 3, 2019 2:14 PM

OK... you seem pissed off. Forget I asked.



#152 ol.sc OFFLINE  

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Posted Sun Feb 3, 2019 2:20 PM

Yes, I'm indeed pissed off. Sorry if that wasn't obvious enough. And thanks in case you actually wanted to help.



#153 Marius OFFLINE  

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Posted Sun Feb 3, 2019 2:22 PM

Hi!

 

After some reading and thoughts I have changed my mind. I remove my name from the list. So this is the list the next person could use:

 

1. davidcalgary29 - 1 cart
2. xrbrevin - 1 cart
3. skriegel - 2 carts
4.   
5. brenski - 1 cart
6. AtariSociety - 1 cart
7. Mathy - 2 carts
8. Haightc - 1 cart
9. Markk - 1 cart
10. Sleepy - 2 carts
11. Nezgar - 1 cart
12. Gunstar - 1 cart
13. Chaosfaktor - 1 cart
14. Wadeford - 1 cart
15. sanny - 1 cart
16. DNA128k - 1 cart
17. Senor Rossie - 3 carts
18. KlasO - 2 carts
19. NML32 - 1 cart
20. CharlieChaplin - 1 cart.
21. slx - 1 cart
22. David_P - 1 cart
23. Rainier - 1 cart
24. AtariPortal - 2 carts
25. patjomki - 1 cart
26. Allan - 1 cart
27. Toddtmw 1 cart
28. TheNameOfTheGame 1 cart
29. adam242 1 cart
30. Dan Winslow - 2 carts
31. Jinroh - 1 Cart
32. Philsan - 1 Cart
33. Lastic   - 1 Cart
34. invisible kid - 1 cart
35. gozar- 1 Cart
36. pixelmischief - 1 cart
37. BigBen  -  1 cart
38. Soulbuster 1 Cart
39. Ransom - 1 cart
40. TemplarXB - 1 cart
41. tuf - 1 cart
42. mariusz - 1 cart
43. leech - 1 cart
44. Firedawg - 1 cart
45. mani - 2 carts

46. code_blazer - 2 carts

46. Defender II - 2 carts



#154 flashjazzcat OFFLINE  

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Posted Sun Feb 3, 2019 2:25 PM

Yes, I'm indeed pissed off. Sorry if that wasn't obvious enough. And thanks in case you actually wanted to help.

 

I don't know whether to be pleased to be thanked or insulted by the incredibly patronising tone. Way to deflect responses in the thread, I guess.



#155 ol.sc OFFLINE  

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Posted Sun Feb 3, 2019 2:30 PM

Just deflecting responses like "Just give the hardware to someone who knows the A8 and isn't intent on making the hardware work in some absurd proprietary manner." What would you propose to do with insults like this instead?



#156 flashjazzcat OFFLINE  

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Posted Sun Feb 3, 2019 2:40 PM

It's unfortunate that you took that remark as an insult, since there's nothing insulting about it. It's a suggestion based on my observation of other projects which ended up working in a proprietary manner, did not observe standard protocols, or simply failed to work with other popular upgrades. Does this mean no-one knows what they're doing here or that the thing will end up working in an absurdly proprietary manner? Of course not, but it can happen. I've been around here for a decade and I have seen them all.

 

Consider it another way of saying that the addition of a firmware developer with vision and copious knowledge of the hardware scene should result in a fine device.

 

In sorry, anyway, for intervening when things are apparently going so well without my help or advice. I am no expert on the subject of network protocols and am clearly incapable of contributing anything useful to this weighty discussion. My apologies!


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#157 Mr Robot OFFLINE  

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Posted Sun Feb 3, 2019 3:47 PM

Oliver; meet Jon. Jon is an assembly level developer of firmware for Atari devices as well as an expert on all things "Atari hardware and addons". He writes graphical user interfaces and word processors when he isn't making youtube videos on how to repair and install upgrades to Atari hardware. 

 

Jon; meet Oliver. Oliver is a software developer who is developing an operating system called Contiki for 6502, targeting C64/128, Apple//e and Atari computers. He is currently developing a new ethernet hardware addon for the Atari.

 

Maybe now would be a good time to go out, catch a breath, come back in, and start your discussion again. 


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#158 ol.sc OFFLINE  

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Posted Sun Feb 3, 2019 3:59 PM

@flashjazzcat: Thanks for your detailed explanation - honestly!

 

@Mr Robot: Thanks for trying to help, but there's no need for introduction - at least from my POV: flashjazzcat (Jon ?) has been there helping with answers in about every question thread I opened so far in this forum. I admire his work (been reading through the many pages of the thread on his GUI development) and appreciate his advice.


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#159 mytek OFFLINE  

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Posted Sun Feb 3, 2019 7:38 PM

Yep Jon's advice can definitely be trusted. And his 6502 software skills are par none.

 

He was an incredible asset to my 1088XEL project, and I dare say without it, the hardware would have been severely lacking. We worked cohesively on the synergy between Jon's U1MB BIOS and my hardware design, and ended up all the better because of it. The XEL-CF was the toughest part, and required no less then 3 different hardware prototypes to bring it fully into fruition. Without Jon's help it would have been a very sad IDE interface with limited versatility.

 

Since the U1MB and Jon's BIOS for it have made it's way into so many systems, it's imperative that strides be made to make any new piece of hardware compatible with it. This includes your proposed ethernet project.


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#160 AtariSociety OFFLINE  

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Posted Thu Feb 7, 2019 5:53 PM

So I know whether to keep my name on the list or remove, can someone confirm what this device is... I had thought it was an Atari cartridge that would allow my 8 Bit Ataris to connect to my network/router via standard ethernet connection which in turn allows the Atari to access data on my network and internet too.  Is that still the case?  TJ


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#161 Peruchi OFFLINE  

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Posted Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:29 PM

If there`s any chance that this device would be produced as a cartridge, I`m very interested!

#162 mchorvat OFFLINE  

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Posted Fri Mar 1, 2019 2:54 PM

Interested in one... using last list mentioned, adding myself to line 4.

1. davidcalgary29 - 1 cart
2. xrbrevin - 1 cart
3. skriegel - 2 carts
4. mchorvat - 1 cart
5. brenski - 1 cart
6. AtariSociety - 1 cart
7. Mathy - 2 carts
8. Haightc - 1 cart
9. Markk - 1 cart
10. Sleepy - 2 carts
11. Nezgar - 1 cart
12. Gunstar - 1 cart
13. Chaosfaktor - 1 cart
14. Wadeford - 1 cart
15. sanny - 1 cart
16. DNA128k - 1 cart
17. Senor Rossie - 3 carts
18. KlasO - 2 carts
19. NML32 - 1 cart
20. CharlieChaplin - 1 cart.
21. slx - 1 cart
22. David_P - 1 cart
23. Rainier - 1 cart
24. AtariPortal - 2 carts
25. patjomki - 1 cart
26. Allan - 1 cart
27. Toddtmw 1 cart
28. TheNameOfTheGame 1 cart
29. adam242 1 cart
30. Dan Winslow - 2 carts
31. Jinroh - 1 Cart
32. Philsan - 1 Cart
33. Lastic - 1 Cart
34. invisible kid - 1 cart
35. gozar- 1 Cart
36. pixelmischief - 1 cart
37. BigBen - 1 cart
38. Soulbuster 1 Cart
39. Ransom - 1 cart
40. TemplarXB - 1 cart
41. tuf - 1 cart
42. mariusz - 1 cart
43. leech - 1 cart
44. Firedawg - 1 cart
45. mani - 2 carts
46. code_blazer - 2 carts
46. Defender II - 2 carts

#163 invisible kid OFFLINE  

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Posted Fri Mar 1, 2019 4:37 PM

AtariSociety, Peruchi,

As far I know this is a cartridge. Also as far as I know this is a basic ethernet device with programs such as telnet and a text-based http browser.


Edited by invisible kid, Fri Mar 1, 2019 4:38 PM.


#164 Curt Vendel OFFLINE  

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Posted Fri Mar 1, 2019 6:28 PM

Add me in for 2 please

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Posted Fri Mar 1, 2019 10:00 PM

you have to put your name and in a slot with the number you want... :)


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#166 Curt Vendel OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat Mar 2, 2019 9:28 PM

you have to put your name and in a slot with the number you want... :)

Gotcha, thanks! :-)



#167 Curt Vendel OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat Mar 2, 2019 9:29 PM

1. davidcalgary29 - 1 cart
2. xrbrevin - 1 cart
3. skriegel - 2 carts
4. mchorvat - 1 cart
5. brenski - 1 cart
6. AtariSociety - 1 cart
7. Mathy - 2 carts
8. Haightc - 1 cart
9. Markk - 1 cart
10. Sleepy - 2 carts
11. Nezgar - 1 cart
12. Gunstar - 1 cart
13. Chaosfaktor - 1 cart
14. Wadeford - 1 cart
15. sanny - 1 cart
16. DNA128k - 1 cart
17. Senor Rossie - 3 carts
18. KlasO - 2 carts
19. NML32 - 1 cart
20. CharlieChaplin - 1 cart.
21. slx - 1 cart
22. David_P - 1 cart
23. Rainier - 1 cart
24. AtariPortal - 2 carts
25. patjomki - 1 cart
26. Allan - 1 cart
27. Toddtmw 1 cart
28. TheNameOfTheGame 1 cart
29. adam242 1 cart
30. Dan Winslow - 2 carts
31. Jinroh - 1 Cart
32. Philsan - 1 Cart
33. Lastic - 1 Cart
34. invisible kid - 1 cart
35. gozar- 1 Cart
36. pixelmischief - 1 cart
37. BigBen - 1 cart
38. Soulbuster 1 Cart
39. Ransom - 1 cart
40. TemplarXB - 1 cart
41. tuf - 1 cart
42. mariusz - 1 cart
43. leech - 1 cart
44. Firedawg - 1 cart
45. mani - 2 carts
46. code_blazer - 2 carts
46. Defender II - 2 carts

47. Curt Vendel - 2 carts



#168 gambler172 OFFLINE  

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Posted Fri Apr 5, 2019 1:04 PM

Hi Dudie
i want one too
greetings Walter

#169 Mathy OFFLINE  

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Posted Fri Apr 5, 2019 4:15 PM

Hello Walter

 

Hi Dudie
i want one too
greetings Walter

 

You need to copy the list and add your name to the bottom of it.

 

Sincerely

 

Mathy

 


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Posted Fri Apr 5, 2019 7:48 PM

1. davidcalgary29 - 1 cart
2. xrbrevin - 1 cart
3. skriegel - 2 carts
4. mchorvat - 1 cart
5. brenski - 1 cart
6. AtariSociety - 1 cart
7. Mathy - 2 carts
8. Haightc - 1 cart
9. Markk - 1 cart
10. Sleepy - 2 carts
11. Nezgar - 1 cart
12. Gunstar - 1 cart
13. Chaosfaktor - 1 cart
14. Wadeford - 1 cart
15. sanny - 1 cart
16. DNA128k - 1 cart
17. Senor Rossie - 3 carts
18. KlasO - 2 carts
19. NML32 - 1 cart
20. CharlieChaplin - 1 cart.
21. slx - 1 cart
22. David_P - 1 cart
23. Rainier - 1 cart
24. AtariPortal - 2 carts
25. patjomki - 1 cart
26. Allan - 1 cart
27. Toddtmw 1 cart
28. TheNameOfTheGame 1 cart
29. adam242 1 cart
30. Dan Winslow - 2 carts
31. Jinroh - 1 Cart
32. Philsan - 1 Cart
33. Lastic - 1 Cart
34. invisible kid - 1 cart
35. gozar- 1 Cart
36. pixelmischief - 1 cart
37. BigBen - 1 cart
38. Soulbuster 1 Cart
39. Ransom - 1 cart
40. TemplarXB - 1 cart
41. tuf - 1 cart
42. mariusz - 1 cart
43. leech - 1 cart
44. Firedawg - 1 cart
45. mani - 2 carts
46. code_blazer - 2 carts
46. Defender II - 2 carts

47. Curt Vendel - 2 carts

48. massiverobot - 1 pbi device



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Posted Sat Apr 6, 2019 3:11 AM

adding my name does not work on my tablet....stupid idea.
If i cannot order a cart in the simple way.........
then i am out.

Edited by gambler172, Sat Apr 6, 2019 3:12 AM.


#172 Mathy OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat Apr 6, 2019 7:54 AM

Hello massiverobot

 

...

48. massiverobot - 1 pbi device

 

This is the cart thread, the PBI version is build by somebody else in a different thread.

 

Sincerely

 

Mathy


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#173 Mathy OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat Apr 6, 2019 7:57 AM

Hello Walter

 

adding my name does not work on my tablet....stupid idea.

 

It is.  When I needed something for when I'm not at home, that's bigger than my phone and smaller than my iMac, I decided to go for a small laptop.

 

:grin:

 

Sincerely

 

Mathy


Edited by Mathy, Sat Apr 6, 2019 7:57 AM.

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Posted Sun Apr 7, 2019 1:33 AM

1. davidcalgary29 - 1 cart
2. xrbrevin - 1 cart
3. skriegel - 2 carts
4. mchorvat - 1 cart
5. brenski - 1 cart
6. AtariSociety - 1 cart
7. Mathy - 2 carts
8. Haightc - 1 cart
9. Markk - 1 cart
10. Sleepy - 2 carts
11. Nezgar - 1 cart
12. Gunstar - 1 cart
13. Chaosfaktor - 1 cart
14. Wadeford - 1 cart
15. sanny - 1 cart
16. DNA128k - 1 cart
17. Senor Rossie - 3 carts
18. KlasO - 2 carts
19. NML32 - 1 cart
20. CharlieChaplin - 1 cart.
21. slx - 1 cart
22. David_P - 1 cart
23. Rainier - 1 cart
24. AtariPortal - 2 carts
25. patjomki - 1 cart
26. Allan - 1 cart
27. Toddtmw 1 cart
28. TheNameOfTheGame 1 cart
29. adam242 1 cart
30. Dan Winslow - 2 carts
31. Jinroh - 1 Cart
32. Philsan - 1 Cart
33. Lastic - 1 Cart
34. invisible kid - 1 cart
35. gozar- 1 Cart
36. pixelmischief - 1 cart
37. BigBen - 1 cart
38. Soulbuster 1 Cart
39. Ransom - 1 cart
40. TemplarXB - 1 cart
41. tuf - 1 cart
42. mariusz - 1 cart
43. leech - 1 cart
44. Firedawg - 1 cart
45. mani - 2 carts
46. code_blazer - 2 carts
46. Defender II - 2 carts

47. Curt Vendel - 2 carts

48. massiverobot - 1 pbi device

49. fandenivoldsk - 1 cart



#175 Philsan OFFLINE  

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Posted Sun Apr 7, 2019 5:53 AM

Months has passed and some questions are still unaswerered.

 

Following Dragon Cart, the first ethernet cartridge for A8, it seems that two new ethernet devices will be produced:

- unnamed cartridge (cartridge solution, in this thread there's an interest check), by Duddie, a known AA member, producer of various products 

- Dragon Cart II (PBI and ECI bus solutions, despite the name), by ol.sc, a known AA member too, A8 Contiki and IP65 C/ASM libraries (used by 8bit-Slicks) developer 

 

These are cartridge and bus solutions, so it's easy to understand that difference (for example with a cartridge solution you cannot load software from a multicart but you have to use a SIO device).

 

IMHO the big question is software compatibility.

 

I own the original Dragon Cart and I used it with:

- Contiki (browser...), by ol.sc

- 8bit-Slicks, the awesome cross-platform (Apple II, A8, C64) online car racer, by 8bit-Dude, that uses ol.sc IP65 libraries

 

Evetually we'll have another cool cross-platform online game by 8bit-Dude, Grubs.

 

I hope that both devices, despite hardware differences, would be compatible, otherwise the already limited userbase would be splitted up and coders would not be encouraged.


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