Sophia DVI compatible monitors

[Sleepy]

David Hefner´s details added.

 

Sleepy

 

 

Please copy the list and add your model; so you don´t have to read the whole thread, but just look at the last entry.

 

 

Working:

Model / Resolution / NTSC/PAL:

BENQ BL3200PT 1280x1024 +/?

Dell U2412M: +/-
Dell U2913WM: +/+
Dell U2713HM: -/-
Dell U3011 1280x960 & 1280x1024 ?/?
Dell U3014: +/+

HP EliteDisplay E241i 1536x960 ?/+
HP Compag LA2405x 1536x960 ?/+
HP LP2065 1536x960 ?/+
HP LP2465 1280x960 & 1280x1024 ?/?

LG 24MP47HQ: +/-
LG E2242T: +/-
LG E2441V: +/-
LG IPS LED 24EB23 1536x960 ?/+
LG W2600H: +/+

NEC Multisync LCD1970NX 1280x1024 +/?
NEC Multisync EA190M (Rev 1A) 1280x1024 +/?

HP LP2465 +/+

Samsung SyncMaster 2443BW 1536x960 ?/+


Not working

Acer S243HL monitor
DVDO iScan VP50 scaler (!)
JVC DILA X7500 projector
HDFury Vertex
HP Compaq LA2205wg
Lumagen Vision HDP scaler (!)
Pioneer Kuro KRP-600M (Elite 141 series) television
Samsung SyncMaster 2443BW 1536x960 ?/+

Edited February 8, 2019 by Sleepy

[Sleepy]

Please copy the list and add your model; so you don´t have to read the whole thread, but just look at the last entry.

 

 

Working:

Model / Resolution / NTSC/PAL:

BENQ BL3200PT 1280x1024 +/?

Dell U2412M: +/-
Dell U2913WM: +/+
Dell U2713HM: -/-
Dell U3011 1280x960 & 1280x1024 ?/?
Dell U3014: +/+

 

HANNS-G, Modell HC194D 1280x1024 ?/+
HP EliteDisplay E241i 1536x960 ?/+
HP Compag LA2405x 1536x960 ?/+
HP LP2065 1536x960 ?/+
HP LP2465 1280x960 & 1280x1024 ?/?

LG 24MP47HQ: +/-
LG E2242T: +/-
LG E2441V: +/-
LG IPS LED 24EB23 1536x960 ?/+
LG W2600H: +/+

NEC Multisync LCD1970NX 1280x1024 +/?
NEC Multisync EA190M (Rev 1A) 1280x1024 +/?

HP LP2465 +/+

Samsung SyncMaster 2443BW 1536x960 ?/+


Not working

Acer S243HL monitor
DVDO iScan VP50 scaler (!)
JVC DILA X7500 projector
HDFury Vertex
HP Compaq LA2205wg
Lumagen Vision HDP scaler (!)
Pioneer Kuro KRP-600M (Elite 141 series) television

Edited February 8, 2019 by Sleepy

[jowi]

The first sign means:

 

"-" -> doesn´t work with NTSC

"+" -> works with NTSC

 

The second sign means:

 

"-" -> doesn´t work with PAL

"+" -> works with PAL

 

A "?" means not tested.

 

So "-/-" means it neither works in NTSC nor in PAL.

 

If there are two "?" means that the person who did the entry, didn´t told what color system was used. Probable NTSC, but I´m not shure.

 

Sleepy

Just use PAL/NTSC in stead of + and - ... So if the device is tested with PAL it says.... tadaaa..... 'PAL'!

And if also tested with NTSC.... PAL+NTSC... And if it is unknown or not tested... what about: 'unknown'?

 

Don't use symbols or signs if it is not needed. It is confusing.

[Sleepy]

That´s true...

 

Better?

 

 

 

 

Please copy the list and add your model; so you don´t have to read the whole thread, but just look at the last entry.

 

 

Working:

Model / Resolution / NTSC/PAL:

BENQ BL3200PT 1280x1024 NTSC / ?

Dell U2412M: NTSC only
Dell U2913WM: NTSC/PAL
Dell U3011 1280x960 & 1280x1024 ? / ?
Dell U3014: NTSC & PAL

 

HANNS-G, Modell HC194D 1280x1024 ? / PAL
HP EliteDisplay E241i 1536x960 ? / PAL
HP Compag LA2405x 1536x960 ? / PAL
HP LP2065 1536x960 ? / PAL
HP LP2465 1280x960 & 1280x1024 ? / ?

LG 24MP47HQ: NTSC only
LG E2242T: NTSC only
LG E2441V: NTSC only
LG IPS LED 24EB23 1536x960 ? / PAL
LG W2600H: NTSC and PAL

NEC Multisync LCD1970NX 1280x1024 NTSC / ?
NEC Multisync EA190M (Rev 1A) 1280x1024 NTSC / ?

HP LP2465 NTSC & PAL

Samsung SyncMaster 2443BW 1536x960 ? / PAL


Not working

Acer S243HL monitor
Dell U2713HM
DVDO iScan VP50 scaler (!)
JVC DILA X7500 projector
HDFury Vertex
HP Compaq LA2205wg
Lumagen Vision HDP scaler (!)
Pioneer Kuro KRP-600M (Elite 141 series) television

[jowi]

- Added PAL to Dell U3011 & HP LP2465

 

Working:

 

Model / Resolution / NTSC/PAL:

BENQ BL3200PT 1280x1024 NTSC / ?

Dell U2412M: NTSC only
Dell U2913WM: NTSC/PAL
Dell U3011 1280x960 & 1280x1024 ?/PAL
Dell U3014: NTSC & PAL

 

HANNS-G, Modell HC194D 1280x1024 ? / PAL
HP EliteDisplay E241i 1536x960 ? / PAL
HP Compag LA2405x 1536x960 ? / PAL
HP LP2065 1536x960 ? / PAL
HP LP2465 1280x960 & 1280x1024 ? / PAL

LG 24MP47HQ: NTSC only
LG E2242T: NTSC only
LG E2441V: NTSC only
LG IPS LED 24EB23 1536x960 ? / PAL
LG W2600H: NTSC and PAL

NEC Multisync LCD1970NX 1280x1024 NTSC / ?
NEC Multisync EA190M (Rev 1A) 1280x1024 NTSC / ?

HP LP2465 NTSC & PAL

Samsung SyncMaster 2443BW 1536x960 ? / PAL


Not working

Acer S243HL monitor
Dell U2713HM
DVDO iScan VP50 scaler (!)
JVC DILA X7500 projector
HDFury Vertex
HP Compaq LA2205wg
Lumagen Vision HDP scaler (!)
Pioneer Kuro KRP-600M (Elite 141 series) television

 

Edited February 8, 2019 by jowi

[Brentarian]

Sleepy,

If you are willing to maintain the master list of compatible Sophia monitors, I would recommend recent changes be reflected in the first message of this thread. I'm sure one of the mods would give you access to do so.

 

Dell 1905FP 1280x1024 NTSC only (no PAL)

[David Hefner]

Adding Asus VE278Q (I'll add more soon as I can test them out)

Working:

Model / Resolution / NTSC/PAL:

 

ASUS VE278Q 1280x1024 NTSC / ? (Using a DVI to HDMI video only cable, couldn't find a spare DVI/DVI cable, will update this soon as I do)

BENQ BL3200PT 1280x1024 NTSC / ?

Dell U2412M: NTSC only
Dell U2913WM: NTSC/PAL
Dell U3011 1280x960 & 1280x1024 ?/PAL
Dell U3014: NTSC & PAL

 

HANNS-G, Modell HC194D 1280x1024 ? / PAL
HP EliteDisplay E241i 1536x960 ? / PAL
HP Compag LA2405x 1536x960 ? / PAL
HP LP2065 1536x960 ? / PAL
HP LP2465 1280x960 & 1280x1024 ? / PAL

LG 24MP47HQ: NTSC only
LG E2242T: NTSC only
LG E2441V: NTSC only
LG IPS LED 24EB23 1536x960 ? / PAL
LG W2600H: NTSC and PAL

NEC Multisync LCD1970NX 1280x1024 NTSC / ?
NEC Multisync EA190M (Rev 1A) 1280x1024 NTSC / ?

HP LP2465 NTSC & PAL

Samsung SyncMaster 2443BW 1536x960 ? / PAL


Not working

Acer S243HL monitor
Dell U2713HM
DVDO iScan VP50 scaler (!)
JVC DILA X7500 projector
HDFury Vertex
HP Compaq LA2205wg
Lumagen Vision HDP scaler (!)
Pioneer Kuro KRP-600M (Elite 141 series) television

[Sleepy]

Sleepy,

If you are willing to maintain the master list of compatible Sophia monitors, I would recommend recent changes be reflected in the first message of this thread. I'm sure one of the mods would give you access to do so.

 

Dell 1905FP 1280x1024 NTSC only (no PAL)

 

I asked for it.

 

Sleepy

[jowi]

It would be nice if owners would also test their television set for compatibility, not just their monitors.

[_The Doctor__]

with lag notations as well.. modern tv's really are laggy slow crap

[pixelmischief]

I'll pipe up, since I don't see it being mentioned...

 

The Sophia puts out a DVI signal, but can do so at a number and variety of resolutions; some 4:3, some 16:9. Which of those options your Sophia is set for was flashed to the device before Simius sent it to you. That a monitor accepts DVI and adapted HDMI does not necessarily also mean that it accepts them at the resolution your Sophia is pushing. Knowing what resolution your Sophia is working at is the trick to knowing whether or not a monitor will display the signal.

[256 colors]

with lag notations as well.. modern tv's really are laggy slow crap

 

Same applies to any kind of digital tv or monitor theirs always gonna be some lagg

You could go the crt tv or monitor route good luck finding anybody who wants to service them when they go wrong that's if you can find the parts

[jowi]

with lag notations as well.. modern tv's really are laggy slow crap

Does lag really play a significant role with these slow graphics and framerates?

[256 colors]

Those games were player timing and reaction is absolutely essential yes a very big impact

Something like a text adventure no

Something like arcade shooter or platformer yes

Edited February 12, 2019 by 256 colors

[flashjazzcat]

I can't speak for HDMI or DVI with regard to 8-bit Ataris (I don't own Sophia nor any HDMI upscalers), but the SCART lag on some cheaper LCD TVs is enough to spoil the experience of scrolling graphics 0 text.

[+Stephen]

Does lag really play a significant role with these slow graphics and framerates?

Yes - try River Raid, Kaboom, Pitfall, etc.

[pixelmischief]

with lag notations as well.. modern tv's really are laggy slow crap

 

I used to think this way, too. But then I learned that almost all modern televisions allow you to disable all of the slow image processing by setting it to "Game Mode". My current screen (32" Samsung SmartTV) goes from 12ms lag to 2ms when I do this.

[_The Doctor__]

my samsung in 'Game Mode' is 10 to 11 ms versus a good crt. But there were far far worse. The best I've seen with anybody who has a middle of the road newer tv around here was about 8ms...

but this is still a fallacy, it depends on where on the crt you place the sensor, and how long it take for the tv to draw the entire new screen and or throw it up on the panel, all at once.

Not all screens had a game mode either.... along with issues of sound not matching the picture exactly either. No! today's screens a still poor... and money didn't seem to determine what was best.. a crappy funai set did better at some thing though the picture was the best than some sets that cost way more did... It's hit or miss that's for sure...

 

the sensor for timing this needs to be where the crt beam starts drawing the screen, I also witnessed the sensor picking up the back light pulsing while the picture wasn't even being drawn, super! high speed photography showed that things were not what they seemed.

 

the audio being off is freakish, and the lag showed more so with audio being cranked all the way to the fastest it can be output shows the lag is even greater than one would believe....

 

I did see a monitor led that actually did 2ms lag... but I don't have enough body parts to own one.

 

the dsp in these set take audio in and delays it to match the picture and can be adjusted... the delay between what you select on the computer and when it appears on the screen simply isn't tolerable on most sets today

 

as I get older my lag plus tv lag = no fun

my lag plus crt = fun

Edited February 12, 2019 by _The Doctor__

[256 colors]

Same with my SAMSUNG T32E310 32" LED TV/MONITOR turn game mode on and lagg goes down but on some systems that adds jail bars with the image quality going down even on S-VIDEO or RGB

Add the XRGB-mini upscaler sometimes with good and bad results

Edited February 12, 2019 by 256 colors

[256 colors]

For anybody who has a XRGB-mini upscaler Miacomsoft have moved site and theirs new firmware but it's well hidden you can find it in this thread

 

 

https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=33450&sid=654b4dafd5d1be658437d0df8eaa07fc&start=11130

Edited February 12, 2019 by 256 colors

[TheMontezuma]

Model                         / Resolution      / NTSC/PAL

LG DM2352D-PZ (HD Monitor)    / Sophia 1600:900 / NTSC OK / PAL OK

LG 42LW650S   (HD TV)         / Sophia 1600:900 / NTSC OK / PAL NOT OK

LG 55UH8509   (4K TV)         / Sophia 1600:900 / NTSC OK / PAL ?

[Ute]

my samsung in 'Game Mode' is 10 to 11 ms versus a good crt. But there were far far worse. The best I've seen with anybody who has a middle of the road newer tv around here was about 8ms...

but this is still a fallacy, it depends on where on the crt you place the sensor, and how long it take for the tv to draw the entire new screen and or throw it up on the panel, all at once.

Not all screens had a game mode either.... along with issues of sound not matching the picture exactly either. No! today's screens a still poor... and money didn't seem to determine what was best.. a crappy funai set did better at some thing though the picture was the best than some sets that cost way more did... It's hit or miss that's for sure...

 

the sensor for timing this needs to be where the crt beam starts drawing the screen, I also witnessed the sensor picking up the back light pulsing while the picture wasn't even being drawn, super! high speed photography showed that things were not what they seemed.

 

the audio being off is freakish, and the lag showed more so with audio being cranked all the way to the fastest it can be output shows the lag is even greater than one would believe....

 

I did see a monitor led that actually did 2ms lag... but I don't have enough body parts to own one.

 

Well said.

 

And even if you can afford one, 2ms is still noticeable lagg when you compare it side by side with the 1 micro sec refresh rate of the average CRT.

[TheMontezuma]

Well said.

 

And even if you can afford one, 2ms is still noticeable lagg when you compare it side by side with the 1 micro sec refresh rate of the average CRT.

 

2ms is nothing. You wouldn't even notice 20ms lag, unless you are 15 years old

Read this:

http://atariage.com/forums/topic/274004-sophia-revc-dvi-board/page-5?do=findComment&comment=4052904

 

Sophia Rev.C itself does not introduce any extra processing delay.

When you use it with a PC Monitor, you will have very little lag (for example 5ms with Acer S200HLBbd, which is neglectable).

 

The most of TVs have a lag in a range of 100ms - 200ms in a normal mode, so you really have to remember to switch a TV to the game mode (to disable DSP processing) and you will end up with ~20ms lag.

 

Here is an overview showing example TVs lags:

https://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&tab=wT&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dein-fernseher.de%2Finput-lag-fernseher

 

Anyway, your ATARI with SOPHIA Rev.C can still be connected to a CRT (over Composite Video), so you don't miss anything.

In my opinion Sophia is the most efficient way to enjoy your Atari in a living room

[TheMontezuma]

Model                                / Resolution      / NTSC/PAL

Acer S200HLBbd (PC Monitor 1600:900) / Sophia 1600:900 / NTSC OK / PAL ?

[_The Doctor__]

yep the time I quoted are with the better panels in their fastest crappiest display modes and ' far far worse ' sums up 200 ms lag give or take... all I know is I can kick but on a crt and die alot on panel tv's. It's precisely because I'm not 15 that it matters so much as I need all the lead time I can get

 

Modern televisions suck macular degeneration inducing, retinal piercing lag boxes... ... the freaking things make it hard to sleep, the light they put off kills melatonin levels.

 

terrible terrible, I found all this out at the eye doctor. I will be getting uv/hev/blue blocking lenses....