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#1 Atariboy2600 OFFLINE  

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Posted Wed May 15, 2019 7:35 PM

Prove me wrong.
 
Just go to Google and type "Sony Censors"
 
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#2 vw57drvr OFFLINE  

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Posted Fri May 17, 2019 8:48 AM

I think it's good. Kids are exposed to too much already



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Posted Sat May 18, 2019 8:48 AM

I think it's good. Kids are exposed to too much already


I'd disagree- most gamers these days are over 18, & censorship for the sake of a part of the audience isn't right. It's like saying you can't make r-rated movies because kids might see them.

It should be up to the kid's parents to decide what's appropriate for their child to play, & to talk them through any mature content they find (accidentally or otherwise.)

I'm glad Nintendo's letting the people who want their pervy or violent titles have at it.

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Posted Sat May 18, 2019 9:59 AM

I’d say most gamers are not over 18. When I play call of duty everyone is about 10. Sony taking a stand that benefits kids is their choice. Don’t like it don’t buy their stuff. Simple. Of course I’m probably in the minority here. I believe in God and try to lead a life that reflects that. Watching naked cartoon characters just isn’t something I care about. It doesn’t make the story any better to show women naked so what’s the point? To make sure that the pervs are protected?

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Posted Sat May 18, 2019 12:35 PM

I felt like in the 80s/90s it was ridiculous the extent Nintendo went to for censoring their games, but obviously it made sense from a business perspective.  

 

so on these under-18 gamers, where's the personal accountability on the part of the parents?  If Johnny or Jane wants to kill hookers or commit genocide or something in a game, then maybe their folks ought to take a look at the games they're playing on a case-by-case basis and determine what they feel is acceptable for their kids.  If they're being toxic in an online environment, maybe there needs to be some measure of discipline. ;)

 

For my anecdote, my kids are teens now but have been gaming since they were old enough to sit on our laps/etc.  My son, especially, knows that if he acts like a putz online not only is it likely to get him banned there (and it has), but he has to deal with the parental banhammer too.



#6 HoshiChiri OFFLINE  

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Posted Sat May 18, 2019 3:55 PM

I’d say most gamers are not over 18. When I play call of duty everyone is about 10. Sony taking a stand that benefits kids is their choice. Don’t like it don’t buy their stuff. Simple. Of course I’m probably in the minority here. I believe in God and try to lead a life that reflects that. Watching naked cartoon characters just isn’t something I care about. It doesn’t make the story any better to show women naked so what’s the point? To make sure that the pervs are protected?

 

The majority of online players, especially in a major modern franchise, is a much different beast than the majority of gamers- I don't play Call of Duty and rarely go online, but I am very much a gamer, as an example.

 

This is the newest article I can find on the subject, which puts the average gamer in their 30s... which pans out if you consider the ridiculous appeal of Nintendo to kids 30 years ago, and that these wouldn't be the people playing the online modern stuff (for the most part.)

 

I'm not particularly put off by the censorship- I don't actually like many mature rated games in the first place, and if you're old enough to decide that you want the anime titty game, you're old enough to buy a second console to play it on. I also think, however, that the decision to have said content should be in the consumer's hands, not the console company. Plus, while it's not gonna hurt them right now (Sony really got the importance of exclusives early on & set up the PS4 for success with them), as we start moving into the next generation, choosing to avoid cross-play and censor or disallow mature titles could end up costing them their place in the market.


Edited by HoshiChiri, Sat May 18, 2019 3:58 PM.


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Posted Sat May 18, 2019 8:25 PM

I felt like in the 80s/90s it was ridiculous the extent Nintendo went to for censoring their games, but obviously it made sense from a business perspective.  
 
so on these under-18 gamers, where's the personal accountability on the part of the parents?  If Johnny or Jane wants to kill hookers or commit genocide or something in a game, then maybe their folks ought to take a look at the games they're playing on a case-by-case basis and determine what they feel is acceptable for their kids.  If they're being toxic in an online environment, maybe there needs to be some measure of discipline. ;)
 
For my anecdote, my kids are teens now but have been gaming since they were old enough to sit on our laps/etc.  My son, especially, knows that if he acts like a putz online not only is it likely to get him banned there (and it has), but he has to deal with the parental banhammer too.

I agree with you. But I would like to take it one step further. We should all take a stand to protect kids. Its getting so hard to keep kids away from things they shouldnt see. Even cartoon channels now cant be trusted. You cant hand a child a device you think is safe anymore. All my kids are grown now but we are also foster parents and some of the things these kids have seen and experienced is terrible. Yes its the parents fault but it takes a long time to repair the damage. It would be nice for us parents to not have to constantly monitor everything.

Edited by vw57drvr, Sat May 18, 2019 8:30 PM.


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Posted Sun May 19, 2019 8:49 AM

Watching naked cartoon characters just isn’t something I care about.

 

This made me lol. It would be so refreshing if people up in arms about this demanded that it was their right to see naked cartoon characters if they want to. Instead, it's "this is censorship," which makes the motives seem more ... heroic? Their argument would be more honest even if they started by saying this: "Look, if we don't get to see naked cartoon characters, what content will be censored next?" Instead, we just get the last half of the sentence.



#9 HoshiChiri OFFLINE  

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Posted Sun May 19, 2019 9:02 AM

I agree with you. But I would like to take it one step further. We should all take a stand to protect kids. Its getting so hard to keep kids away from things they shouldnt see. Even cartoon channels now cant be trusted. You cant hand a child a device you think is safe anymore. All my kids are grown now but we are also foster parents and some of the things these kids have seen and experienced is terrible. Yes its the parents fault but it takes a long time to repair the damage. It would be nice for us parents to not have to constantly monitor everything.

 

I also agree, but to take it one step further still- it's NEVER been easy to monitor what kids see. Have you looked at what we marketed to kids in the 80s? Alien & Robocop had toy lines. Animal Farm had an animated film made in the 50s, that got 3 VHS home releases.

 

Anytime you give a kid free access to a media collection you personally didn't curate, they can (and usually will) find inappropriate content. Even if they weren't trying- trust me, I was an anime fan in my teenage years. It's a special kind of awkward to pick out a video with your mom, go home, watch it- and discover it's almost softcore porn. I actually think it's easier today than in the past- the solution these days is to cut off unsupervised internet. Since most other sources of content are gone, kids would then be limited to whatever your home media collection is- which, I would assume, is all vetted. (Unlike when I was a kid, when rental & book stores were still common & easy to walk/bike to.)



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Posted Yesterday, 11:27 AM

 

I also agree, but to take it one step further still- it's NEVER been easy to monitor what kids see. Have you looked at what we marketed to kids in the 80s? Alien & Robocop had toy lines. Animal Farm had an animated film made in the 50s, that got 3 VHS home releases.

 

Anytime you give a kid free access to a media collection you personally didn't curate, they can (and usually will) find inappropriate content. Even if they weren't trying- trust me, I was an anime fan in my teenage years. It's a special kind of awkward to pick out a video with your mom, go home, watch it- and discover it's almost softcore porn. I actually think it's easier today than in the past- the solution these days is to cut off unsupervised internet. Since most other sources of content are gone, kids would then be limited to whatever your home media collection is- which, I would assume, is all vetted. (Unlike when I was a kid, when rental & book stores were still common & easy to walk/bike to.)

ha, you stirred up some old memories in the dustbin for me.

 

Yes, it is definitely a special kind of awkward when you rent an anime from the video store and your dad walks in to a more salacious moment on the video, lol.  I'm trying to remember which one now that happened with.  Maybe Dominion Tank Police?

 

For Internet content and our kiddos, it is definitely hard.  It's not practical to supervise them 24/7, nor do I feel like that installing nanny-type software really makes the issue go away.  Social Media plays such a larger role now than in ancient times when I was a kid, so we always worry a little about cyberbullying/etc.  We have the conversations all these time with the kids, and they know if they want us to leave them alone and not micromanage that communication is super important.

 

Really, at the end of the day, the kids know that Mom and Dad will be spot-checking their stuff, and that will lead to equally awkward moments like back when we rented anime that weren't super appropriate.  ;)  In this respect, the kids know what we are cool with and what we are not- but, again, we encourage discussion and if they break the house rules for this sort of thing they know that we hold the 'keys to the kingdom', so to speak. 

 

I think, anyway, we're worse than the kids, anyway. ;)






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