HDMI 7800 console?

[lucifershalo]

Hello,

Does anyone modify 7800 console to hdmi output?

[+slx]

Hello,

Does anyone modify 7800 console to hdmi output?

 

AFAIK all such modifications involve an internal composite or S-video mod and some kind of built-in composite/s-video to HDMI converter. I don't think there's a "native" HDMI conversion. Depending on the quality of that little box you may have more or less lag from the conversion. The 7800 is a pretty tough candidate for a real graphics chip to HDMI conversion because it has both the MARIA output for 7800 mode and the TIA output for 2600 mode.

 

You're probably better off getting a composite or s-video mod and feed that into a RetroTink which gives excellent quality and can be used for several consoles/computers.

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^^^^^^ What 'slx' said

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[gorfcadet]

Here is what you can expect to see out of a RetroTINK via S-video solution. I'm pretty pleased with the setup.

 

[+Kaboomer]

 

AFAIK all such modifications involve an internal composite or S-video mod and some kind of built-in composite/s-video to HDMI converter. I don't think there's a "native" HDMI conversion. Depending on the quality of that little box you may have more or less lag from the conversion. The 7800 is a pretty tough candidate for a real graphics chip to HDMI conversion because it has both the MARIA output for 7800 mode and the TIA output for 2600 mode.

 

You're probably better off getting a composite or s-video mod and feed that into a RetroTink which gives excellent quality and can be used for several consoles/computers.

 

FWIW, I bought a 7800 mod off Someguy on eBay. Was actually worse than an S-Video mod. That being said, I also have S-video -->RetroTink and wholeheartedly advise this is the way to go.

[+slx]

^^^^^^ What 'slx' said

As for S-video/composite mods, UAV seems to be the cream of the crop. Look in the 8-bit forum.

 

 

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[+-^CrossBow^-]

As for S-video/composite mods, UAV seems to be the cream of the crop. Look in the 8-bit forum.

 

 

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Oh I know. Although the Magic Knight s-video out for the 7800 is an excellent choice as well it just requires a bit more dialing in to get it looking good and that varies from display to display.

[gorfcadet]

Anyone know what this person who posted on my channel is talking about?

 

This was his response to the RetroTINK video:

sad the retrothink is not a legal device from market regulation point of view as it doesn't fulfill any law, so only sold on grey-market shops. custom may catch them if there are aware of it. HDMI for Atari 2600/7800 and 5200 is already available for a fraction of costs. There are two solutions out there: HDMI built in consoles with a lot of unique enhancements or the universal analogue video connector based consoles having certified adapters like VGA, RGB or HDMI. Cheaper than retrothink.

[Magic Knight]

Anyone know what this person who posted on my channel is talking about?

 

This was his response to the RetroTINK video:

sad the retrothink is not a legal device from market regulation point of view as it doesn't fulfill any law, so only sold on grey-market shops. custom may catch them if there are aware of it. HDMI for Atari 2600/7800 and 5200 is already available for a fraction of costs. There are two solutions out there: HDMI built in consoles with a lot of unique enhancements or the universal analogue video connector based consoles having certified adapters like VGA, RGB or HDMI. Cheaper than retrothink.

 

He might mean FCC approval for USA or CE conformity for Europe, but most folks dont really give a toss in the hobby market if an add-on is approved or not by this - as long as the product is fit for purpose.

[+-^CrossBow^-]

Anyone know what this person who posted on my channel is talking about?

 

This was his response to the RetroTINK video:

sad the retrothink is not a legal device from market regulation point of view as it doesn't fulfill any law, so only sold on grey-market shops. custom may catch them if there are aware of it. HDMI for Atari 2600/7800 and 5200 is already available for a fraction of costs. There are two solutions out there: HDMI built in consoles with a lot of unique enhancements or the universal analogue video connector based consoles having certified adapters like VGA, RGB or HDMI. Cheaper than retrothink.

 

I too suspect largely what MK said regarding the proper regulations. Also I believe HDMI requires some licensing in order to use it? But that might only be when using HDCP I'm not completely sure on this. As for the HDMI inside consoles, Gorfcadet knows the details behind what that actually is all to well . However, I have heard that a Pi like device can be used to convert the signals in most consoles and output them to HDMI though I would imagine there is some lag introduced in this processed and I've not seen it myself first hand but I supposed that would be possible to do.

 

As for analogue connector based consoles as was mentioned? I'm assuming they are talking about the recent clones to be released like the RetronN 77, and the stuff from AtGames and Analogue.

[gorfcadet]

Well, those clones and the fpga systems are great, but I dont think it is cheaper than playing your existing consoles via the Tink. As far as I know there isnt an fpga Atari. Not that you can use real carts and controllers on. The Retron77 only does 2600.

 

I like my real hardware. People be crazy.

[+-^CrossBow^-]

Well, those clones and the fpga systems are great, but I dont think it is cheaper than playing your existing consoles via the Tink. As far as I know there isnt an fpga Atari. Not that you can use real carts and controllers on. The Retron77 only does 2600.

 

I like my real hardware. People be crazy.

 

I could be wrong, but I think the Flashback 2 was essentially an FPGA and Curt left vias on the system board to wire in a physical cart port into the thing so you could play actual carts on it. I might be wrong on it being an FPGA but I know it was a hardware designed solution and the first hardware designed 2600 in decades when it was released.

[+slx]

HDMI licenses are cheap per unit but there is an overhead fee that might be hard to bear for small retro developers. I have no idea how the guy behind retrotink handles this, maybe the licensing is already done on the level of the company selling the HDMI output chips.

 

I highly doubt that any mod for the 7800 would be ‚cleaner‘ license-wise. The 7800 is such a niche console it is rather unlikely to create any volume of kits.

 

Ask the guy who commented for details and ask him how the solution he favors performs regarding lag, the absence of which being the main selling point for retrotink.

 

 

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[+slx]

 

I could be wrong, but I think the Flashback 2 was essentially an FPGA and Curt left vias on the system board to wire in a physical cart port into the thing so you could play actual carts on it. I might be wrong on it being an FPGA but I know it was a hardware designed solution and the first hardware designed 2600 in decades when it was released.

Either that or a 2600-on-a-chip but all the later Flashbacks went back to Emulation. It‘s composite out, however and not HDMI.

 

 

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[ApolloBoy]

Anyone know what this person who posted on my channel is talking about?

 

This was his response to the RetroTINK video:

sad the retrothink is not a legal device from market regulation point of view as it doesn't fulfill any law, so only sold on grey-market shops. custom may catch them if there are aware of it. HDMI for Atari 2600/7800 and 5200 is already available for a fraction of costs. There are two solutions out there: HDMI built in consoles with a lot of unique enhancements or the universal analogue video connector based consoles having certified adapters like VGA, RGB or HDMI. Cheaper than retrothink.

I think I have a feeling who this guy is.