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[Ed Siegler]

Take a look...

http://www.phillyclassic.com

[NovaXpress]

nice marketing gimmick

[-^Cro§Bow^-]

Too bad they want Philly 5 to take place in a Month of a Year that has ALREADY Past?! hehe...within the first 2 weeks of February 2003?

Otherwise that is a pretty good gimmick!

[vb_master]

Who's EVIL     Twisted mind should so such a thing - j/k nice hack

[Snider-man]

Rumor has it that they're going for a more modern-based audience and less emphasis on classic stuff. And they'll be calling it Game Jam. And, if true, I'll be saving my money.

[Phosphor Dot Fossils]

By all means, then, save it up and come to OKGE 2004.  Assuming Crossbow's already planning ahead.  

[Xot]

This is the first I've heard about it and I was on staff of PC4 last year.

I gotta say, if the rumor is true it seriously dampens my enthusiasm about the event. Classic gaming is an adult hobby for the most part and I enjoy the generally adult atmosphere. True, there were a lot more silly things this year, but apparently enough people enjoyed them to make them worthwhile. So it's all good.

But me personally, I don't have anywhere near the level of interest in PS2/XBox/GameCube stuff as I do Atari/Coleco/classic arcade stuff. And the crowd that does tends to be younger and rowdier.

Maybe David's trying to appeal to a wider audience, or a younger audience with more disposable income. Maybe this is in response to sponsors' suggestions/concerns.

I don't know. I guess I (like everyone else) will have to wait and see.

[Gateway]

Rogaine... I mean Ruddygore said:

3.  
The event MUST take place within the first
two weeks of February 2003  

As was mentioned, this is IMPOSSIBLE( Unless they use the time sphere from the Terminator films or something   )

Cruddy gory said:

 

I will continue to use this server as a political platform until my demands are addressed.

 

End Tyranny NOW!

[Xot]

[quote="Gateway"][quote=Rogaine... I mean Ruddygore]
3.
The event MUST take place within the first
two weeks of February 2003
[/quote]
As was mentioned, this is IMPOSSIBLE( Unless they use the time sphere from the Terminator films or something   )


I would guess that's a typo either way.

[Retro Rogue]

Phosphor Dot Fossils said:

By all means, then, save it up and come to OKGE 2004.  Assuming Crossbow's already planning ahead.  

Or better yet, Midwest Classic 2004.

[Rick Weis]

i thought the PC meets were doing GREAT! if it's not broke, why try to fix it?  

Take care,

rick

[Ed Siegler]

I posted this message to the PhillyClassic group at Yahoo.  I'm not sure if it will make it out or not as it's a moderated group.  It's basically an opinion on how I feel about the change.  Sorry to intrude folks, I just had to share this in the event it didn't make it out...

Well, from what has been going around, it appears that
there is a rumor that the format of PhillyClassic may
possibly change to include more modern systems.  The
name of the convention "PhillyClassic" may possibly be
changed to "Game Jam" which happens to be plastered
all over the "hacked" website.  It is quite possible
that this is nothing more than a marketing ploy.

I, for one, would be quite upset about all of this for
two reasons.  One, the idea of PhillyClassic is
exactly what the name implies, and that is "classic".
PC is the premier east coast show, and the main one
for classic systems to begin with.  I would sure be
upset to see the premier classic convention go away.
What would be left?  A bunch of independent shows?
For this reason alone, I feel that PC should be left
alone.  If the organizers wanted newer systems to be
introduced to the show, why couldn't the show just
simply be made larger to include the other systems?
Already, a small discussion has been going on about
this possible change, and so far, it's been negative
about any change.

Second of all, if it turns out that this is a
marketing ploy about the change, why insult the
intelligence of people by saying the site was hacked
and not just come out and say "Hey people, we feel
it's time to include more modern systems to the show."
People in general don't like to be victimized by lame
marketing ploys.

If that's what this all turns out to be, well then, I
(along with some other people) will save my $30 for
the three day admission (which actually is a good
deal) and do something else more constructive with it.
It wouldn't be spent by going to a show concentrating
on more modern systems, where I would more want it to
be based around the classic systems.

Let's be honest here.  Who really wants to go to the
city of Philadelphia for a convention?  Unless you
want to pay a higher tax for the things around the
show like lodging and food, keep it where it is.  It's
a lot easier to get to where it is now than navigating
the streets of Philadelphia to get to wherever it may
wind up being.

Just an opinion...

[gulag picture radio]

Taking it into account what it costs to run a show, I would think that it would be pretty easy to see why you'd want to get more people coming in the door.  It's unfortunate to possibly change the name of an esablished event, but it's pretty easy to see that in order to win mainstream interest the event name is going to have to reflect gaming more than "philly classic" does.

At the Midwest Classic, there were a number of people with contemporary consoles.  At my display booth I had Pong Ultra IV right next to a Dreamcast store display, which itself was next to an Intellivision synthesizer and a famicom clone.  It was all fun, and I enjoyed healthy traffic by my table.

As much as I like the name "Midwest Classic", how does a regular person know that this event has anything to do with gaming?  If there aren't enough people on these boards etc. to make these events more financially successful, they've got to find other ways to get people to show up.

I really like the idea of games of different eras side by side.  It's all meant for fun, and no one should try to paint out anyone else.  In almost every hobby I've been involved in, it's that kind of "us and them" attitude that eventually kills the joy of going to a convention.

Holding back your admission dollars really doesn't help the organizers see that there are people interested in the retro side of their event.

I've had fun at the few conventions I've been to, and there's just starting to be a little momentum.  It would be a shame to splinter our gaming community already.  As long as these events support both classic and modern gaming, I say it all sounds like fun to me!

[z28in82]

As for the whole things being outside of Philly, who cares KOP/VF is close enough and it makes for a less stressful enviroment. I think tigger was the only person who wanted it to be in "Philly" proper and that was just so he could get his famous Mac N' Cheese which I will get to him some how :wink:

And the only way I won't be at PC5 will be either death, or the whole stie being hacked thing was a gimic to get attention, but it seems outa character for the people I've met from there.

[Snider-man]

From a message posted to DP:

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Okay, as a former organizer of this event, here's my take on it.  

I think this is some early on advertising for the event. A few obvious clues to this are:  

The "5" being painted over the "4" in the header image.  

The name Game Jam being posted at a few locations here and there make it seem like the show has a new name (and if this is the case, David, I must protest). But that's for a later topic when I've been proven correct.  

They would have deleted all the sponsor listings from the previous show, they don't want to piss off past and future sponsors so they left those pictures there.  

Most '1337 h4xx0rz' use hacker talk in their hacks, there seems to be none of this, it's done rather 'professionally.'  

The Anonymous copyright is still at the bottom of the page, letting me know that Anonymous is still doing the webpage. A '1337 h4xx0rz' would have removed the copyright at the bottom.  

That and some of my other 'insider info' make me think we're just seeing early advertising for the show.  

Personally, I don't mind the ticket prices going up a wee bit to cover expenses for a better show, but for Pete's sake, keep the table prices alone! I can barely afford to setup (I'm not a dealer!)  

Event must take place in February? Who are you kidding? Yah, let's have it when it's bitter ass cold and there's still snow on the ground, sure, works for me! *gives thumbs up sign*  

Production values? It's a convention, not a damn opera.  

Who the hell cares about what football players think, they can all rot, in my book.  

Take it for how you want, but these are my reasons for thinking this is early advertising.

And, if I may add something. This incorrect date of February 2003 was corrected to read "February 2004." Now, what hacker is going to correct the date of a show if he wasn't involved in it? It's a ploy. It's a gimmick. If they want to expand and bring in more modern gamers, great. But this Yo Yo Yo Yo leet haxor BS is really off-putting and insulting to our intelligence.

[Allan]

Why doesn't someone simply ask David what's going on?

PS. If it becomes a modern game show only, they're going to lose a lot of their guests, including me. I only like the classics.

Allan

[Thomas Jentzsch]

"1337 h4xx0rz"?

Damn, isn't it enough to learn a foreign language? Do I have to learn those "elite" slangs now too?

[Snider-man]

I posted a question to the PhillyClassic Yahoo Group messaage board asking, very simply, "Were you hacked or is this a publicity stunt? People want to know and a reply posted puiblically would be appreciated." If this question isn't approved by the moderators for posting, I'll have my answer.

I can't imagine why the organizers wouldn't confirm one way or another. I know if the AGE or CGE sites were hacked, the Als/Joe and the gang would be up in arms, scrambling around doing damage control, and allaying the fears of those who normally attend. But, if there's no reply and the organizers let the site stand as shown, you pretty much have your answer again.

Me? I think this whole thing is fishy.

[gavv]

wgungfu said:

Phosphor Dot Fossils said:

By all means, then, save it up and come to OKGE 2004.  Assuming Crossbow's already planning ahead.  

Or better yet, Midwest Classic 2004.

midwest needs to be more than a single day before i can justify traveling to it ^^

gavv

[Cafeman]

Who on earth actually thinks that "Game Jam" is a better title than the "Philly Classic" ?

[Dolt]

If they really want more people to go to this thing, they should leave Philadelphia and go somewhere else. I mean, unless you're on a Revolutionary history kick, why on earth would anyone want to go to Philadelphia for anything?

I'm sure the square-foot costs of convention space would make Manhattan out of the question, but the outskirts of New York City (like those hotels out at LaGuardia or JFK airports) would definitely be doable and you can't get much more 'heart of the east coast' than NYC.

Another idea might be Atlantic City--while I'm not a gambling person, it would give people an extra reason to go (your wife can play blackjack while you blow the rent on a MIB "Tooth Protectors"). Plus the location would weed out the whiney 9-year-olds who'd get sad when they don't see a PS2 in sight.

[Allan]

Dolt said:

If they really want more people to go to this thing, they should leave Philadelphia and go somewhere else. I mean, unless you're on a Revolutionary history kick, why on earth would anyone want to go to Philadelphia for anything?

I'm sure the square-foot costs of convention space would make Manhattan out of the question, but the outskirts of New York City (like those hotels out at LaGuardia or JFK airports) would definitely be doable and you can't get much more 'heart of the east coast' than NYC.  

Another idea might be Atlantic City--while I'm not a gambling person, it would give people an extra reason to go (your wife can play blackjack while you blow the rent on a MIB "Tooth Protectors"). Plus the location would weed out the whiney 9-year-olds who'd get sad when they don't see a PS2 in sight.

I couldn't disagree with you more. What's wrong with Philly? Most people going to a show like this are going to the show and that's it. Philly is more centrally located to the US than New York is. New York is usually one of the worst places to hold conventions because Hotels/motels/resturants are exspensive. The only reason one would want the show so north would be that you lived near there and looking at your location, you do. Granted I'd love to not have to travel so far either but I also want as many people to go to the show as possible. If I didn't care about other people I would say have the show in Waterbury, Connecticut, the next town over from me.   

If NYC is the 'heart of the east coast' than the heart would be located where the brain is.

[z28in82]

Dolt said:

If they really want more people to go to this thing, they should leave Philadelphia and go somewhere else. I mean, unless you're on a Revolutionary history kick, why on earth would anyone want to go to Philadelphia for anything?

I'm sure the square-foot costs of convention space would make Manhattan out of the question, but the outskirts of New York City (like those hotels out at LaGuardia or JFK airports) would definitely be doable and you can't get much more 'heart of the east coast' than NYC.  

Another idea might be Atlantic City--while I'm not a gambling person, it would give people an extra reason to go (your wife can play blackjack while you blow the rent on a MIB "Tooth Protectors"). Plus the location would weed out the whiney 9-year-olds who'd get sad when they don't see a PS2 in sight.

Spoken lioke a true New Yorker, there is nothing else outside of NYC.

[Dolt]

I did actually mention Atlantic City, which is a hell of a lot closer to Philly than New York (and actually, Philly and King of Prussia are both quicker to get to from New York than AC so I didn't suggest it for my convenience anyway).

Boston would be nice, and Waterbury would be fine in my book as well. I agree that New York is way too expensive--you're preaching to the choir there, lemme tell you.

And I admit, there's lots to be said for Philadelphia--I mean, how's about those majestic views of Camden, huh?  

[Allan]

Dolt said:

I did actually mention Atlantic City, which is a hell of a lot closer to Philly than New York (and actually, Philly and King of Prussia are both quicker to get to from New York than AC so I didn't suggest it for my convenience anyway).  

Boston would be nice, and Waterbury would be fine in my book as well. I agree that New York is way too expensive--you're preaching to the choir there, lemme tell you.  

And I admit, there's lots to be said for Philadelphia--I mean, how's about those majestic views of Camden, huh?  

I of course was joking about Waterbury. It actually would be horrible. It's (right now and in my own opinion) the worst city in Connecticut. (although the others aren't that much better).

It's not really about what's around the show but these:

1.Most centrally located for as many as possible.
2.Cost of Hotels/motels near by.
3.Easy acces from major highway.

I'm sure there are more but these are the most important I think. Philly seems to fit these requirements better than any other place I can think of on the east coast. Although Philly is not the most central city north to south on the east coast, it probably is the best place since (I think) there are more people living more north than south. (correct me if I'm wrong)

Allan