TXG/MNX Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 Hi, I saw this OS on the internet http://www.king.igs.net/~billnacu/wings/in...exnoframes.html and it did look really nice. It would be something nice to port to the 8-bit... the source can be downloaded aswell... TXG/MNX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Jefferson Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 When will it be done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXG/MNX Posted October 15, 2003 Author Share Posted October 15, 2003 When will it be done? Hmm I was hoping that more people would show interest in it and see if I with a few others can make it work. Looks pretty cool... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Allan Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 Isn't Wings for the SuperCPU (65816 16-bit processor)? I think we'll have to wait until Jerry of C-One finishes her Atari version of the C-One. Allan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 there was another mini-os project that was being ported all over the place, even the vic and the intellivision... anyone remember the name of that one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXG/MNX Posted October 16, 2003 Author Share Posted October 16, 2003 there was another mini-os project that was being ported all over the place, even the vic and the intellivision... anyone remember the name of that one? There was also a port done of LUNIX to the 8-bit only there seems to be no support for it and the port only runs on an emulator. I only have seen it crashing on a real machine when it boots... Would be cool to have such OS running from the Atarimax flashcart ... TXG/MNX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMR Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 Isn't Wings for the SuperCPU (65816 16-bit processor)? I think we'll have to wait until Jerry of C-One finishes her Atari version of the C-One. Wings is for SuperCPU equipped Breadbins, yeah. i don't know if it'll work on the One out of the box because it's essentially a different machine - Protovisions SCPU shoot-em-up Metal Dust doesn't work on Jeri's hardware and i don't think they're planning a fix either which is a shame... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMR Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 there was another mini-os project that was being ported all over the place, even the vic and the intellivision... anyone remember the name of that one? That'll probably be Contiki... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXG/MNX Posted October 16, 2003 Author Share Posted October 16, 2003 Isn't Wings for the SuperCPU (65816 16-bit processor)? I think we'll have to wait until Jerry of C-One finishes her Atari version of the C-One. Wings is for SuperCPU equipped Breadbins, yeah. i don't know if it'll work on the One out of the box because it's essentially a different machine - Protovisions SCPU shoot-em-up Metal Dust doesn't work on Jeri's hardware and i don't think they're planning a fix either which is a shame... Hmm there is an easy way to add an 65c816 processor to the 8-bit just to replace the processor with some simple logic. It was released as the sweet-16 upgrade I think. Only disadvantage of this upgrade is that it runs at normal speed. But you can use most of the 65c816 features. Based on this upgrade I am looking to upgrade it with some extra features. I am planning to make some pcb's for the sweet-16 compatible upgrade soon. The more advanced version needs some extra logic but that has to be tested a little bit more. I have now bought a new programmer so I can program some logic chips which I want to use on the advanced version. My main features I like to add are: - switch between normal cpu / 65c816 processor - add extra memory support (up-to 16Mb) At this point I already have some SRAM chips 512Kbx8 at home but maybe a simm would be better. - add speed option to run RAM at highspeed and normal I/O and chips like antic/gtia/pokey at normal speed. Most of this is already on paper only needs to be build and tested. I like this approach better then the c-one. Secondly I try to make the upgrade as cheap as possible. TXG/MNX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindfield Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 Wings appears to be based on or around Contiki -- perhaps an enhanced version for the 816. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMR Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 Wings appears to be based on or around Contiki -- perhaps an enhanced version for the 816. Nope, WiNGS has been under development for several years - it used to be two different products and was merged about two years back if memory serves into it's present form. Contiki is far more recent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXG/MNX Posted October 18, 2003 Author Share Posted October 18, 2003 There is also an OS called LUNIX it a UNIX kind of clone with even a small port the the Atari 8-bit it's written for 6502 systems with 64Kb. I started this thread to see if there is any interest in such kind of OS systems. The C64 has Wings, Contiki and LUNIX all allowing nice internet access and even PPP/SLIP and ethernet. It's true that there is a port for contiki for the 8-bit but it seems this version will not be updated or enhanced. The C64 version has become a very neat OS even ports to the gameboy and other systems look cool... The 8-bit version could be much better and graphical. But it seems there is no interest on the Atari 8-bit for these kind of developments I think. TXG/MNX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMR Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 The C64 has Wings, Contiki and LUNIX all allowing nice internet access and even PPP/SLIP and ethernet. There's also Wheels which is an enhancement to GEOS for SuperCPU machines, Wheels was the first with TCP/IP support and a browser if memory serves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXG/MNX Posted October 18, 2003 Author Share Posted October 18, 2003 The C64 has Wings, Contiki and LUNIX all allowing nice internet access and even PPP/SLIP and ethernet. There's also Wheels which is an enhancement to GEOS for SuperCPU machines, Wheels was the first with TCP/IP support and a browser if memory serves. Hmm you're right but it seems not something the 8-bit people want on the Atari's. I would love to get on the internet with my 8-bit but most of the people only want to play games I guess... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMR Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 I would love to get on the internet with my 8-bit but most of the people only want to play games I guess... i must admit that it's not something that grabs me personally, i'm a gamer, coder, whatever but i tend to stick to the original hardware because that's where my interests lie... There are C64 power users out there who only have a Breadbin as their primary machine, others who have been IRC-ing for years from cranked C128s and even The Final Ethernet cart allowing a C64 to act as a web server but it just doesn't interest me past the novelty phase. =-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mos6507 Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 Assuming you fix things so that ANTIC/GTIA can continue to operate at normal speed and the CPU can run faster, you'll also have OS issues. The way the OS handles the CPU during interrupts can cause some conflicts with the 65816. And what about things like the Black Box that does its own DMA over the PBI? I would think that devices like these would cause issues also. I've seen too many projects that get to the hardware level and that's it. It's the software part that stalls, typically. Even if you manage all that you'll still have to figure out what the final goal is. If you are going to lay out a kind of multitasking operating system then the overhead of maintaining those tasks is going to require a faster CPU. That much is a given. The Atari as it is now is barely able to manage its own peripherals and do anything else at the same time, let alone manage multiple tasks on top of that. By the time you are done with all of this it might be better to have a C=One-like solution because it otherwise might require too much hardware hacking to the original hardware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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