Godzilla Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 I was just reading about this and was very excited. They even have an ad which has gameplay footage in it. They say they will be releasing the cart and that they have even more unreleased atari games up their sleves! Tempest would be so jealous :-) Anyway, just amazed to finally one of the great 'hey where's that, we know it's out there!' protos finally surface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted August 5, 2004 Author Share Posted August 5, 2004 sleeves & to finally (see) damn no edit! :-P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 Yes I saw that. I didn't see the part about them releasing it though, they only said it would be on display. But there's yet another surprise. We've also discovered the GAME! Wings is completely playable and will be available for play at Classic Gaming Expo 2004 next month. However since the last 2 years worth of CGE roms have still not been released to the public (except for those who were willing to buy them), I won't hold my breath about Wings... Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 They say they will be releasing the cart It will be on display at CGE, we haven't figured out what we're going to do with it after that. Hopefully I can convince my partners to release the ROM. Well DP (Joe ???) doesn't exactly say that they'll be releasing it in cart form, only that he hopes to release the ROM at some point. My understanding is that it would be pretty difficult to do a large release of a RAM PLUS game on cart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad2600 Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 Yes I saw that. I didn't see the part about them releasing it though, they only said it would be on display. But there's yet another surprise. We've also discovered the GAME! Wings is completely playable and will be available for play at Classic Gaming Expo 2004 next month. However since the last 2 years worth of CGE roms have still not been released to the public (except for those who were willing to buy them), I won't hold my breath about Wings... Tempest Does it sound like a case of rom hoarding, there? Seriously, they should release the roms to the public. What's the point of hoarding them? Classic gaming fans suffer when they hoard roms of games like Wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted August 5, 2004 Author Share Posted August 5, 2004 "Hopefully I can convince my partners to release the ROM. We've got a few other previously unreleased games as well, details coming soon." and yea, I noticed the 'on display' thing. It's funny how my memory turned that into 'available for me to snag!' must be years of pent up desire! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 they should release the roms to the public. What's the point of hoarding them? They haven't been hoarding them. Just not releasing the ROMS initially. DP has been releasing the games in cart form (with boxes and instructions) for the past few years. They have been available to anyone who wants to purchase them. I have a few : Crack'ed, Looping, and Pick Up. They have also released ROMs in the past once the cartridges have been totally sold (ie - Elevator Action). I think that they felt (rightfully) burned when the 2002 releases were dumped and leaked by someone not connected to DP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted August 5, 2004 Author Share Posted August 5, 2004 Ahhh, I didn't know that happened... that's a shame. But understandable when dealing with denizens of the underworld. I hope they weren't so burned as to let that affect their ability to see the big picture and not make one persons mistake hurt everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 I think that they felt (rightfully) burned when the 2002 releases were dumped and leaked by someone not connected to DP. I never heard anything about that, and I don't see them as being available on any website either (although I'm only looking at legit sites). However just because someone dumped the roms in the past doesn't mean they shouldn't release the others. If you notice every AA release has had the rom released simultaneously with the cart version and it did not affect sales (I assume that is what they're afraid of). Meltdown will be no different, as I do not believe in hording roms. I have proudly released the roms to all my unreleased prototypes. Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted August 5, 2004 Author Share Posted August 5, 2004 Sniff! If only everyone with prototypes was as cool as Tempest! Then this wouldn't even be an issue. I think everyone should use Tempest as an example for how it's done. That and he has a NiGHTS avatar! I love NiGHTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 I have proudly released the roms to all my unreleased prototypes. ALL? Just kidding! I know the issues involved with some of them. I never heard anything about that, and I don't see them as being available on any website either (although I'm only looking at legit sites). You had to be quick. They got posted here but got taken down swiftly. I know that I have seen them on a site or two since that time. However just because someone dumped the roms in the past doesn't mean they shouldn't release the others. I agree. Still, I think that DP should be able to do what they want to with the protos that they purchase. If that includes trying to recoup some of the purchase price by selling copies, so be it. I can then choose whether or not to purchase them. If you notice every AA release has had the rom released simultaneously with the cart version and it did not affect sales (I assume that is what they're afraid of). Agreed again. In fact, I would argue that releasing the ROMs often stimulates sales of the actual carts. Still, IMHO, it's DPs choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 You had to be quick. They got posted here but got taken down swiftly. I know that I have seen them on a site or two since that time. No, they weren't, want the link to the post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted August 5, 2004 Author Share Posted August 5, 2004 BTW I just want to say here and now, once and for all, that I am against rom hoarding. But I'm all for rom whoring. The world needs more whoring, it owns up to the capitalist drive of our modern world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 No, they weren't, want the link to the post? I would have SWORN! I don't need the link. I own two of the carts and the third game simply sucks! :wink: I do wish that I had access to a ROM for "Looping", though. I own that cart as well but I'd like to have it on my CC2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 Still, I think that DP should be able to do what they want to with the protos that they purchase. If that includes trying to recoup some of the purchase price by selling copies, so be it. I can then choose whether or not to purchase them. Oh I agree. It's their prototype, they can do what they want. Here's to hoping they release some of those roms someday (fingers crossed) Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nathan Strum Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 What other ROMs have they not released publicly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 What other ROMs have they not released publicly? "Crack'ed", "Pick Up", and "Save The Whales" from CGE 2002 "Rush Hour", "Looping", and "Entity" from CGE 2003 Am I missing any? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 What other ROMs have they not released publicly? 2600 ------- Crack'ed Save The Whales Pick Up Rush Hour Looping Entity Look Ahead Underworld (may still be on a Commavid development tape) 7800 ------ Missing in Action Sirius Plutos Sky Fox demo 400/800 --------- Lifespan Da Fuzz There are a few others I can't remember at the moment. Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mos6507 Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 Seriously, they should release the roms to the public. What's the point of hoarding them? Classic gaming fans suffer when they hoard roms of games like Wings. They use these things as a way to hype the convention so people buy tickets. They also have said they have to do it this way to recoup the extortion fees they are willing to pay to get copies of these games from the owners. One can assume that any prototypes heretofore unknown to exist are already within their private possession or somehow in the pipeline for future release. The protos that AtariAge released were an exception to the rule and I hear that there was a little rivalry over AA getting those out there instead of via CGE. So they do seem to want to make themselves the only channel for these things coming out. Interpret that as you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mos6507 Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 I think that they felt (rightfully) burned when the 2002 releases were dumped and leaked by someone not connected to DP. Well, legally speaking they have no right to release the cartridges in the first place. They have no copyright control over the ROM images unlike someone like an Intellivision Productions who could cry foul over ROM images of Sea Battle and Swordfight showing up. Same deal with those who rerelease a title via an official licensing arrangement with the copyright holders (such as the Stella CD). When Snow White was released it was a double whammy because they were using the Disney graphics on the box. Infogrames may not care, but Disney is highly protective of how their character images are used. I highly doubt clearance was given for that cartridge from Disney. (It should be noted that prior to Snow White's release, the game was merely displayed under glass at previous conventions. Hardly a fitting way to showcase a game of historical significance, whereas Intellivision Productions has had monitors up and running games they released and games they can't release like Rocky and Bullwinkle due to issues that should have been equally binding to Snow White.) Anyway, they can do what they want as long as they don't get caught. Be my guest. But releasing a cartridge, as fun this may be for the community, doesn't mean you can go around acting like you are entitled to control distribution of a ROM image that you never had the copyright for. By attempting to keep these ROM images off the net it's essentially them positioning themselves as the protector of copyright controls (think DRM) when they have no right to play cop in this way to begin with. Also bear in mind that in most cases there exists MORE THAN ONE COPY of a given prototype in the world. Sometimes it takes a while for another to show up, but it happens. They can only maintain this artificial control as long as only one copy of the game is known to exist (with no ROM image floating around prior to their lockdown). If another copy shows up in the hands of someone who has no reservations about dumping it and putting it online, I see no reason why he should feel compelled to hold back just to allow them to be able to commercially market a cartridge at some future date. Basically what I'm saying is, don't expect any honor among thieves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NovaXpress Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 Crack'ed Save The Whales Pick Up Rush Hour Looping Entity Look Ahead Underworld (may still be on a Commavid development tape) I have half of those in my Z26 folder, now I'm wondering where the hell I got them. If someone did wish to dump their purchased Looping repro and dump it or post it, the owners couldn't do a damn thing about it. They own the physical object but not the code which it contains. So really what's to stop the fans from dumping and distributing such games themselves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayhem Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 You had to be quick. They got posted here but got taken down swiftly. I know that I have seen them on a site or two since that time. No, they weren't, want the link to the post? I must admit I was surprised to still see it on here whilst searching about for ROMs for the CC2 a couple of months back. Trust me, the zip file for the CGE2K2 carts is still very much present and correct as CPUwiz says. If you notice every AA release has had the rom released simultaneously with the cart version Erm... Power Off? Yeah I know I'm being a pedant but I figured I'd say it heh... unless of course you just mean solely through AA, to which I can think of a few that I had to ask people here for because I couldn't find them on this site or elsewhere... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 If you notice every AA release has had the rom released simultaneously with the cart version Erm... Power Off? Power Off is very much different from the other games that have been mentioned in this thread, because it is an original homebrew game and not a prototype. Several homebrew authors have decided not to release the binaries to their games, and it is very much within their right to do so. I would love to see all the authors share their binaries so people can enjoy the games via emulators, but not all feel the same way as me. And please keep in mind that we have released the binaries to MANY prototypes for which we have not made cartridges of. This includes games that we obtained ourselves as well as games that others (such as Matt) were kind enough to allow us to release on AtariAge. Here is a quick list of prototypes made available initially through AtariAge: - Blaster (5200 / 8-bit) - Labyrinth (2600) - GATO Demo (7800) - Red vs. Blue Demo (2600) - Dune (2600) - Menu Proto (5200) - Funky Fish (2600) - Pleiades (2600) - Mind Maze (2600) - Alligator People (2600) - McDonalds (2600) - Snow White (2600) - Lord of the Rings (2600) - Thwocker (2600) - Kabobber (2600) I may have missed some others, as I just searched through our news archive for "proto" to come up with the above list. There were also games released back on the 2600 Nexus as well, although I don't have an easy way to search through the news on that site. ..Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NovaXpress Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 When it comes to getting games into the hands of the gamers, no one cares more than AtariAge. That's why I respect them more than anyone else in the classic gaming biz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayhem Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 Power Off is very much different from the other games that have been mentioned in this thread, because it is an original homebrew game and not a prototype. This is pretty much what I thought Matt was getting at, but as he just said "AA release", it could quite easily be interpreted as anything put out for sale through the AA store, including original homebrews and hacks. Hence my statement about being a pedant Now if the Ebivision guys could actually make PAL versions of their games, I'd take one from the store, but due to the unpredictable nature of NTSC games on a PAL machine, then the only real way I'd buy one is if I could test it through my CC2 beforehand. And that means needing the ROM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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