Fretwobbler Posted February 12, 2002 Share Posted February 12, 2002 A quote from the Atariage front page - quoteThe Classic Video Game World Championship and the Funspot-Twin Galaxies International Classic Video and Pinball Tournament If this is the World Championship then when are the Japanese heats? Surely there must be at least 1 heat in Europe?!?!? Do the 300 million people living over here not count? Perhaps they should re-name this the New Hampshire Championship, but then people may be confused and think its only available to a south-coast small English county big on farming and 'new-towns'. World Championships??? Bollocks - USA championships more like. Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fretwobbler Posted February 12, 2002 Author Share Posted February 12, 2002 ...and if you check this link - http://www.twingalaxies.com/2001classic_vg_results.htm they cant even spell the names of games correctly. Wizard of War???? Whats that- an ultra rare label variation or somthing?? Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liveinabin Posted February 12, 2002 Share Posted February 12, 2002 Yep, its like World series baseball. Hey, if you guys in USA wanna play in the world darts championships, you're MORE than welcome. I think they're just scared cause I can kick anyones ass at Dragster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VidGameKing Posted February 12, 2002 Share Posted February 12, 2002 it's easier for twin galaxies to have it over here for tax and other legal resons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvigor Posted February 12, 2002 Share Posted February 12, 2002 Darts! Now there is a homebrew idea for the 2600. Of course it would be almost totally random, but it could be done. Yes, I think someone should make a 2600 game of Darts. Make it look blocky like Bowling or Basketball and make a new label in the style of Atari's old text labels. That would be cool. [ 02-12-2002: Message edited by: Matthew Vigor ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fretwobbler Posted February 12, 2002 Author Share Posted February 12, 2002 Quote by marailover - quoteit's easier for twin galaxies to have it over here for tax and other legal resons. Why other legal reasons?????? What on earth is there that makes it illegal to hold a videogame tournament in Europe? Easier becasue it vastly cuts down the competition. There is easily enough money in the videogame industry to put events like this global - maybe not classic ones but certainly new games and the classics could be tagged on. legal rerasons????? tax???? airport tax maybe. Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanJr Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Fretwobbler: A quote from the Atariage front page - If this is the World Championship then when are the Japanese heats? Surely there must be at least 1 heat in Europe?!?!? Do the 300 million people living over here not count? World Championships??? Bollocks - USA championships more like. Adam You seem to forget that to Americans, the USA is the "world." Most Americans would be surprised to find out there are 6 other continents on the planet, most teeming with population. For Americans "think globally" means think about the people in Iowa. Germany is a place in a history book and Australia is a fantasy land much like Never Never Land. Funny what self-involved, greed-driven capitalism can do for perspective... Worldwide Stan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fretwobbler Posted February 13, 2002 Author Share Posted February 13, 2002 Stanjr - quoteFor Americans "think globally" means think about the people in Iowa. Iowa, is that near Newcastle, next the scottish border? I know what you mean Stan, the least they could do though is either hold heats in at least US/Canada, Europe and Japan, if not then call it the US championships. Who knows - if Twin-Galaxies realized there is a brave new world over the waters their book of World Records may one day be almost as succesful as the Guinness Book Of Records, which I might add is the biggest selling copywrighted book in the world, ever, by far. Overall 2nd only to the bible. One of the reasons for this is probably because its genuinely global and appeals to people all-ver the world. I on the other hand couldn't give a toss about Twin Galaxies for just these reasons and I see their slogan as nothing more than a delusion of granduer, just who appointed them the high-almighty anyway?. Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian M Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 Logistically, it would be difficult for Twin Galaxies to cater to the overseas market. Why? Because they are a small organization that does these classic game tournaments more out of love and respect for the games than for profit. Twin Galaxies is a lean operation. I was at the Funspot New Hampshire Classic Game Tournament last June and I can tell you that these events are regulated and overseen with a small, but efficient staff. The fact that the final results fo the tournament weren't released for 2 weeks after the event show further proof that the Twin Galaxies organization has its hands full just organizing and running tournaments here in the states. To have to monitor and sponsor tournaments overseas would be expensive, time consuming and challenging due to the variations of foreign arcade machines. Don't get me wrong, the thought of a real World Tournament would be great, but for now, it simply isn't possible for financial and logistical reasons. I also happen to think that Twin Galaxies is a godsend for the retro gamer and you should support their efforts by entering these tournaments and checking out their website. I for one already have plans to compete in this summer's Funspot Classic Games Tournament again! It was great fun!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanJr Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 I have no problem with Twin Galaxies, nor does Fret, methinks. The problem is one of false advertising. The term "world" should apply to everyone on the planet who cares to participate. Its irresponsible to toss around the term "world this" and "world that" when you are really working on a much smaller scale. For instance, I hold the "world record" for highest Tapper score (74,675) as long as "world" means "in my apartment." "World _____" sounds good, but is very misleading and I can see why Fret is miffed. World's Greatest Stan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicJoke Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 If you are so concerned about it, you could always fly over and compete I think I remember reading a post from one of you Englishmen about how cheap it is to fly to America As far as I can see the Championships are open to anyone. If anyone in the world can compete, provided they come here to compete, then it is a "World Championship". The term might be misleading but is technically correct if the championship is open to anyone that goes. How many "World Championships" for anything are actually held all over the world? *I am editing this post to say that I am not trying to be harsh. I just don't think the people running this contest are trying to say that Europe, Asia, Africa or et cetera don't count. Saying "World Championships" is just a way to grab people's attention I am sure they would love for anyone from any country to show up since you have to pay a registration fee to compete [ 02-13-2002: Message edited by: CosmicJoke ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanJr Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 Fret....Did you get an invite to the Twin Galaxies World Championships and not tell us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicJoke Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 Nobody gets "invited" all you need to do is sign up and give them their registration fee. So, anyone can compete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanJr Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 quote: Originally posted by CosmicJoke: How many "World Championships" for anything are actually held all over the world? Saying "World Championships" is just a way to grab people's attention I understand your points here, Cosmic Joke, but its still irresponsible to use the term "World Championship" if its not being conducted worldwide. Getting attention does not justify misrepresentation. I understand that it is open to everyone, but how would American's feel if the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP were held in South Africa? I'm not trying to bicker with ya (cause we be pals and all), just arguing my point. By the way, I'm holding a WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP Frogger competition tomorrow in my living room, registration is free, just come to 1852 Frankfort Ave Louisville KY, the contest starts at 630pm and is open to EVERYONE worldwide, the winner will be declared the WORLD CHAMPION FROGGER PLAYER. See you there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicJoke Posted February 14, 2002 Share Posted February 14, 2002 Stan, I don't mind you arguing your point, argument is not always a bad thing Nobody here is resorting to personal attacks, so, really we're just having a friendly disscussion I still feel that you are a pal(and an honest trade partner). life would be boring if everyone always agreed I wouldn't be offended(and I am an American ) if South Africa had a "World Championship". I couldn't afford to get there, but, I wouldn't be upset. Also, I would probably get my butt kicked since I'm really not that good at any game I just feel that being angry about such things isn't good. People should try to take life and things in it a bit less seriously. That's why I go by the nickname, CosmicJoke. Oh yeah, I would show up for your World Championship but I'm not very good at Frogger and I would just embarrass myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanJr Posted February 14, 2002 Share Posted February 14, 2002 As long as we are cool. I understand your point completely and even agree in some regard, but I also think you have to be careful tossing around terms like "World Championship." I wonder how many people in Chile' had heard of Twin Galaxies competition? Its the equal responsibility of the promoters of the competition and those who are interested in competing to seek out one another, I suppose. Reasonable Stan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted February 14, 2002 Share Posted February 14, 2002 I think what people are forgetting here is that Twin Galaxies is not some officially sanctioned body by one or more governments. Anyone could call themselves the "Video Game World Championship", regardless of how big they are and what country they're in. If someone else wanted to start their own World Championship there would be nothing to stop them. And just because it's held in New Hampshire doesn't mean it's not open to residents of any country. Sure, it would be nice if they held competitions in other parts of the world and maybe they have plans to in the future. But since they're a US-based operation, it would be very expensive for them to have a competition abroad, and I'm not sure Twin Galaxies makes any money except from the sales of their book. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicJoke Posted February 14, 2002 Share Posted February 14, 2002 Sure we are cool The people running this should have probably left out the word World from the title. What is: The Classic Video Game World Championship What should be: The Classic Video Game Championship Then the title would just imply some kind of generic championship not a World Championship. How about that, a good compromise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanJr Posted February 14, 2002 Share Posted February 14, 2002 Works for me CosmicJoke! Hey Albert, I get your point, but how pissed off do you think MLB would be if Japan held a World Series or the CFL had a Super Bowl? I know these are larger scale, but I think the principle is the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella'sGhost Posted February 14, 2002 Share Posted February 14, 2002 Well, Atari is American and Atari was the most popular home console brand name ever in that country, as well as Canada, so having it in the states makes sense to me. I have never been to Iowa or England for that matter. Besides, the real World Championships were held in my basement on weekends in the mid 1980's. I won. So there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted February 14, 2002 Share Posted February 14, 2002 quote: Originally posted by StanJr: Hey Albert, I get your point, but how pissed off do you think MLB would be if Japan held a World Series or the CFL had a Super Bowl? I know these are larger scale, but I think the principle is the same. Well, with Major League Baseball and the National Football League, if they have a World Championship then technically they are correct. Only teams in those leagues can actually participate in the games, so a World Championship is accurate in that sense. It's more marketing than anything else. What sounds better, "World Champions" or "National Champions"? I'm not saying it's right, but I wouldn't expect this type of labeling to end anytime soon. If Japan or some other country wants to call their winning teams World Champions, I don't see how anyone could complain. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Mac Posted February 14, 2002 Share Posted February 14, 2002 quote: Originally posted by liveinabin: Hey, if you guys in USA wanna play in the world darts championships, you're MORE than welcome. This year's world darts champ was an Australian for the record! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted February 14, 2002 Share Posted February 14, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Albert: Well, with Major League Baseball and the National Football League, if they have a World Championship then technically they are correct. Only teams in those leagues can actually participate in the games, so a World Championship is accurate in that sense. It isn't! Baseball is played in several countries too (Cuba!). And even in Germany we have our own Amercian Football leagues too. Saying, some are not allowed to participate but we call it a World Championship, is like saying the German Soccer Champion is World Champion, just because foreign Teams are not allowed. And what about the so called "World Bowl" of the NFL-Europe? That sure sounds more important than "Super Bowl", but it definitely isn't. I think, the "World..." stuff is also coming from the typical US-american egocentric way of thinking, which IMO is one(!) of the causes of so much worldwide trouble. (I should stop getting political...) It's like that austrian newspaper that worte: Arnold Schwarzenegger is world-famous in Austria. BTW: Shouldn't we move this to Off-Topic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fretwobbler Posted February 14, 2002 Author Share Posted February 14, 2002 I may have been a bit strong with my topic starting post so firstly I'll apologise for that guys, although I do liek a bit of aggresive discussion Originally Posted by Albert - quote: I think what people are forgetting here is that Twin Galaxies is not some officially sanctioned body by one or more governments. Anyone could call themselves the "Video Game World Championship", regardless of how big they are and what country they're in. If someone else wanted to start their own World Championship there would be nothing to stop them. And just because it's held in New Hampshire doesn't mean it's not open to residents of any country. Sure, it would be nice if they held competitions in other parts of the world and maybe they have plans to in the future. But since they're a US-based operation, it would be very expensive for them to have a competition abroad, and I'm not sure Twin Galaxies makes any money except from the sales of their book. ..Al I disiagree with the fact that to host competition heats in other parts of the world would be expensive. Ive seen high scores on Twin Galaxies from people in countries other than US or Canada and it's listed as having a referee as verication. This means that TG must have trusted associates in other parts of the world. They wouldnt need to ship loads of people and equipment all over the world, maybe as little as 1 rep. I often wonder if they have ever approached any of the big-boys for marketing funds to aid the crusade. I agree with the fact that no-one special has appointed them the offical scoreboard and this is something that winds me up - they should not market the website as the 'official world high scores table' which they do do. I think its about time the main players in the industry sorted this out properly. If IBM, Microsoft and Toshiba (among others) can come together to produce a standard like Bluetooth then ANY three corporates can work together on this kind of project. Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft plus the major devolopeers should bang there heads together and give the world a highly-marketed, global, official high score table. Its about time. Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble Kale Posted February 15, 2002 Share Posted February 15, 2002 quoteAustralia is a fantasy land much like Never Never Land. Well, I'll be Peter pan... Baby Mac can be Captain Hook.... hmmm, we need a Tinkerbell... On the off-topic of American-World-Views... I rang an American company in order to discuss an order yesterday. When I stated my address, I was asked 'Australia? what state is that in?' I mean, come on.... the world does not end at your coast..... Kale (sorry, I was overdue for a small rant ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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