liquid_sky Posted March 16, 2002 Share Posted March 16, 2002 SEX AND VIOLENCE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanJr Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 beauty's where you find it, skatepunk. Al, point well made! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquid_sky Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 rap is just a bunch of street thugs talking about thier brothas (you know the word they really use), their hoes, their weed, and guns. If thats musical talent, then I can be rich _____ will be used in place of well.. its rap you know what. yo yo yo chillin wit da southside doublewide my homeboy paki and his boy clyde i bling bling it wit the bes of dem an if you dont like it you can lie in rest wit them cuz a _______ like me dont play dawg i blaze the weed like a gas hog i got a full metal platnium grille and _______ you k now i got some primo kill cuz im ICED OUT ______,______ im so ICED OUT If you touch me you gonna get frostbite, when its tim e to throw down playa i know how to fight with my glock 19 in the hometown scene you ______ dont know what i mean cuz i dont play you dont say no way **** off go play with you ragged hoe and you dog joe cuz this shit aint for little kids cuz i throw down vulga _______ cuz im ICED OUT ______,______ im so ICED OUT id like to give a shot out to my homies, lil pistol starter, tra-dawg, oran-jello, temptasia and lil skukisha. For every brotha that dun took one fo' the hood. Too bad the blues had to die.. now thats some music [ 03-16-2002: Message edited by: liquid_sky ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skatepunk60 Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 Word Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahfish Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 wanna battle with the illest atari thug on the ones and twos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skatepunk60 Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 Fish , You went to that many rap concerts and didnt get "capped" WOW sucks for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquid_sky Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 at least all the rappers he has pics of are black.. i HATE white people tryin to rap.. fred durst needs to be beat up.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skatepunk60 Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 True but as stated above rap aint music and will never be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uosipa llamxew Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 (edited) ... Edited September 23, 2005 by mojofltr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uosipa llamxew Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 (edited) ... Edited September 23, 2005 by mojofltr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahfish Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 quote: Originally posted by skatepunk60: Fish , You went to that many rap concerts and didnt get "capped" WOW sucks for you if you watch closely, you'll see that these are all my backstage passes from all the gigs i have been deejaying on .... yes, i toured with outcast in 99, i was the roots's backstage deejay in berlin, played before trive called quest in 95, with KRS in 97, and many many more .... i have been havong lots of fun .... and no fights. no a single one. actually nearly once, with the Poor Righteous teachers, a band who believes they are 5%ers, means they think they are all god and the rest of the planet is gonna dye. so after they were complaining about this and that on a gig in our club, i simply asked them "hey, if we're all assholes, then why the hell are you comming here to play for white people? do you believe in anything else but money?". after my question, i had to quickly leave the club and come back 1/2 hour later. i guess the main point again, is to look worldwide and not just focus on what's going on in usa. thanx to all the bullshit produced in usa at the moment, there was a revival of german & french hiphop over here .... plus there another special thing: here in europe, hiphop isn't just considered as a musical direction. hip hop is still the 4 elements: + rapping + breaking (breakdance) + writing (graffiti) + deejaying (the film is a trailer i did for the german hiphop show on MTV) we always get props from us-artists when they're visiting us and find out about the "hiphop scene" here ..... they start to get melancholic and whine about the good old days ... when i watch MTV (the hiphop-show), i wonder for an hour when they're gonna play hiphop: 90% of the stuff marketed as hiphop nowadays is just R'n'B or silly Rap Music, and rarely meets my understanding of hiphop. i think the whole term is misused in the media. it's just like there's people who think atari-games are all old consoles, no matter if it's a coleco, creativision, vectrex or in fact an atari console. and there's lots of rap artists that still won't admit they're simply doing pop-music. not everything you have a looped beat on is hiphop. people should realise this slowly ... let me quote KRS ONE: rap is something you do, hiphop is something you live .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanJr Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 but see skatepunk, your claim that rap "ain't" music is just as valid as the claim punk "ain't" music, its just a bunch of social rejects screaming at each other. But we both know this is crap. Like jahfish keeps saying, there is a lot of very good legitimate rap that does not rely on all that "thug" nonsense to make it good. Rap is about well constructed word play and rhythm. You don't much of either in most maintstream rap these days. You have to go off track or old school to find the good stuff. jahfish, you are the luckiest cat on the planet! Sweet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jun Kazama Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 i dont really like rap i dont have anything against it its just not my type of music i like industrial and new wave stuff like that but while we are talking about R&B has anyone heard vanilla ice's new stuff its scary its like marlyn manson and vallina ice mixed togeather *shiver* very scary stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skatepunk60 Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 quote: Originally posted by StanJr: but see skatepunk, your claim that rap "ain't" music is just as valid as the claim punk "ain't" music, its just a bunch of social rejects screaming at each other. But we both know this is crap. Like jahfish keeps saying, there is a lot of very good legitimate rap that does not rely on all that "thug" nonsense to make it good. Rap is about well constructed word play and rhythm. You don't much of either in most maintstream rap these days. You have to go off track or old school to find the good stuff. jahfish, you are the luckiest cat on the planet! Sweet. At least punk PLAYS music and instruments and HAVE talent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquid_sky Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 alot of punk is no talent sellouts tho. especially most of the newer bands that are all pop punk crap doing it for the money and the fame.. all forms of music have the offbeat shitty bands that give you a bad perspecive on music.. if the only punk youd ever heard was some mtv radio poppy crap, youd wanna ****in kil the genera.. but if you hear some REAL punk, then you like it. I think thats the parallel stans tryin to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindfield Posted March 18, 2002 Share Posted March 18, 2002 Every genre has its sellouts and its legit musicians. It's the nature of the business: Some musicians choose, or get talked or contracted into writing crap for the money. Others write what they want because they like what they're writing and want to share it with the world. I think it must be understood that the larger demon in the commercialized, crappy music scene is the music industry itself, which is driven by money, and so its agents are prone to sign musicians on the basis of how much money they can generate. They needn't be able to write good lyrics, or compose a single note. They just need to look pretty/mean/thuggish on a CD cover, be able to sing/rap (or at least lip sync) and read scripted material over prefab tunes. If you have any doubts about this, you needn't look any further than those frankensteinian creations pumped out by Making the Band (US) and Popstars (Canada) -- namely, O-Town and Sugar Jones, respectively. Pure, unabashed commercialism at its most witless. A naked, open, televised look at what the music industry does off camera anyway: create pre-packaged, hermetically sealed, individually wrapped musical product with no added preservatives ... or flavour. (You don't think five young heartthrobs that just happened to live next door to each other and be able to sing pitch-perfect harmony got discovered and called themselves N'Sync, do you? I mean, really; is there a single pop singer who doesn't have drool-factor for one gender or another on the charts? Nope. Look pretty, sing, hop about. Here's your Grammy, now pose for your action figure.) Yeah, I know. I'm a little cynical about the whole music industry. I guess I have a problem reconciling a money-driven business that peddles creativity-driven art. The two are fundamentally conflicts of purpose to any musician worth his golden tones. Musicians write for the music. The music industry just wants money. I think I'll stick to being an indie. I don't make any money off it, but I don't care. I just like writing music and letting people listen to it. It's almost theraputic... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanJr Posted March 18, 2002 Share Posted March 18, 2002 skatepunk, you cannot limit "music" to "things produced by instruments." The human voice makes music (otherwise no one would sing). As for talent, some wrap is so cleverly written its amazing. RUN DMC is a perfect example of lyric masters. "Proud to be Black" is as much an interesting history lesson as it is a rap. Attorney for the Defense Stan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari Master Posted March 18, 2002 Author Share Posted March 18, 2002 What the hell?????It turns from the Weakest Link post to Slim Shady and Fat Boy Slim post. I hate when this happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemmi Posted March 18, 2002 Share Posted March 18, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Atari Master: What the hell?????It turns from the Weakest Link post to Slim Shady and Fat Boy Slim post. I hate when this happens. heh thats why i said change the topic to "Rap" , then it might die out or go back to talking about the weakest link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquid_sky Posted March 18, 2002 Share Posted March 18, 2002 quoteyou cannot limit "music" to "things produced by instruments." The human voice makes music Yeah man.. Skatepunk.. think of Max Cavalera of Sepultura/Soulfly fame. Download the track Ratamahatta by Sepultura.. listen to that crazy use of the human voice near the end.. thats not singing but man its great Or take the opening to Alice in Chains Man In The box.. thats the voice as in instrument.. man im gonna go listen to them.. great shit [ 03-17-2002: Message edited by: liquid_sky ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari Master Posted March 18, 2002 Author Share Posted March 18, 2002 I'll just leave it alone.Why cant we have pic's in our sigs?Anyone know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahfish Posted March 19, 2002 Share Posted March 19, 2002 hehe, change the topic to HipHop and i'll tell ya .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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