PeeknPoke Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 I mean i loved Ewok Adventure (if it wasnt for the bad control), Elevator action was well overated, and even (god forbid) got a little bit of fun out of Tempest. Where's Snow white (just seen the new pics here on Atari-age..when did those appear?..does someone have the rom?) and Charlie Brown. Does anyone have a list of undumped games? Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snider-man Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 I betcha you'll see a few more prototype releases in about 3 months. CGE is always rife with 'em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atarinvader Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 More likely to get blood from a stone than info from the Proto Gods... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 All will be revealed in due time, have faith in the proto Gods and you will be rewarded... And no I don't have any of them just in case your wondering. Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwh Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 Is it August 10th yet? Tomorrow-Is it August 10th yet? The day after that-Is it August 10th yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanJr Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 Those who hoard the prototypes will keep them from you until they can make a sufficient profit from its release. I say screw 'em. If something is released that's cool, but I could really care less. There is no reason for such selfish behavior. If you've got something, put it out there for all to enjoy. Stan getting angry. Stan go eat soup now. Soup nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 Just remember, all those people who think they have the one and only prototype of a game are fooling themselves. Multiple copies of prototypes tend to come out of the woodwork after the original is found. The people who horde them are in for an unpleasent surprise when someone else comes forth with the same proto. It's only a matter of time. Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanJr Posted May 23, 2002 Share Posted May 23, 2002 hee hee, yer right. That is good. Stan happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco(2) Posted May 23, 2002 Share Posted May 23, 2002 Let me ask you angry people this: How many 2600 collectors do you know that are hoarding 2600 protos? Let's see: we have Charlie Brown, Pink Panther, Snow White, Pleiades and Funky Fish. That's five protos in the hands of four people. Perhaps there are a couple more, but these are the ones I know of. Now, how many previously unreleased 2600 games have been 'released' in the past couple of years? Two dozen? More even? With as many collectors involved? So how come you angry people still focus on the handful of cases in which games aren't available? There's plenty out there to enjoy instead! Also, I think there's several valid reasons for not releasing ROMs the day after the proto was acquired (even though dumped to save it from bitrot). Some collectors may want to cherish the moment of having something unique a little, others may just not get around to it right away because their real life has first priority and still others may prefer to wait for a suitable moment (the release of Lord of the Rings was just perfect, IMHO). Still others may prefer to take the time to put in a lot of effort to release a real game. Something, I'd like to add, for which there apparently is a big audience out there. I wonder why it is such a problem (apart from possible legal issues regarding copyright) in that case that some collectors try to get back some of the investment they made? Would you rather have them notbuy the games and instead see rich bastards buy up all protos without giving a damn? I think there are much more prototype owners out there that care - about the game, about the ROM, about the historic value, about the playing - than there are ruthless hoarders. In stead of being angry, I rather prefer to be happy about cool products like Elevator Action, Combat II, Bugs Bunny and ROMs like Lord of the Rings and Ewok. Oh, and for you angry people out there who think you have the right to all ROMs out there: now who's blaming who for being greedy? Cheers, Marco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted May 23, 2002 Share Posted May 23, 2002 Very true. It's easy to see both sides of the argument. I know of a few more prototypes other than the ones listed that haven't been released, but I'm not at liberty to say what they are. Fortunatly most of them will be released at the CGE. And as for the others, like I said other copies will be found. Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco(2) Posted May 23, 2002 Share Posted May 23, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Tempest: Very true. It's easy to see both sides of the argument. I know of a few more prototypes other than the ones listed that haven't been released, but I'm not at liberty to say what they are. Fortunatly most of them will be released at the CGE. And as for the others, like I said other copies will be found. There you go, nothing to worry or be angry about - all will be well in the end Cheers, Marco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCroniger Posted May 23, 2002 Share Posted May 23, 2002 I like the fact that they come out slowly and at the shows. If they all came out at once, how could you afford them? A couple a year is fine with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osmeroid Posted May 23, 2002 Share Posted May 23, 2002 quote: Originally posted by StanJr: Stan getting angry. Stan go eat soup now. Soup nice. Why aren't you writing comedy Stan? Assorted variations on this line have already become an established part of departmental linguistics here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwh Posted May 23, 2002 Share Posted May 23, 2002 http://www.cgexpo.com/newprod.html Here's the latest proto's that are slated to be released. Correct me if wrong, but aren't these protos on chips that degrade over time, and the games could be 'saved' by dumping them onto the internet?I wonder how many protos have been 'lost' this way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted May 23, 2002 Share Posted May 23, 2002 I wonder what the Vectrex title is? Pitchers Duel perhaps? Or could it be Mail Plane? Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapdash Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 It could be a homebrew too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco(2) Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 quote: Originally posted by dwh: Correct me if wrong, but aren't these protos on chips that degrade over time, and the games could be 'saved' by dumping them onto the internet?I wonder how many protos have been 'lost' this way? You are absolutely right about this process, called bit rot. I think that every 2600 prototype owner knows about this risk. There are maybe 3 or 4 of them, despite the risk, persist in not dumping. As far as I know, there's only a handful of 2600 protos that has not been dumped yet. I have not heard about any 2600 protos being lost for good, because the final surviving EPROM had died. Not dumping a ("new") prototype is something to get angry about indeed. The issue of sharing the dumped ROM is not that straightforward though. Some people (like myself) feel there are several valid reasons for releasing it when the owner feels the time is right. Other people feel that is unfair or even immoral. I say this is your typical issue that will never be solved. That's why I proposed to be more relaxed about this, and enjoy all the cool and not-so-cool protos that are available, instead of arguing the few that aren't. Cheers, Marco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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