Clay Cowgill

That might have been one that I dumped-- and that statement could well be true-- but my original did indeed work on a Percom Data AT88-S1 back in the day.

Random RFI story-- our neighborhood has automated gates that use control kiosks (with keypad/intercom) for entry and they use POTS (telephone) lines for calling residents, etc. I can induce an audible whine and 'tick-tick-tick' clicking in the intercom speaker just by bringing my iPhone within a couple feet of the kiosk. It's actually enough interference that it can cause problems with DTMF decoding during system updates. (The gate controllers are "present day" manufacture, but electronics-wise inside they're straight out of about ~1987. 68HC11 MCU with POTS line interface and dedicated DMTF encoder/decoder, 1 line/20 character LCD, through-hole DIP parts-- and little adapter boards making DIP components from modern SMT parts when they couldn't find the necessary parts in DIP anymore... Updates to pass-codes, resident names, etc. are done over 'the internet' via a server, but it ultimately ends up calling the kiosk by phone and using DTMF for the data transfer-- not even FSK or something!) ;-)

...and the creators of the SCSI standard thought people would pronounce it as 'sexy'-- and we know how that worked out. I like Chris Hardwick's take on it: The right way to pronounce GIF. ;-)

I gave my full valFORTH manual scan to Kevin several years ago, but I don't actually know if what he put up on Archive.org incorporated my stuff or just his. For the sake of completeness, I just uploaded the stuff I sent to Kevin to Archive.org: https://archive.org/details/val-forth-reference-cards-full-size.pdf https://archive.org/details/val-forth-manual-set-1.1-with-intro-high-quality_202006

Also piling on the "does anyone know if these still available?" bandwagon. A PM to Simius here fails ("The member Simius cannot receive any new messages"), is there another preferred method to order?

Nice work, everyone! Cool to see that the torrent is now over twice as large as the one from back on 2/7/2016! :-)

Finally got some time to hit another small stack of disks I've had sitting here for ages. Some were really rough (Alligator Mix in particular was super-scratchy and sluffing oxide, unfortunately). I tried a few ATX conversions just to be sure I had the drive set up right, but didn't go through all so I can't vouch for overall quality. Do we want more images of ANTIC disks? (there were a few more I didn't run this time) https://www.dropbox.com/s/k0gpayt5ygwygkx/Atari%20Disk%20Images%2C%20Clay%20Cowgill%2C%20batch%207.zip?dl=0

Yeah, seen that (and some other .msa, .st, etc. collections)-- I was meaning a more preservation class archive taken from original disks with intact copy protection and original disk formats, etc. (Like Farb's been spearheading on the 8-bits in that first link in my original post.)

I haven't been keeping up with the latest-- are we still looking to dump everything, even if duplicates? I've been queuing up another batch and just wondering if I should run 'em all or not?

Hey Everyone, (First off-- apologies if this is obviously covered in another post-- I didn't find anything conclusive with search.) Is there an organized effort to archive ST software similar to Farb's project for the 8-bits? https://atariage.com/forums/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative I'm curious is there's anyone that's done a significant amount of ST disk dumping with either SuperCard Pro or Kryoflux and if there's already been discussion on preferred software to use, settings, formats, etc. (And/or if there's any alternate tools like 'a8rawconv' tailored for ST use?) If this is all documented somewhere, please feel free to tell me to RTFM and just post a link. Thanks, -Clay

Now that's interesting, Kevin. That's the exact same issue I had with the set I wound up with as well. Coincidence? Possible... Suspicious though.

I did see that post (partly why I replied, actually). My point is that they don't need the protection of a registered trademark, per-se. Under trade dress they can open up the 'likelihood of confusion'. If you have a license from the legal owner to use that logo, you're golden. If you purchased the rights to that logo from the prior rights holder, you're good to go, obviously. If you can prove that 1980's Coleco never legitimately had claim to the logo originally (e.g. didn't pay for it under a work-for-hire inconsistency or whatever), you could try to make a case. However, if someone else owns the rights to that brand (regardless if they specifically called out the logo) they can say that it's likely a consumer would be confused as to which is the 'legitimate' one when they see it on the shelf or online. (Who was using a logo first wouldn't matter as much as the legal ownership of the rights that control it.) (e.g. if someone starts making "Atari" branded stuff with a different logo, font, etc. there's still an issue because of the likelihood of confusion. Who is the "real" Atari?) Now, I doubt they'd ever bring a lawsuit-- it'd be expensive and time consuming and at most they'd be able to take all the profits and maybe recover legal fees-- likely not worth it to them, but at a minimum it'd be expensive to defend. IMHO, YMMV, IANAL, etc. I would definitely consult with a patent/trademark/ip attorney. Provide them with all the information and if they say you're in the clear, then don't worry about it. (But keep in mind you might need to pay to defend that claim were it ever to wind up in court or arbitration!)

IANAL-- so anything I write is worth exactly $0.00-- but you might want to read up on 'trade dress' (part of 'trademark' law in the form of the Lanham Act). It doesn't need to be registered to be enforced and covers a lot of packaging issues like size, shape, design elements, colors, etc. The tests applied can come down to "distinctive" (say, the yellow starburst on a CV cartridge box) and "likelihood of confusion". (e.g. If their lawyers took photos of original ColecoVision cartridge boxes and mixed in some modern homebrews and reproductions, would a layperson looking at them have a hard time distinguishing if they were made by Coleco or not? I suspect some people would likely be confused and that's all they need to show...)

Very suspicious...

I turned my upstream throttling off entirely, but it's not going above ~500kB/s. Probably Comcast choking off torrent traffic or something...