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#3790295 Coleco strong-arming homebrew publishers and fan sites

Posted by HkryCrkStudio on Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:28 PM

You have to at least give Chris credit for being an equal-opportunity employer!  Oh... except if you're over 21, then good luck getting a job at Clone-eco.

#3783665 Coleco strong-arming homebrew publishers and fan sites

Posted by HkryCrkStudio on Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:33 PM


Ka-boom! :)


At least not the one used by the Greenberg family during the marketing of the ColecoVision circa 1982-1985 or thereabouts.


While one of the original marks used lower case as seen above, it appears to me that Ben created a new variant for the horizontal (side-by-side) version that features all lower-case letters and a rainbow spectrum that differs from the Coleco Industries-based colour mark (unless someone found prior art examples where Coleco Industries did the same). According to my recollection and limited research, I have only ever seen the capital C capital V rainbow mark that begins with pink/red C and ends with pink/red N.


I believe you are correct sir, I dare say with my limited research also, however I only ever recall the COLECO over VISION mark all in lower case, and the single line COLECO VISION mark with enlarged C and V and a very subtle space between the words.  I can't recall any of the original material using anything but those 2 configurations.

#3783629 Coleco strong-arming homebrew publishers and fan sites

Posted by HkryCrkStudio on Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:42 PM


Unless my eyes are fooling me, RWB used your own originally-created version of the ColecoVision mark.


So............ the ColecoVision mark that Coleco Holdings is licensing out for a fee to anyone who wants to use the ColecoVision mark.... is not the ColecoVision mark.

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#3781547 Coleco strong-arming homebrew publishers and fan sites

Posted by HkryCrkStudio on Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:57 AM

I don't think it is a good idea to post anything that may help them. This whole new registration is a reaction to what have been happening in the last few weeks. They feel unsafe with the existing trademark


Exactly.  I would suggest grabbing some screenshots, if you haven't already.  All of this new trademark commotion is an attempt to cover up past sins.  Thing is, it's all publicly available info and the trademark's history is known and documented.  Can't erase past fraudulent activity.  What's done is done.

#3781090 Coleco strong-arming homebrew publishers and fan sites

Posted by HkryCrkStudio on Sat Jun 10, 2017 6:59 PM

I finally got around to watching all of CUPodcast's last piece regarding the "Coleco Holdings"/Ben Heck situation, and oh my... this is very damning for RWB.  I'm almost speechless.  I can only really repeat the words of Pat when he finally said "maybe someone should look into this".


Perhaps this should be moved to the "ColecoVision Homebrews & IP Rights Discussion" thread, but to me this is a huge smoking gun, as I don't/can't believe - and this is strictly my own opinion as I'm not a lawyer - that RWB can legally claim the ColecoVision trademark as theirs based on false pretense.  If legally challenged on this, RWB's claim wouldn't hold up at all.  I'm not sure what the implications would be for the homebrewers if this were the case - I would guess they would be able to use the ColecoVision logo without recourse against them.


Obviously, I support TPR, the homebrewers and the rest of the CV community on this one.  Not only for Coleco Holdings' recent inexplicable actions against TPR, but also for the company's actions back in 2008 when they fraudulently manipulated Ben Heck into giving them the photo of his CV portable project and logo vector file for the purposes of claiming trademark rights.  I just... can't wrap my head around that.

#3779411 Coleco strong-arming homebrew publishers and fan sites

Posted by HkryCrkStudio on Thu Jun 8, 2017 7:57 PM


Thanks for the link! Man, I sucked back then.



No problem!  And, no, you didn't suck at all.  I found this to be a very thorough and informative review!  Although we know so much more about the people behind it now than we did back then!

#3777637 Coleco strong-arming homebrew publishers and fan sites

Posted by HkryCrkStudio on Tue Jun 6, 2017 3:15 PM

You know what Chris?  If Barney the dinosaur was still alive, I could probably have him as my primary care physician.  I could go to him when I'm not feeling well, when I find a lump where it doesn't belong, when I want to have a physical done...you get the gist. 

But you know what Chris?  I wouldn't have Barney the dinosaur as my primary care physician, and do you know why that is Chris?

Because Barney the dinosaur was a dick Chris, a big, freaking dick.  He did bad things Chris, really bad things.  Probably not a good idea for me to be anywhere near him.

You want to know why its probably not a good idea to be anywhere near him Chris?  Because people tend to judge you by the company you keep.  That's why Chris.

And if you haven't learned this yet in life, well, I can't freakin' teach you.  I've already got two kids of my own.  And yes, they already know about minding the company they keep. 

If you haven't put the puzzle pieces together and realized why a certain person sought you out when they did well, again, I'm not here to teach you. 

Its not always about treating others as they treat you: its about how they treat others as well.  Again, company you keep.


This made my milk come out of my nose.

#3776077 Coleco strong-arming homebrew publishers and fan sites

Posted by HkryCrkStudio on Sun Jun 4, 2017 9:06 AM

Two cents from someone else who runs a Facebook fan page, for what it's worth...


First, I don't know what all this discussion about "coming to an agreement" is all about, there only needs to be one course of action, by Chris, to retract the Facebook complaints against the ColecoVision Fan Facebook page, and that should be the end of that.  In my opinion, Facebook fan pages such as Robb's and mine and others that do not benefit financially or in any other way by using the ColecoVision name or logo fall under Fair Use guidelines.  However, a few years back, when I set up my FB page and web site, I asked permission from RWB to use the logo, as I was unsure if I needed permission and decided to both err on the side of caution and be courteous to the brand owners.  They responded in kind.  Simple.


Any disputes over manufactured goods bearing the ColecoVision logo needs to be taken up between the parties directly involved, which in this case would be the Homebrewers and RWB.  Whatever the parties decide should be between them and only them - fan pages left out of the equation.


This is all about the continued enjoyment of a console that to most of us carries an important childhood association with it.  But most of us are not kids anymore and we should not be handling disputes like children.  Most of us in this forum, I would wager, are just wanting to enjoy a hobby, enjoy our games, and avoid drama while doing so.  We also don't want the good Coleco name to become besmirched among the gaming communities.  Please let's resolve in a mature, respectful way.

#3767968 The ColecoVision trademark

Posted by HkryCrkStudio on Tue May 23, 2017 3:29 PM


#3767275 Coleco strong-arming homebrew publishers and fan sites

Posted by HkryCrkStudio on Mon May 22, 2017 5:25 PM

They were probably hairy enough for you to not be able to see the nipple.  The nipple... THE most offensive thing in the history of the universe!  More offensive than Tom Green and Justin Bieber combined!


You must be Canadian eh?

#3464858 Coleco Chameleon .... hardware speculations?

Posted by HkryCrkStudio on Thu Mar 10, 2016 11:44 AM

But then, I also enjoyed this Nova Scotia man's enthusiasm with amateur weather forecasting, and I live in Maryland:



I am so happy you posted this :)  I just subscribed to his channel.

#3460951 Coleco Chameleon .... hardware speculations?

Posted by HkryCrkStudio on Sun Mar 6, 2016 11:54 AM

If anyone is picturing MK scrambing in a cold sweat right now to put together something to show for the "inspection", I'd bet the Chameleon planned KS campaign goal amount that he's not.  In fact, I'd bet that ZERO is happening right now.

#3459528 Coleco Chameleon .... hardware speculations?

Posted by HkryCrkStudio on Fri Mar 4, 2016 10:00 PM

Does anyone feel that the Coleco name will be forever tarnished if the new Coleco brand owners bungle how they handle the Chameleon disaster?  (the definition of "bungle" is up to individual interpretation...)


If bungled, would anyone avoid future Coleco licensed products?  Or will anyone care?

#3451818 Coleco Chameleon .... hardware speculations?

Posted by HkryCrkStudio on Fri Feb 26, 2016 10:02 PM

OMG LOL that facebook post! and the fact they deleted the Kickstarter rewards, no Kickstarter today either LOL. And I could be wrong, and I cant think of the Model off the top of my head but I am (to tipsy) almost Positive that that is an older ASrock Board LOL. Like I said I'm tipsy right now but I'm pretty sure that;s what that it LOL! *where's Popcorn"


It actually looks like maybe possibly sort of kind of like an IDE controller.  At the front, right above the left "USB" port is what looks a lot like a 40-pin IDE connection.  Not sure why the prototype would be using a 40-pin connector at that inaccessible spot on the board though... 


(EDIT: could be a 32-pin connector)

#3450317 Coleco Chameleon .... hardware speculations?

Posted by HkryCrkStudio on Thu Feb 25, 2016 4:01 PM

The project I am talking about starting is a quarterly magazine dedicated to the Coleco brand itself.  20 pages, or more if content warrants it, four times a year, available in digital PDF and physical print.  Content would range from historical articles (such as company milestones, interviews with former staff, etc), reviews of product they launched, are launching etc and of course games and yes, the Chameleon would be covered as well.  There are a ton of games being made, or have been made in the last decade and they have been missed by tons of potential fans of the ColecoVision console.  I want to change that.




Thoughts, anyone?


I love the idea and I would jump on board in some capacity if needed.  Like many here I have a strong childhood emotional connection to the company, and I'm interested in the historical content as well as a lot of the stuff that has developed in the years since Coleco called it quits in 1988.  I am, however, so far not extremely enthusiastic about the way the current brand owners conduct their business, so I'm not sure if that would disqualify my help.  Not meaning to trash River West Brands at all, I'm just not interested in them as a "brand licencer" in the whole historical context, and I fail to see how they should be regarded in the same way as the original Coleco company.  Not the same at all in the slightest, and marketing themselves as such is an inaccuracy that I wish they would correct.  However, I am hopelessly attached to the old Coleco, and always will be.  I hope you can actually get something going here it would be a great read I'm sure.