Carbon Tiger

If the C.C. adventure has done one thing right its sold a few Jaguars. Before this I never even considered the idea now I own one and 20 games it really is an under rated fun system in my estimation with a much better library then it gets credit for. We owe the Chameleon so much its given us laughs, horrible YouTube videos, great YouTube videos, and even helped in some small way move a few real game systems.

I don't want to come off as preachy but I'm also getting sick of people like this. These are people who have gotten way too much into somebody else's marketing plan. I've long since divorced myself from any kind of label created by a board room to sell me incremental updates to system hardware. I just buy games because I enjoy them I didn't sign up to be a part of a loud screeching increasingly socially maladjusted hoard of maturity devoid nitwits. However, others use it to define themselves as a person because sadly they have little else to hang their hat on aside from empty consumer purchases. Doesn't matter what the consumer purchase is mind you defining yourself by the things you buy is never healthy. Its the same reason that a lot of gaming's loudest 'professional' hobbyist can't handle what amounts to media study 101 of their hobby. Any criticism of a thing they bought is a personal attack it is shockingly immature and borderline crazy. I think it points to a deeper emotional problem with a lot of these people that likely has a multitude of causes. But I'll say this the day a person is yelling ethnic or sexual slurs at someone they've never met over a car soccer game would be the the day they should find a new hobby or stop going online because something has gone very very wrong with how the relate to society at large.

Yeah I guess it is a collector vs. player mentality. Not that I don't have plenty of stuff but I've started selling off stuff that's easily replaced by newer technology. A flash cart on the original hardware I think is a nice medium ground if you're just looking to play games and don't care for emulators for whatever reason. Collectors gotta catch em all and have the complete set. I get it but at the same time feel bad about having games I still need to get to cause I already have so many. Thanks to Steam and other cheap game sources my back catalog is a mile deep. While collecting is nice I'd hate not having the time to get to it. But you're right different 'goals' I guess.

I've just started collecting for the Jaguar and the prices outside of really rare or hard to find stuff isn't terrible by any stretch a bit high for such old games at times but nowhere near the stupid level of Nintendo stuff. The most I've spent on a game so far is about $38 to $45 each for three harder to find games (AvP, NBA Jam, Attack of the Mutant Penguins). Most of the games are around the $15 - $30 range. In my head a game is $60 so I kind of frame everything through that reference point. That being said the market is still very much hard to read. Currently I'm selling off my old SNES games so I get to do some price comparisons. I started the auctions bellow market value and just let them ride and put in BIN for the impatient. A lot of it is going as you would expect. So far the only BIN was for Super Mario World for $22 I started it at $8.00 but hey some folks don't want to wait or bid I do the same thing I hate babysitting an auction. Still some stuff is interesting to me. FF III broken save battery noted as such currently at a bid far higher then a digital download or GBA copy of the same game. FF III has been re-released on it feels like 10 different things I have a copy of it on my iPad. This game is in no way rare and my copy needs repairs. Where the crazy really ups is Chrono Trigger same situation as FF III re-released on 10 things not at all rare. Currently has a ton of bids on it is likely to break $100 at this rate. Guess I've got no room to talk I'm buying Jag games but it is interesting to see what the market defines as value even if I don't always get it. I thought flash carts would help level off prices guess I was wrong on that one.

I can say on a personal level this thread did have a positive effect in that after staring at that case for 300 pages I went and bought an Atari Jaguar. Now when I look at in the future next to my 7800 I'll remember this strange little story and laugh.

Interested in a few of those sent a PM.

His many failed business ventures also kind of paint him in a bad light. They're all centered around his gaming hobby. Now I get it he wants to work with something he's interested in but interest does not imply talent or knowledge. Also all of his ideas are really "Death of a Salesman" like get rich quick schemes that involve very little work. His business ideas are all also ripped off ideas of something else but with retro!! He's not really filling a market need just trying to replace existing ones with some nebulous idea of it will be better. Also his behind the scenes actions would get him in trouble in various ways provided he ever made real money with any of this stuff.

It's finny isn't it ? Every niche hobby or interest has its con men and frauds. The funny thing is they all seem to know each other or at least of each other and either work together to swindle the rubes or hate each other while proclaiming 'they are the fraud not I'. Thing is when two cons work together they cannot overcome their natural inclinations and the whole thing explodes in entertaining ways.

I also have to wonder how much of the original Coleco that RWB legitimately has. If I had to wager a guess they likely don't have much more then the name, logos, and some limited usage rights for certain games. Without the original core assets or intellectual proprieties what RWB has isn't worth much of anything. Its probably why despite have the name for over 10 years now they haven't really done anything with it.

This whole thing is such a fascinating car wreck. MK is no engineer that much is true but as it relates to his exact talent sales/marketing he seems to be bad at that too. Any good marketer knows how niche markets function and he seems to be totally clueless. Unless he really thinks there's this untapped wider casual market screaming for the return of games and related tech from the early to mid 1990s. I think he greatly confused the concept of a collector's market with an active market then there's all the scamming...

Jinks is trash I never could quite figure it out I get what it's going for but the elements just do not come together. Xenophobe on the other hand is Meh but a fun Meh. It plays well, controls well, and I never fell like the game was being unfair. Its presentation is just bland. A bit of a flashier presentation and I think it'd be remembered better because the underlying game is solid imo.

Donkey Kong Jr. one of my all time favorite games.

I just don't get the need for cartridges as a storage medium and game size limitations. I get it downloading patches can be a gigantic pain and when buying a console port on Steam having it be 36 gigs because it wasn't optimized is a bit annoying. I also understand that some people want physical media and not everyone has fast internet or even has fast internet as an option depending on where they live. I'm on DSL I know your pain. But at the same time better physical media options are available. You can use SD cards I mean even DVD discs could be used for a more traditional approach. Its just a self imposed technological limitation based on nothing but nostalgia and hey remember the 1980s? This isn't 1994 either with 1x CD drives like the Neo Geo CD had you can make disc based games that load quick and use programming tricks to make loading seamless.

Since Suda51 was brought up I'll throw in Killer7 if anyone says they understand that game they're lying.

This whole thing is such a cynical cash grab combined with people who seem to know nothing about running a business let alone one in a competitive market like video games. Its somewhat disheartening honestly to see people trying to cash in on other peoples' childhood memories. Because lets face facts carts, chip/hu cards, and floppies were used because they were the best we had at the time not because they have some sort of innate purity over CDs, Blu-rays, or DVDs. Retro style games are being made every day many of them quite good and very affordable so its not like this is an ignored market segment either. I'm not collecting old 7800 and 2600 games because of ideological purity its because I like collecting old tech. If it was just about playing the games I could run an emulator. The VGS folks seem to think retro stuff is about form i.e. the cartridge and not about the things people are nostalgic about which is about being objects form a particular place and time.