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What is ‘Odd It Will Be Watching’ as that looks really intriguing on the trailer…

Thank you so much, crescent memories sounds like a great way of getting the game… thank you so much for all the information.

How rare is this game as one is on eBay and the seller claims only about 80 of these were ever made. Is this an accurate number or did William Thorup actually release this game in higher numbers than that. It’s one of those games I’d totally forgotten ever got released but would be interested to add to my collection but did wonder about it’s rarity. Another important question is how good is it - I’m guessing it’s pretty much a generic Flappy Birds game or is there more to it?

Just read Clipped Claws Atari Jaguar history and really enjoyed it. The picture shows some other Atari books I have picked up from eBay last year when they popped on there really cheap. What other Atari books do people recommend? I realise one’s on the Jaguar are pretty much non existent so that is why I enjoyed Clipped Claws so much as a PDF on my e-reader.

Just to say a massive thank you for uploading the clipped claws book which I read a few weeks ago and really enjoyed - did you ever add this to Amazon so they can print off hard copies of them and sell them.

You are right that some games have increased well in value and some not so… Attack of Mutant Penguins, Doom, Missile Command 3D, Defender 2000, Power Drive, AVP all sell for high amounts when they turn up on eBay sealed where others like Chequred Flag, Brutal Sports Football, Iron Soldier, Dragon, Busby maybe cost me £15 to £20.and only sell for £40 to £50 nearly a decade later so I guess some games are more readily available still and maybe the word investment on my behalf wasn’t quite right. To be honest it was also the sheer fun of collecting them all as well and sourcing them from either Peter at Telegames or getting the likes of a box of 6 Pitfalls from USA as that was a cheaper option then maybe selling three of them on eBay UK and the three I had left were basically for free… It was trying to build a collection as cheaply as possible that was the fun too, buying four of a game then selling two and the two you kept were basically free. I wish I could find something new to collect nowadays that would be as enjoyable as the Jaguar games were to collect but don’t think I will as the inherited love for the Atari brand from my 2600 days through to the Jaguar days can’t easily be replicated across to anything else - only maybe Tron and I collected all of that stuff over 20 years ago.

I did full sealed set collecting (many not in that picture) but found most Telegames titles in the UK weren’t sealed when I was getting them from Telegames UK but years later got quite a few of the Telegames titles sealed from USA (might have been Songbird popping a seal on them) these were IS2 and Breakout 2000s etc.… The Atari ones were all sealed with hangtags on them so those to me where the more official ones were the later Telegames titles were never really sold sealed until years later…. To try and collect a fully sealed set now will not be a cheap adventure to start on unlike back in 2015-2018 when I tried to do it - most original Atari titles I have 2 to 5 sealed copies of with the exception of a single sealed Rayman which was the hardest to find and bought from Germany for £160 and AVP which I got two of only as once you got around 2018 that would be on eBay for over £300 ($400) - I got one from Telegames at £90 and one from a guy in Libya who had a gaming shop with loads of sealed Jaguar games and it was £150 - he had stacks of sealed Jaguar games but I can’t remember the name of his shop but it was online… I know some people criticise sealed games collecting but for me I knew eventually something more widely available than a skunkboard would be released allowing me to play all the Jaguar games off an SD Card and all the Roms would be easy to source so I kept them all sealed - in hindsight it was a very wise financial decision to make as those sealed copies of Attack of the Mutant Penguins were £15 each and are now worth significantly more than I paid for them… I do wish you the best of luck if you want to start collecting a full sealed set nowadays but the days of sourcing them all relatively cheaply are probably gone as most of the old stock has been bought up by people like me who nearly ten years ago could not understand why sealed games from a historically relevant gaming brand like Atari were so cheap twenty years after the demise of their final machine.

The Jaguar for me will always be associated with Doom which for me is one of my favourite games ever. Wolfenstein holds fond memories too as when I was at university studying engineering I saw that on one of the PCs in the computer lab and was blown away by how great it looked… Recently I spotted ‘First Person Shooter’ a 4 hour documentary about the rise of the FPS as a gaming gendre and loved how it looked going from the Wolfenstein days through to Goldeneye and Halo and everything in between. It was a Kickstarter campaign that I had missed but the company who made it have spare stock left over after the campaign and are selling it for another few days for a limited time- there may be a week left but once the stocks gone it’s gone. I’ve ordered it on blu ray even though it was expensive at £40… Just thought I’d pass the information on as maybe some people on here have a fondness for First Person Shooters too… FPSDOC.COM… I’ve bought it as a Xmas present to myself however sad that sounds - it’s region free and they ship worldwide from UK. It does look great with excellent reviews so maybe one or two others with a fondness for Doom might appreciate it too.

I for one will always be eternally grateful to Peter at Telegames. I started collecting Jaguar games in 2015, when I found my old console and some loose carts on my mums attic and it reignited by interest. I did an online search and was amazed to find Telegames still in business having bought Colecovision games off them decades earlier. Yes the website was a bit old fashioned but there was nowhere else selling brand new sealed Jaguar games that literally looked like they had just come off a shop shelf. Attack of the mutant Penguins £15 Doom £25 Wolfenstein £25 Missile Commsnd 3D £30 Defender £30 Brutal Football £15 Iron Soldier £20 Baldies CD £10 - he must have had a mass of them… and nearly every other game except Atari Karts - prices usually from £15 up to AVP which had a high price of about £70 for brand new and sealed. The Telegames titles such as Breakout 2000, IS2 etc always were expensive - £60 up to £80 - which was hard to swallow when their boxes often looked poorly printed compared to the far cheaper non Telegames titles but I still bought them I know Telegames have had some stick over the years for the box quality but I for one have nothing but praise for Peter for all the games I got from him between 2015 and 2019… I know my collection of 130 sealed games is a tad excessive with 6 sealed copies of Attack of the Mutsnt Penguins, 5 sealed copies of Doom etc and at least two sealed of every other Atari game and nearly all bought from Telegames at what in hindsight was a great price. yes the website may have been ancient but Peter did have the games and every order I made with him, and there were lots, were fulfilled with never a problem. I suspect others in the UK were able to build a cracking collection of games thanks to his company too. I just wonder how much he bought all that old stock for when Atari gave up on the Jaguar? It must have been crazily cheap to think he still had loads of it so many years later and was selling it relatively cheaply too - well relatively cheaply compared to todays crazy prices.

When I was actively collecting every Jaguar game back in 2015-2018 it was great fun and I eventually got a Battlesphere Gold in the UK from a guy who lived 40 miles away from me - it was listed on eBay with the pictures attached for £500 and was an auction rather than buy it now. I bought it for £559 which meant buyer owed eBay quite a lot of money in terms of fees and what would have been PayPal but In the end I went to his house and it was identical to the pictures so we started a no-sale on eBay and he took £520 cash for it. We had a great chat about videogames and how he’d come to own it - were some of these sold for charity at very random times so I think he had paid £500 for it ($750 at time) but was pleased to get his money back and not have the hassle of dealing with someone claiming the box was damaged or an empty package arriving. I do look back and think it was crazy what I paid for this when most of my other games (nearly all new and sealed) were £20 for Attack of the Mutant Penguins sealed £30 for likes of sealed Doom Wolfenstein etc up to £90 for sealed AVP and about £150 for sealed Atari Karts but I just had to have one - I do still question myself for spending so much on a niche game for a niche console but when collecting stuff you do get swept up into needing everything. If I was the person selling their BSG I would be more inclined to do a sale on here rather than eBay as I sold dozens of Jaguar games on there when building my collection to gradually buy more sealed ones but did get stung with a sale of a Telegames title to USA as buyer after two months of ownership said I think this is fake but eBay dismissed claim and so did PayPal but they then did a credit card chargeback and credit card firm always side with their customers so they got a full refund and got to keep the game. That pretty much brought my eBay selling to a stop when I realised how easy you can be ripped off - and I supplied actual invoice from Telegames in my claim and all my photos and details about how Telegames boxes look poor quality but I still lost - to counter claim on a chargeback was something like $200 and it looked impossible to win - that game sold for £150 at the time. So a word to the wise - cash is king, local sale - you can lose out on eBay very badly, such things as sell a sealed valuable game, they claim something wrong with it and send you back an opened one and they will say ‘well I had to open it, what’s the problem’ when you assumed you were maybe selling to a sealed games collector. Sell a excellent condition boxed game they claim it’s damaged and send you back their damaged and squished game and box and keep yours mint one. And there is literally nothing you can do about it. With regards the BSG game that may be selling, eBay seems great and it will sell for a higher price but you are better taking less money and knowing your buyer is reputable or better still local with cash. I lost £150 on my eBay sale and was so mad I still have the persons address for next time in USA and for six months was going to visit them and ask for my game back next time I was over in Florida - then I remember you Americans have guns and decided maybe move on… And that was only over £150 ($180) so I can’t imagine how annoying it would be to lose the value of a BSG to someone.

Shack news have a new interview with Jeff Minter where he discusses coding for the Jaguar and why one of Atari’s old games Akka Arrh was never released - could someone add the link please as the interview is on YouTube and I can’t add the link for some reason…

Just spotted the trailer for 3D ZYX on YouTube… A new Wave1 game for Jaguar… Opinions?… YouTube search 3D ZYX - could someone add direct link please…

All of mine are in cardboard boxes same as normal Jaguar games - there is no way I would buy any if they were in DVD boxes. Every one I own from Baldies, Myst, Hoverstrike,, BattleMorph, Highlander and Dragons lair were all supplied in proper cardboard boxes a bit bigger in size than the Jag Cart boxes...I see people selling pirated Jag CD games on ebay (usually the ones that never had proper releases) in DVD boxes and think they look awful... I have seen Iron Soldier 2 in DVD boxes but Telegames in UK still sells them in proper cardboard box... I would 100% never buy any CD games in a DVD box as they just look like cheap pirated copies without the actual cardboard box. Okay some games like Braindead 13 or Primal Rage you might only get in a CD jewel case as original owner might have thrown the box away but any retail release in a DVD case just looks like a cheap pirated copy bought off ebay I really dislike CD games in non card boxes - Blue Lightning and Vid Grid look great in the big boxes too that someone had made up for them a few years ago but those were never released in big boxes so I'm grateful to the person who made those boxes. Seems a shame if some games are being sold in DVD boxes for full price - I would just assume they were cheap pirated copies and would assume they would have a very low resale value if you ever decided to sell them if any value at all.

I bet Peter at telegames would do an interview about his company - sales@telegames.co.uk - if i remember right