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In Topic: What was your first microcomputer upgrade?

Yesterday, 7:28 PM

The kids of today would not believe us if we told them our first computer didn't have any means of storing or retrieving things into the computer memory, and all software we wanted to run had to be typed in each time (unless one would own e.g. a game cartridge). Spending perhaps a few days without a tape recorder might be agreeable, but two weeks or like jhd, five month must have been an exercise in patience.

In Topic: classic battle atari 8bit vs commodore 64

Yesterday, 6:33 AM

Aha, I see. Panasonic both made business computers, own home computers and MSX standard computers. Sharp however stayed outside of the MSX standard altogether, just like NEC and Fujitsu to name a few more major Japanese computer brands.

In Topic: classic battle atari 8bit vs commodore 64

Yesterday, 6:13 AM

Wow! Even MSX which otherwise is considered only to have been sold as music gear in your part of the world?

In Topic: classic battle atari 8bit vs commodore 64

Yesterday, 5:49 AM

The TRS-80 Color Computer 1-3 has a unique spot in personal computer history though, 


Sure, that is why I edited my previous post from "they are just a parenthesis" to "they used to be just a parenthesis". During the time period we're discussing, barely a word was mentioned or written about Tandy computers here. For a brief recap, this how the brand fared in Sweden:


In the late 1970's, at first there was an importer who decided that personal computers sell themselves, so they got the TRS-80 Model 1 and did more or less nothing to market it or obtain resellers. Apparently computers back then just as little as today sell themselves, so after a while either they dropped the import or Tandy revoked it.


Then came another importer who had the direct opposite approach. They were watching what Datatronic was doing with Commodore, producing close to 100 different business software packages for the CBM/PET series which helped it become a major business computer over here, long into the early 1980's. The TRS-80 importer decided they needed to do the same, offer native business software in Swedish, for the local market. What they didn't realize though is that it takes time and money to build a such software library, at the same time your competitors already has turn key ready solutions.


After a little more time came a third importer of the TRS-80 line, who decided to work on the CP/M compatibility side instead of the native TRS mode, and determined some of the business software could just as well be imported, perhaps even in English or lightly adapted to local conditions. By then, the CBM/PET, Apple ][ series and Luxor ABC-80 and ABC-800 to a big part already had cornered the small business market and with the IBM PC around the corner it was too late to introduce the TRS-80 series in big scale to businesses.


When it comes to the 6809 based series, you probably know about the Dragon 32 and 64 models, made from the same Motorola reference hardware design as the CoCo is based on. As far as I understand the Dragons are fairly software compatible too, and hit the market over here well ahead of that Tandy through another importer could introduce the actual CoCo, grossly overpriced. With the ongoing competition and soon to be price wars, the CoCo didn't look any more attractive than "oddball" systems like the Oric-1/Atmos, Acorn Electron, all sorts of Hong Kong or otherwise Far East based computers like the VTech Lasers, the EACAs etc. Generally speaking, Europe seemed far more diverse when it came to home computers from all over the world than the US market ever was, though of course most of them got weeded out quite quickly.


Exactly what happened with later Tandy computers, I'm not sure. That refers both to the CoCo 3 and all the Tandy 1000 based PC systems. Possibly someone sold them somewhere, but you'd have to know that the brand existed and look around in order to find a reseller. Nothing that either business or home/games oriented computer magazines would write anything about IMHO.


Of course fast forward to the 21th century and the access to Internet, when we get to learn about respective parts of the world and fill in gaps of history where it turns out that the various TRS-80 designs had a stronger following in its country of origin than it possibly had overseas.


Regarding the comments of an alternative universe, underground movement, earlier on we compared some of the early general purpose US computer magazines and found that e.g. COMPUTE! had close to zero Tandy content the first years, that Creative Computing had a little and that most owners would instead subscribe to special TRS-80 and CoCo oriented magazines instead of the general purpose ones. While Atari, Apple, Commodore, TI etc owners also had their specialized magazines with more content, at least the mentioned magazines strived to cover those formats.

In Topic: The Official Atari Age Secret Santa 2018 thread

Yesterday, 3:09 AM

Whatever you write on the declaration, don't just put "Gift" in text and check the box for gift. Customs don't really like such packages, I've received some and had to send in documentation what ought to be in the box in order to get it delivered.