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#2163072 Digital Joysticks provide better control than Analog Joysticks

Posted by Stephen on Mon Dec 20, 2010 8:16 PM

Talk about biased envious snakes,

I can deal with various people on the level they are at-- some are not worth replying to. In that post, your behaviour was like an envious snake. That's the fact. You actually should have accused Ledzep of the personal attacks first and then discussed whether my rebuttal constitutes any. But you didn't do that. I am as cool as ever. If someone argues with me that the moon is made of yellow cheese, it doesn't upset me but the false accusations were more of the concern there.

Regarding your modern analog joysticks, although they are somewhat different from the ones in post #1-- you are missing control. You have NO IDEA what state your joystick is in and you are relying on feedback to help your determine the state of your crippled joystick. They purposely made those games for their analog joysticks. Had they made digital joysticks for those games perhaps with multiple buttons or whatever, you would have better control than analog joysticks. I suggest your review those 5 points I mentioned regarding faults with analog joysticks and some or most would apply to modern analog joysticks as well.

Regarding other analog controllers, I am only going to discuss digital joysticks vs. analog joysticks as I don't want to digress to other things again.

If you think I am envious of an arrogant split personality (half female at that) internet troll, you are more delusional than for thinking that people buy your scientific fact bullshit. I make a damn good living coding at a global company, so I am not at all threatened by your pompous ass. You want to compare IQ results or college transcripts and GPAs, go for it. I'll gladly post mine since you feel you have something to prove.

Why don't you want to discuss anything else? Tired of losing the debates to people who are smarter than you? You seem to suffer from "little man" syndrome. Wonder exactly what is missing that you are compensating for?


#2163039 Digital Joysticks provide better control than Analog Joysticks

Posted by Stephen on Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:23 PM

Forgot to address the "tyrant mentality". You assume a role of a leader although you have no qualifications-- a tyrant mentality. Not a personal attack. Once again you distort things to suit your needs of framing innocent people. Oh, by the way ALTERNATIVE is NOT synonymous with substitute. Another distortion.

Hopefully, people are smart enough to know that your replies are trash.

Well, we are all smart enough to know that you and atarksi are the same person. Does that count?


#2163037 Digital Joysticks provide better control than Analog Joysticks

Posted by Stephen on Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:21 PM

It's ledzep who did the personal attacks so stop with the tyrant mentality. And for your information "not being able to read" is not a personal attack. He is factually misreading -- maybe on purpose. I don't think it's a personal attack if you bothered reading the post. Ledzep claimed it's idiotic to use math (which AtariKSI used). But on the contrary, using mathematical proof is better than experimental so that makes him the idiot. Not really a personal attack but true. And initiator is Ledzep. And he's been doing it for like two months including mocking the user IDs which are more personal items.

Hey atariksi. How stupid do you think everyone is on this board? Same mailing address, same IP address, same typing style, same bullshit arguments, answering "each others" posts all the time.

Cause for a ban - as well as all of your personal attacks. For someone who believes in karma, you sure act like an asshole and treat people bad.


#2163034 Digital Joysticks provide better control than Analog Joysticks

Posted by Stephen on Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:19 PM

Post 1000?

edit: yep, 1000 posts here, each one better than the next. Time to call "Coles Notes", to see if they can work their magic.

Can you feel the anger rising in each successive atariksi post? For someone who accuses others of being emotional and dishing out personal attacks in every one of his posts, he sure does quite a bit of the same.

Last post had "idiot", "retard", "I don't care about your crap", his favorite "straw man argument". Sadly, the "chewbacca defense" was not called out. I miss that one.


Talk about biased envious snakes,

You really need a break.

Digital joysticks provide better control than analog joysticks is the topic. If you can't stick to it, then don't bother commenting.

Wow - sounds like you are really upset. I am really hurt that you think I am a snake. I am crying as I type this.

Thanks for making me see how shitty analog sticks are. I'll quit using them when playing my 360. I'll stick to PacMan and Donkey Kong on my 30 year old A8.

Hell - I am also disconnecting the accelerator pedal, clutch, brake, and steering wheel on my car and installing digital switches so I control my car better. Can't wait to see how much control I have been missing all these years


#2162699 Digital Joysticks provide better control than Analog Joysticks

Posted by Stephen on Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:46 PM

Post 1000?

edit: yep, 1000 posts here, each one better than the next. Time to call "Coles Notes", to see if they can work their magic.

Can you feel the anger rising in each successive atariksi post? For someone who accuses others of being emotional and dishing out personal attacks in every one of his posts, he sure does quite a bit of the same.

Last post had "idiot", "retard", "I don't care about your crap", his favorite "straw man argument". Sadly, the "chewbacca defense" was not called out. I miss that one.


#2160669 Digital Joysticks provide better control than Analog Joysticks

Posted by Stephen on Fri Dec 17, 2010 6:42 PM

Yes, rotary phones don't rely on feedback. You know their states a priori.
All of my 5 points made earlier today still stand.

Explain to me how you know what number you are dialing without FIRST LOOKING TO SEE WHERE TO PUT YOUR FINGER??? That my dense friend is VISUAL FEEDBACK.


#2160593 Digital Joysticks provide better control than Analog Joysticks

Posted by Stephen on Fri Dec 17, 2010 4:34 PM

In a rotary phone vs. an analog joystick, you don't know the state of the analog joystick in selecting the number before you hit trigger or something to dial that number. In a rotary phone, you spin the dial for the number so no need to wait for some feedback. You are also looking at the analog joystick, but there's no way to tell what state it's in. That's not the feedback, the feedback is after you dial do you know what you dialed a priori? You don't. It's uncertain.

If you rely on feedback, you can have flight simulation controls with a digital joystick. They already exist. I think what he was talking about was the REAL flight controls in an airplane which don't have any digital equivalent.

Hey atariksi. How do you know the # on the rotary phone? You look at it and rely on that feedback before spinning the dial. Is your vision not acute enough to look at an analog stick (or feel it with your hands) so that you can use the same feedback? What if I made and put an indicator on the baseplate of an analog stick? Would that give me the same awesome control as the rotary phone then? I would have a direct visual indicator which would give me your favorite words - are you ready - a priori knowledge.


#2160483 Digital Joysticks provide better control than Analog Joysticks

Posted by Stephen on Fri Dec 17, 2010 1:55 PM

Thanks to all trolls for leaving; I think I need more intellectuals than trolls here anyway.

And the most ironic statement of the year goes to...

If his IQ was 1/4 of his ego and arrogance he'd put Stephen Hawking to shame! I would love him to teach me. I want to truly believe I am all knowing and infallible. Maybe he could teach me double (female) personalities as well. Everyone tells me I have girl's hair.


If you separated facts from speculation in your life, you would have a better life.

Maybe the moon is made of yellow cheese (it sure looks like it), maybe Columbus did fall off the earth when he was sailing his ship and landed in another ocean/land on another plane but due to the storm and mist they didn't notice it, maybe nobody went to the moon and those scenes were shot in a hollywood type studio in the Nevada desert, maybe you are girl, maybe there are many people who are pretending to be someone else, maybe blah blah etc. etc.

The only person here doing that is clearly you.


#2160480 Digital Joysticks provide better control than Analog Joysticks

Posted by Stephen on Fri Dec 17, 2010 1:54 PM

If you separated facts from speculation in your life, you would have a better life.

Maybe the moon is made of yellow cheese (it sure looks like it), maybe Columbus did fall off the earth when he was sailing his ship and landed in another ocean/land on another plane but due to the storm and mist they didn't notice it, maybe nobody went to the moon and those scenes were shot in a hollywood type studio in the Nevada desert, maybe you are girl, maybe there are many people who are pretending to be someone else, maybe blah blah etc. etc.

Well, in your little world, you would come on here, and tell someone you did an experiment that showed the moon was made of cheese. The experiment would likely consist of you looking at hundreds of MB of data (pictures of the moon). You would state it as scientific fact using your a priori knowledge of the universe. Then you would spout it as an irrefutable fact, and claim everyone who didn't buy it was stupid.


#2160477 Digital Joysticks provide better control than Analog Joysticks

Posted by Stephen on Fri Dec 17, 2010 1:51 PM

Trolls of the same feather flock together. Maybe you also want me to admit that sun doesn't rise in the east, or the earth is flat or some other such nonsense. Get a life. You have no idea what you are talking about. You are completely deluded. I already refuted Bryan Mcnett's comment. Some fool brought it up to cover the truth and you followed blindly like you do for analog joysticks. He's only interested in making trouble for people and in flame wars if you read his posts in this thread. He will pay someone if it gets me in trouble. Refute the arguments intellectually rather than through name-calling or persona attacks. and I'll respect you. Other wise, all trolls clear out.

I have yet to see one refutation to:

(1) eliminating regions of uncertainty in DK and other games for analog joysticks
(2) reducing throw to less than or equal to digital joysticks for analog joysticks
(3) feedback reliant is inferior to knowing states a priori
(4) analog interface itself produces inexact states even after the joysticks are read compared to digital states
(5) analog joysticks have inferior sampling rates (speaking of joysticks in post #1)

I'm far from a troll, but think what you will, I could care less.

I have yet to see from you:
(1) - An admission that flight simulator games are better with analog because you have MORE CONTROL just like on a real plane.

BTW - there have been valid refutations to:
#2 Many short throw analog sticks exist - you ignored examples of PS2 and XBox 360 "thumb-sticks", as well as the little nubs on laptop keyboards. You seem to have a habit of ignoring evidence that doesn't fit your expected results.

#3 Screen feedback is needed for all games. You may think that using terms such as "a priori" make you seem smart, but nobody is buying it.


#2160280 Digital Joysticks provide better control than Analog Joysticks

Posted by Stephen on Fri Dec 17, 2010 9:14 AM

I can say that I've learned something today. I had always thought atariksi was a cool hacker and stood up for him back in the day, when people gossiped about his appearance or beliefs. Seeing him here try to "edit the matrix" to assert moral and technical dominance over me puts an end to all that.

I didn't really pay attention to this the first time I read it, but I think that tells us a lot.
For one, I think it rules out trolling. He really is like this in person.

Same here. His behaviour is nothing new, his arguments are nothing new. I don't classify this behaviour as trolling. He is delusional as he truly believes he is infallible and all-knowing. His opinions are meant to be taken as facts by everyone else, he is not to be questioned, and he is never wrong. The sooner we foolish, biased, emotional mere mortals realize this, the better off we will all be :roll:

I know I (and others) should just stop posting here, but he is not the only person that can be stubborn. Sometimes when a person is wrong, they need to be shown they are wrong.


#2160217 Digital Joysticks provide better control than Analog Joysticks

Posted by Stephen on Fri Dec 17, 2010 7:05 AM

Thanks to all trolls for leaving; I think I need more intellectuals than trolls here anyway.

And the most ironic statement of the year goes to...

If his IQ was 1/4 of his ego and arrogance he'd put Stephen Hawking to shame! I would love him to teach me. I want to truly believe I am all knowing and infallible. Maybe he could teach me double (female) personalities as well. Everyone tells me I have girl's hair.


#2159401 Digital Joysticks provide better control than Analog Joysticks

Posted by Stephen on Thu Dec 16, 2010 7:42 AM

All you did was spew out what you THINK and shove the facts under the rug as if they didn't exist. All experiments are ONLY PROVEN for the person performing the experiment. *** Endless drivel snipped ***

Then please pray tell why you seem to feel that YOUR results apply to everyone else? Why does your supposed hundreds of megs of (picture) data supposed to make us bow down to you and say "You are correct - analog sticks are better"?

You have really been contradicting yourself a lot lately.


I never said "analog sticks are better". I have no idea where you read that. The experiment shows that digital joysticks provide better control than analog joysticks.

Check this out, it will be a new thing for you. I made a mistake - I meant to say "digital sticks are better" (which you keep thrusting on us). Unlike you, I can admit when I am wrong.

Why do you still refuse to address the fact that you believe YOUR results apply to everyone else? You certainly don't feel that way when anybody else here posts conflicting evidence.


#2158590 Digital Joysticks provide better control than Analog Joysticks

Posted by Stephen on Wed Dec 15, 2010 7:45 AM

Only a few people were beating around the bush with that idea who already have an emotional disposition against what I write in this thread. Hardly the ones to be trusted especially in the last 3 pages. It's the sore loser mentality basically as described earlier.

Serious question - have you ever in your life admitted to being wrong about anything? Or do you really believe you are incapable of error? Do not answer this in context of this thread as there is a much bigger world out there.


#2158178 Digital Joysticks provide better control than Analog Joysticks

Posted by Stephen on Tue Dec 14, 2010 5:36 PM

Emotional? Not hardly.. Im just bored, and I find it hilarious...

And I dont have to create a bogus female account to support my arguments either..


Well, you are welcome to attend the philosophy class we hold here and meet both of us at the same time.

What philosophy is this (I am genuinely curious)? I am not aware of any decent teachings that would make me believe I am always correct, incapable of making mistakes, unbiased, purely logical. Who do you think you are, Admiral Spock?

Of course with your holier than thou, all knowing attitude, you would make a great religious leader / preacher. Funny that nobody here except your 2nd user account seems to follow any of your so called "teachings".