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#2157866 Digital Joysticks provide better control than Analog Joysticks

Posted by Stephen on Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:09 AM

But the math for an inequality is simple whereas for F=ma you need to set up some sort of vacuum to try to get to an exact relationship. If I play Donkey Kong 10 times with a digital joystick and 10 times with an analog joystick and my score is on the average higher using digital joystick, I can say digital joystick control > analog joystick. It would be same experiment as if I took 10 or more different masses and accelerations and computed F=ma.

NO NO NO NO NO

It would mean that YOU do better with an analog stick, not the rest of the world. I know you think you are god and what is right for you is right for everyone else, but sadly this is not the case.

If I eat 10 apples then eat 10 chocolate bars, and enjoy the chocolate more, I guess by your reasoning that means that chocolate is better than apples for EVERYONE in the universe. Arrogant fool.


You are the fool here. You are not quantizing the "enjoyment" whereas the scores and the high failure rate of the analog joysticks vs. digital joysticks is a measurable quantity. You try jumping from one ledge to another in Miner 2049er and you'll see the high failure rate as many have already seen. You don't have to be god to see the reasoning. More uncertainty means more failure.

Nothing foolish on my part. Equating "better" control with mass (since you love using the invalid F=ma argument)is completely invalid. Mass can be quantitatively measured and will not change from one person to the next. Just because you have the inability to use an analog device doesn't mean the rest of the world shares your inadequacy.


#2157809 Digital Joysticks provide better control than Analog Joysticks

Posted by Stephen on Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:57 AM

But the math for an inequality is simple whereas for F=ma you need to set up some sort of vacuum to try to get to an exact relationship. If I play Donkey Kong 10 times with a digital joystick and 10 times with an analog joystick and my score is on the average higher using digital joystick, I can say digital joystick control > analog joystick. It would be same experiment as if I took 10 or more different masses and accelerations and computed F=ma.

NO NO NO NO NO

It would mean that YOU do better with an analog stick, not the rest of the world. I know you think you are god and what is right for you is right for everyone else, but sadly this is not the case.

If I eat 10 apples then eat 10 chocolate bars, and enjoy the chocolate more, I guess by your reasoning that means that chocolate is better than apples for EVERYONE in the universe. Arrogant fool.


#2157310 What the hell's an F-Plug?

Posted by Stephen on Mon Dec 13, 2010 4:42 PM

Yeah, I read the topic & immediately Sheila Brovlovsky popped into my head... "What the hell's a rimjob?"

LOL - "Mooooooooooom, if you were in a German scheisse video, you'd tell me right"? "Sure pooopy kins" :D Haven't watched that show in years.


#2154386 Digital Joysticks provide better control than Analog Joysticks

Posted by Stephen on Thu Dec 9, 2010 4:05 PM

What got a laugh was your thought experiment or better stated as speculation-- mental regurgitation of pure drivel would be an underestimation. You are free to express your opinion but as I said it means ZERO to me in face of the facts presented in this thread. I already gave the BASIC experiment which is easily performed to determine which joystick allows you to know the states a priori and digital joystick wins hands down. You can't look at games after the fact. You have to have games that are designed for both or use a joystick simulator to allow use of both types of joysticks for the games if doable and then it's controlled. Here's the BASIC experiment and try it yourself since you are too lazy to read up on the thread:

Connect analog joystick to Atari 800 with pin 5 to potY and pin 9 to potX and +5V to POT GND and fire button to pin 3 with GND at pin 8:

10 ?PADDLE(0),PADDLE(1),PTRIG(0)
20 GOTO 10

Now for digital joystick do:

10 ? STICK(0),STRIG(0)
20 GOTO 10

Now close your eyes and take joystick to one of the 9 states and guess the values and then see if they are true. The 9 states are the 8 directions and center. You just have to take your analog joystick to the thresholds where the states change. Now you know what I'm talking about in terms of control.

So let me get this straight. You post a piece of code which is purely biased to how a digital stick works because by design you ignore any in between states. You know the result you want before you run the experiment, so you design the experiment to support that result. That is OK because it supports your point of view (which of course is the only one in the universe that you feel holds any weight).

bmcnett asks a question about a game that an analog stick is better suited for and that is mindless drivel?

You truly are a piece of work.


#2152469 Digital Joysticks provide better control than Analog Joysticks

Posted by Stephen on Tue Dec 7, 2010 6:53 AM

I would love to live in a fantasy land where my opinion was fact and I was never wrong. Can you offer me some guidance all knowing one?


#2152231 Digital Joysticks provide better control than Analog Joysticks

Posted by Stephen on Mon Dec 6, 2010 8:14 PM

Really?

Who?

I'm also curious. It's odd that I am accused of repeating myself, not refuting points, and being stubborn. Seems that this would be another case to add to your list :) "Pot, kettle, black".


#2152119 Digital Joysticks provide better control than Analog Joysticks

Posted by Stephen on Mon Dec 6, 2010 6:08 PM

Saying digital joysticks > analog joysticks in control is mathematical just like F=ma.

I am not sure about what you meant by scientific method is world of bias, skepticism, opinion, etc.

It certainly is not mathematical nor is it the same thing as F=ma. There is no room for subjective opinions to creep into the F=ma equation. Nobody can argue the mass or gravitational constant.

I also don't know why it won't sink into your stubborn head that analog sticks give MORE range of control. I know you like to argue and in your own little world are always correct.

Let's forget these simple games like PacMan designed for a 4-way digital stick. Go play a modern racing simulator (Forza 3, Gran Turismo 5, etc) with the dual analog pads (stock controller for the XBox 360 or PS3), then play it using only the D-pad. I challenge you to find someone who can get better lap times and more control with the D-pad. Why is that? Maybe because in the real world, the car's gas, brake, and clutch are NOT digital in nature.

Talking to your two personalities is like arguing with a brick wall. I am obviously the retarded one since I keep responding to your drivel. And don't spew anything about name calling. I'll call myself retarded if I see fit.


#2150866 Digital Joysticks provide better control than Analog Joysticks

Posted by Stephen on Sat Dec 4, 2010 9:40 PM

LOL - this thread suddenly reminds me of the Month Python skit where Cleese is paid for an argument.


#2150704 Digital Joysticks provide better control than Analog Joysticks

Posted by Stephen on Sat Dec 4, 2010 5:49 PM

Hey, you've dished it out pretty huge makeitpersonalski. Fair is fair you know.

Brave enough to face reality? You, who have invoked a spare persona?

LOL!!!

I'll certainly register a yea vote to that.

Where's the data?

Have you played "a priori" with no visual feed back yet? Have results to share?

I declare this refuted, barring some new data. All in favor, say "yea", all against, say "ney". Let's take a informal vote!




#2148567 Digital Joysticks provide better control than Analog Joysticks

Posted by Stephen on Wed Dec 1, 2010 7:08 PM

It's not name calling - you're arrogance and failure to admit you are wrong (which you have never done because in your eyes you have never been wrong) is a fact.


I think it was you who was complaining before about being forced to accept digital joysticks being superior and now you are trying to force people to accept they are wrong blindly without a shred of evidence. Digital joysticks run circles around analog joysticks. If majority of modern machines were using digital controllers and someone argued analog were superior, you would argue in favor of digital. It's the normal blind following the blind philosophy. There's no use for analog joysticks at all. If they didn't exist, nobody would miss them. They are inherently flawed.

I'm not forcing anything. I refuted a statement you made and provided ample evidence which dozens of other people seemed to easily comprehend. You two(one) are the ones trying to shove your OPINIONS as fact on everyone else here. Seems that everyone else on this thread except you two(one) can see that. Just because a large number of people agree on something doesn't make it right. However, your biased opinions are no more right than the rest of ours are wrong.

Believing otherwise proves the arrogance I referred to earlier. I sincerely hope everything in your life isn't as black and white as this issue is for you. I cannot comprehend going through life being so narrow minded.


#2148563 2600 better than the 800 ?

Posted by Stephen on Wed Dec 1, 2010 7:01 PM

It's always said the 800 is quite the double 2600.... but, as it seems, some things worked better in the 2600.


Double the 2600 but half the 7800 :ponder: ;) :lol:

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Well, if we allow the 7800's expansion module, then it is fair to allow the VBXE2 on the A8. Not a chance in hell the 7800 is touching that :thumbsup:


#2148284 Digital Joysticks provide better control than Analog Joysticks

Posted by Stephen on Wed Dec 1, 2010 11:48 AM

It's not name calling - you're arrogance and failure to admit you are wrong (which you have never done because in your eyes you have never been wrong) is a fact. I didn't call you an arrogant a-hole as that would have been name calling.

You will not admit that an analog controller has advantages such as allowing slower / faster movement in a racing game. You never addressed the issue of fretless guitar players. You never stated why real life airplanes have "analog" yokes for flight control. You never stated why a real car's clutch pedal is not a digital (full on, full off) type of controller.

You take the single-minded narrow sighted approach of re-stating your OPINION 1000 times to make it seem like it carries more weight. You offer no scientific data. You fail to explain why you feel a digital joystick is superior to a steering wheel controller with pedals for racing games.


#2148158 Digital Joysticks provide better control than Analog Joysticks

Posted by Stephen on Wed Dec 1, 2010 9:03 AM

That's a nicer conclusion than I came to. I put it down to pure and simple arrogance. Old multi-personality feels he is smarter than everyone else here, and has NEVER admitted to being wrong. It's almost a god complex, where we mortals had better not argue as we can never contradict the all knowing one(which is now two).

I would really love to know the cause of this arrogant attitude. With it comes the mistaken idea that opinion is fact, and differing opions are wrong.

Atariski/Divya(same person) would make great religious leaders. (S)he has all the traits.


#2146995 Digital Joysticks provide better control than Analog Joysticks

Posted by Stephen on Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:53 PM

You are wrong. But you are free to have an opinion that is wrong. So many do. Many people smoke although they know the consequences. Nobody is forcing you to do anything. Infinite levels with control over zero. Then you reduce it a few so you can approximate you are in some state. What a joke. Approximation is better than exactness? Maybe in your imaginary world.

I would rather extract music digitally from a CD than digitize it in through a sound digitizer. Oops, I forgot you prefer using tapes since they provide more levels which in some convulated way means more control for you.

Is your definition of wrong "not in agreement with you"? I forgot - let me bow down to your all knowing arrogance. My most sincere and humble apologies know-it-all.

P.S.
I don't prefer tapes, but vinyl sounds better than CD. Take that scientific fact and sit on it.


#2146955 Digital Joysticks provide better control than Analog Joysticks

Posted by Stephen on Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:17 PM

There's no way you are going to draw a conclusion that an analog joystick with its inexactness and inherent flaws is going to allow better control than something that's exact and 100% in giving you the states that you expect.

And there is no way you are going to force everyone on this forum to share your opinion that a digital stick which only has two states gives better control than one with dozens, hundreds, or nearly infinite which an analog stick will.

Feel free to keep trying, it's great for your post count.