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  1. These pictures shows the boards of PAL consoles. 6 swicth model 4 switch model (This is actually a "vader" system, but I think that internally is the same as the 4-switch woody) On AA archives there are schematics for the 6 switch and junior PAL, but not for the 4 switch. I hope this can help.
  2. alex_79

    Got a 2600Jr.

    Got the "black" junior this week: with the short and long rainbow I now have all the 3 variations. I love the junior because it was the system I had in my childhood (I received it when I was 6 years old), but I like the older models as well. The metal switches have a better feeling than the cheap ones of the junior, but they are rarely used during gameplay so I can't notice any substantial difference in using a model instead of the other.
  3. Nice find! I'd really like to have more info about that. Thanks!
  4. I found some info about a 2600 jr. with scart a/v output instead the rf one. It's a "short rainbow" made in Ireland and sold only in France probably for a limited period. Here there's a page with some pictures of the unit. The board is a rev. B (I have a PAL junior made in Ireland, and it has the same revision board) , the rf modulator is unpopulated and there aren't the channel select switch and the rca connector for the rf cable. The scart cable is soldered directly on the board where the rf modulator should be and it pass through the hole left by the rca socket on the case. On the bottom of the board there's a wire soldered to one of the power switch pins which goes under the metal shielding. Instead of the RGB signal provided by the French 7800, this unit outputs a PAL video-composite. Here there are some links to other pages (in French) referring to the scart(peritel) junior: http://mo5.com/musee/fiche.php?id=2600jr http://www.silicium.org/console/atarax/ata2600jr.htm http://www.silicium.org/forum/viewtopic.ph...38c29f5738fe923 http://musepat.club.fr/j_ata.htm Do any of french AA members have some more info about this? I can hardly read French and I had much difficulty to find those pages. I think it would be interesting to see detailed pictures of the board without the metal shielding because of the lack of PAL a/v mod schematics.
  5. The 7800 sold in France has a female 13 pin DIN connector on the console. The cable has a male din connector at one end and the standard scart at the other one and it's the same used for the Atari ST. Here there's the pinout for the cable. That's not a Secam console: it uses PAL games and outputs an RGB signal.
  6. Is this the thread you are referring to?
  7. Here you are Very nice! Thanks! In bocca al lupo!
  8. I replaced the pot in one of my paddles and it works perfectly. What you need is a single turn 1 Mega-ohm linear potentiometer (and a normally-opened switch for the button). Here there's a schematics of atari controllers which you can use as reference.
  9. Great game, very addictive! Just one suggestion: How about switching between last/top score in a continuous loop at the end of the game? Maybe in 2 different colors if there's space?
  10. You can easily find it on ebay from sellers outside France. Aniway, the Secam version is less common and definitely a nice addition to a 2600 collection. Moreover it seems that no one has dumped an Activision Secam game yet and the only screenshots I found are the ones you posted and those in this old thread.
  11. Those Activision games were programmed so that they look almost the same on both PAL and Secam consoles (By limiting them to 8 colors with appropriate luma values as Spiceware pointed out in this post). The same games are available in PAL only format, with more colors and not adjusted for Secam. In these screenshots you can see how the PAL rom of "River Raid" appears on a PAL machine and on a Secam one (I used z26 with -b -c2 flags). Note the difference with the pics posted by oldric: for example there's not the tree on the scenery in the PAL/Secam version, because Secam palette only has one shade of green. AFAIK, only Activision released separate roms for PAL/Secam and PAL only, while some Atari PAL games were programmed with a b&w palette adjusted for Secam (Secam consoles have the "TV TYPE" switch hardwired to b&w) or by chosing pal colors with appropiate luma values (sometimes reducing the number of colors compared to the NTSC versions):
  12. Atari 2600 jr. short rainbow (1984), PAL: This is my Atari received in 1985. The console is a short rainbow made in Ireland in 1984 (with an Atari inc. copyright) while the box pictures an all-black version. The console is complete with manual and the original pro-line joystick and it's in perfect working condition. Atari 2600 jr. long rainbow (1991), PAL: This was made in China and came with two cx79 joypads and a 32in1 cart (A yellow sticker on the box indicates the presence of the second joystick and the cartridge).
  13. I think you're referring to these and not to the Sears combination paddle/joystick bundled with the video arcade II. The name "Telegames" was used by Sears in the US for their consoles and games so it may be confusing. If you're having problems with your old paddles they probably can easily fixed: search the forum for "+jitter +paddle".
  14. The booster grip consists of two normally opened switch that connects the 2 paddle lines (pin 5-9 of controller port/ bit 7 of inpt0-1) to +5v (pin 7). Connecting a paddle in the joystick port "should" be detected as a simultaneous pression of the 2 booster grip buttons (i'm not sure about that), or you can plug a female db-9 connector and alternately shorten pin 5-7 and 9-7 to see if your code detects the buttons. I think you should mantain support for it since any joystick/joypad with at least 3 buttons can be easily rewired to act as a joystick + booster grip, even if the original device is uncommon.
  15. The european atari consoles have the rca plug on the console, but the other end of the rf-cable have a IEC 169-2 connector (wich is the standard antenna connector in europe), so they don't need the switchbox. If you buy a ntsc console you can use a cable from a pal 2600 or 7800 (they are the same) or simply cut one end of the original cable and replace the rca jack with the right connector. As Mayhem pointed out you need a TV set (or a VHS) which accept a ntsc signal through rf.
  16. I'd like to see a PAL fb2, maybe a special "30th anniversary" edition for christmas 2007...
  17. EDIT: Added some more info I found recently ------------------------------------------------------ I think that the 2600 Hardware section needs to be updated. There are some imprecisions and the archive it's focused mainly on US Atari releases. I think that some info about European market should be added since AtariAge is the point of reference also for many European Atari collectors. Here there are some corrections or info I'd like to see added (In a better english than mine, of course!). 6-switch "HEAVY SIXER" ----------- - The term "Sunnyvale edition" should be removed, since there are some heavy sixer made in Taiwan and some of the later models (including the 4 switch) were also maufactured in Sunnyvale. - It was produced until the first half of 1978 and not only in 1977. - It's "heavy" because of the thicker plastic molding of the bottom half of the case, while the rf shielding is the same as the later light sixer model. - The very early produced unit came with the spring-loaded cx-10 joystick. related topics: The Official "Heavy Sixer Serial #" list Joysticks that came with Heavy 6-er 6-switch "LIGHT SIXER" ----------- - It's light because of the reduced thickness of the plastic of the bottom half of the case, while internally is nearly the same as the "heavy" model. 4-switch "WOODY" --------------------- - This was the first 2600 wich was produced also in the SECAM version for French market 4-switch "VADER" --------------------- - The cx-40 joystick bundled with this unit were all black without the orange ring. - While in Europe the PAL vader was replaced by the junior around 1984, the production of the SECAM version continued for a few years (there are secam boards with 1987 copyright on them) related topics: When the Darth Vader Model was stopped to be produced/sold ? 2600 "JUNIOR" ------------ - In europe the jr. was available since 1984 (in the "short rainbow" and "all black" versions). It came in a large silver box, packet with 2 proline joysticks and a "centipede" cartdridge. There was also a version with only one proline joystick and without any game and later the large box was replaced with a small "lunchbox" type. The copyright on these early units is "Atari, inc.". There was also a special version made in Ireland for the French market with PAL composite video output (there wasn't a SECAM version of the junior) through a Scart connector. AFAIK this is the only official Atari 2600 with a/v output and it was produced for a short period in Ireland. Later consoles, made in Asia, came with rf output only. It was sold in europe until the early '90s (Even today new old-stock juniors aren't difficult to find on ebay), in the "all-black", "short" and "long rainbow" variations and packet with different controllers (cx-24 proline, standard cx-40 joystick and cx-78 joypad) and also with the 32in1 multicart. related topics: Atari VCS Jr. small rainbow stripe French 2600jr. with scart connector In these pictures there are some of the different packages of european juniors: (The 3rd and the last box are mine, while the other pics are taken from ebay auctions) I also took some better pictures of the jr. which can be used for the Hardware sections: 2600 Controllers section ------------------------ The cx-10, the all-black cx-40, the cx-24 proline and the cx-78 joypad should be added to this section. The "unoffical" names used to refer to the different models (heavy/light sixer, woody, vader, short/long rainbow) should be added as well, since they ar often used by collectionists and in on-line auctions. Alessandro
  18. Someone posted a schematic here on AA forums; I can't find it anymore but I've a copy on my HD: The buttons connect the paddle lines (pin 5 - 9) to +5V (pin 7).
  19. You're right, it wasn't clear. I edited the previous post and changed the pictures. Thanks!
  20. Try using a spray contact cleaner to remove the oxid inside the switches and all the connectors. Unplug also the tv cable from the board and spray the RF plug on the board and on the two ends of the cable. This simple operation reduced the video interferencies on most of my consoles. If you suspect that the cable is damaged you can try to swap it with the one on your "vader" console. The power socket has been removed and the cable soldered directly on the board. You'll need to desolder it if you want to change the bottom half of the shell (or if you want to try to fix it: if you have the broken palstic pieces you could try to glue, putty and repaint the case). Then you can solder it again or mount a new socket and plug.
  21. I had some carts which were tight to fit (even on the junior) and I discovered that the problem was a defective mold. Some of the late produced carts have bigger plastic "hooks" (sorry I don't know what the correct term is) on both sides which joint the 2 parts of the shell together. This usually is not a problem, but some of them have the left "hook" (watching the cart connector with the front label up) too big and they are very hard to fit in the cartridge slot (or they don't fit at all on certain consoles). In my experience, only the carts "made in honk kong" have those hooks and not all of them are defective. I fixed mine using a small flat file and now they all fit like a glove in all my units. in these pictures you can compare the old cart shells with the honk kong ones: the one marked in blue (PAL Solaris) was defective. ------ EDIT ------ I modified the pictures because, as A.J. Franzman rightly pointed out below, they were confusing about what exactly the defective part was. And here the same cart after fixing it:
  22. Yes, the juniors were released in Europe before 1986. I'm from Italy and I received my short rainbow junior for christmas 1985. It's made in Ireland and came in a small box with a proline joystick. The manual and the console says "Atari, Inc.", while the box has an "Atari Corp." copyright on it. Inside the console there's a sticker on the rf shielding which says "23 may 1984" and the Tia and Riot chips are socketed. The board is a "revision B". There were also older versions that came in a bigger box with 2 joysticks (proline) and a game packed in. They appear sometimes on ebay. these old threads confirm this: - Atari 2600 Jr. must have been released already in 1983 in Eu - 2600 Juniors from Atari Inc. - 2600 Junior
  23. alex_79

    Got it !

    I found these on ebay: H.E.R.O. River Raid
  24. alex_79

    Got it !

    I agree. Another odd thing is that older PAL Activision titles (boxing, tennis, fishing derby) which have few colors without shades and a b&w palette aren't adjusted for SECAM. It would be interesting to know how those SECAM games look on a PAL console, since I've read somewhere in the forum that the "juniors" sold in France were PAL only and I know they were available in Europe in 1984 (the copyright of the games in the other thread is 1983/1984).
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