DAMN this would be a nice jag port ...

[DAMN this would be a nice jag port ...]

Well there is also Running, that isn't done by dml

[Modern Development Tools and Workflow]

Plus you get gcc 4.4.something on Atari as welll. But you need lots of ram to compile anything.

[Modern Development Tools and Workflow]

MiNT+XaAES+Teradesk is about 2.5 MB's. Adding NVDI and two or more auto programs and you have very little RAM left.

[Modern Development Tools and Workflow]

Otoh, if you are running a standard falcon with 4MB's of RAM, Magic is a much better choice than mint. It all comes down to hardware

[Modern Development Tools and Workflow]

It's not pure c that's unstable. It's multitos. I'd go with a more recent version of MiNT if I were you. Multitos, especially on aranym, not a good idea.

[Finally i have the proof behind those Jaguar CD screenshots.....]

Ya, ya....I deserve that...lol. I am aware of the difference between the levels of Zero 5 on the STe/Falcon and those of the Jaguar. I own Jaguar Zero 5 and have been a subscriber to Falcon030's youtube channel for years and have watched the video of STe/Falcon version of Zero 5 numerous times. I know the levels in Zero 5 are different, but the core concept of the game is the same and they both have the turret levels, which are similar. The Jaguar Power Pad part of my post was a stretch on my part and didn't really make my point..lol.

 

I really enjoy Zero 5 and think it is a really unique shooter. Like I said earlier, the speed at which Zero 5 pushes around polygons is impressive. I still think that games like Iron Soldier 2, Battemorph, Battlesphere and Skyhammer push the Jaguar more and look more impressive.

 

Well the main difference is.. that the one is first person view and the other is third. They are very different games. They have some similar concepts but that's about it...

[So, I was playing around with some binaries today....]

 

Nah, nobody wants more 'crappy 16bit ST ports' on the ossum Jagwaaaar 64-bit Multimedia Entertainment System

 

Besides, I've got this other thing to finish. Can't remember what it's called. Reboot-something? DS? Oids? Something like that.

 

Oh, Oids! Let's go save some oids!

[Finally i have the proof behind those Jaguar CD screenshots.....]

Zero 5 was just a port of an Atari STe/Falcon game that already took advantage of the Atari Power Pad, so that didn't really push the Jaguar hardware. Besides the speed, Zero 5 looks like a low budget first Gen Jaguar game from a small euro developer that made Atari 16/32-bit computer games (and that's what it is), instead of something we would see from the big AAA euro developers of the day like Core and Psygnosis.

 

 

Atari Jaguar

 

Atari Falcon

[Modern Development Tools and Workflow]

I don't think sdl is a good option for a standard falcon. I would use something like pure c considering the costraints. If we are thinking game development on C then I guess the best option would be using the reservoir gods lib.

 

http://rg.atari.org/source.htm

[Racer 2 for Falcon]

Too bad that at Atarimania there is no search option for Falcon only games.

 

http://www.atarimania.com/list_games_atari-st-type-falcon_sttype_falcon_S_G.html

 

 

Personally though, I think this is the best list:

 

http://christophe.bray.free.fr/informatique/falcon/falcon_jeux.htm

[RVG Interviews John Mathieson.]

It's also a matter of games. In the ST we know exactly which games push the hardware to its limits. Enchanted land, Interphase, swiv etc, The jaguar has a very limited library of games so there is a perception of potential for something more. The problem is that the jag was forced to do things it wasn't good at, mainly 3d. So we'll never know how good 2d shooters and platformers we could get. So there is untapped potential, but not in the 3d for the shake of 3d direction.

[The road to Basic(s)]

It's pretty easy to get started actually. First of all there's the manual for each basic (le's say eh). You can learn the syntax of each command. Secondly there's the raptor part, you can read the raptor manual and learn about that. But that will only tell you the words of a language.

If I write some sentences in greek and you read them with a dictionary, it's not likely you'll understand much. For that the best way is to play with the code already available. Change stuff there and see what happens. That's the best way to learn IMO.

[The road to Basic(s)]

I'll stick to RBASIC now, since I hardly ever boot to windows. The more interesting part, as I understand it, is that you basically link files created with gcc, so any language that has 2C compiler can be modified for RAPTOR and linked. That would include my personal favourite X11BASIC and others. These are exciting times for jaguar development. I guess Atari should have hired you guys back in 1993 to work on these.

[How to put an image on the screen.]

Well, I have some problem understanding on how to put an image on the screen. Though I've edited the rapinit file to put my image there, it wouldn't work. Can anyone explain how raptor lists work? (I've done the necessary RTFM).

[After a few hours with RBASIC]

And here's the Henon Strange Attractor. Strange attractors are very interesting both as physical phenomena and as demonstrations . I found this online, and it only took 1 minute to get it running with rbasic. Including the time to run the build script.

1000 PRINT "Quite BASIC Math Project"
1010 PRINT "The Henon Map"
1015 PRINT "PORTED TO RBASIC"
1016 PRINT "USING RAPTOR & U235SE"
1017 FOR J=1 TO 3000:NEXT J
1020 CLS
2000 REM Set the parameters A and B
2010 LET A = 1.4
2020 LET B = 0.3
2030 REM Set initial values for X and Y
2040 LET X = 0.5
2050 LET Y = 0.5
2060 REM Initialize the iteration counter I
2070 LET I = 0
3000 REM Main iteration loop. Start plotting after 25 iterations
3010 FOR I = 1 TO 10000
3020 LET Z = X
3030 LET X = Y + 1 - A * X * X
3040 LET Y = B * Z
3050 IF I>25 THEN COLOUR(20):PLOT(36*(X + 1.4),100*(Y + 0.5))
3060 LET I = I + 1
3070 NEXT I

HENON.ABS

[After a few hours with RBASIC]

So if you have the time and you want to test your system or virtualjag for long term stability here's version 2.0

 

Many thanks to Reboot for adding PLOT and COLOUR and helping with the random number generator. Also note that though some optimizations for speed have been made, this is a simulation and so it takes a long time on the Jaguar. Also note that for something interesting to appear, at least 300 particles need to appear. I've left the debug prints commented out, so if you want to see what's going on, all you need to do is remove ther REM commands. Also two subroutines have been commented as well. If you want check them out as well. Anyway, it's not supposed to be too interesting to a non-Mathematician/non-Physicist. If you know ways to improve the speed, well... Patches Welcome

1 NUM=360*RND(0)
2 PRINT "MADE WITH RAPTOR AND RBASIC."
3 PRINT "SIMULATION OF"
4 PRINT "DIFFUSION LIMITED AGGREGATION"
5 FOR I=1 TO 10000
6 NEXT I
7 CLS
8 CLEAR
10 COLOUR(20):PLOT(160,100)
15 COUNTER=0
20 DIM SCREEN(320,200)
25 SCREEN(160,100)=1
30 REM GOSUB 500
31 REM GOSUB 400
35 XI=0:YI=0
40 GOSUB 100
50 GOSUB 205
60 GOTO 60
90  REM PROCEDURE FEED
100  SETCUR(0,0):PRINT "PARTICLES: ";COUNTER
110  FI=360*NUM
112  COLOUR(10)
115  IF COUNTER<=20 THEN R=5
116  IF COUNTER>20 AND COUNTER<=100 THEN R=15
117  IF COUNTER>100 AND COUNTER<=300 THEN R=30
118  IF COUNTER>300 AND COUNTER<=1000 THEN R=35
119  IF COUNTER>1000 THEN R=55
120  XI=160+INT(R*COS(360*FI)):YI=100+INT(R*SIN(360*FI))
130  IF SCREEN(XI,YI)=1 THEN NUM=RND(0):GOTO 100:REM SETCUR(0,2):PRINT "LOOP"
140  IF SCREEN(XI-1,YI-1)=1 OR SCREEN(XI-1,YI)=1 OR SCREEN(XI-1,YI+1)=1 OR SCREEN(XI,YI-1)=1 OR SCREEN(XI,YI+1)=1 OR SCREEN(XI+1,YI-1)=1 OR SCREEN(XI+1,YI)=1 OR SCREEN(XI+1,YI+1)=1 THEN NUM=RND(0):GOTO 100:REM SETCUR(0,2):PRINT "LOOP"    
150 RETURN
200 REM PROCEDURE FRACTAL
205 HZ=0
210 DO 
220 NUM=RND(0)
221 IF NUM<=0.17 THEN N=-1
222 IF NUM>0.17 AND NUM<=0.33 THEN N=0
223 IF NUM>0.33 AND NUM<=0.5 THEN N=1
224 IF NUM>0.5 AND NUM<=0.67 THEN M=-1
225 IF NUM>0.67 AND NUM<=0.84 THEN M=0
226 IF NUM>0.84 AND NUM<=1 THEN M=1
230 IF ABS(XI-160)>2*R OR ABS(XI-160)>75 THEN N=5*N
240    XI=XI+N:REM PLOT(XI,YI)
245    IF XI<5 THEN GOSUB 100:REM SETCUR(0,2):PRINT "LEFTX";HZ
260    IF XI>315 THEN GOSUB 100:REM SETCUR(0,2):PRINT "LEFTX";HZ
270    REM IF SCREEN(XI,YI)=1 THEN GOSUB 100:REM SETCUR(0,2):PRINT "LEFTM"
280    IF SCREEN(XI-1,YI-1)=1 OR SCREEN(XI-1,YI)=1 OR SCREEN(XI-1,YI+1)=1 OR SCREEN(XI,YI-1)=1 OR SCREEN(XI,YI+1)=1 OR SCREEN(XI+1,YI-1)=1 OR SCREEN(XI+1,YI)=1 OR SCREEN(XI+1,YI+1)=1 THEN SCREEN(XI,YI)=1:COLOUR(R):PLOT(XI,YI):INC COUNTER:GOSUB 100
290 
300 IF ABS(YI-100)>2*R OR ABS(YI-100)>75 THEN M=5*M
320    YI=YI+M:REM PLOT(XI,YI)    
330    IF YI<5 THEN GOSUB 100:REM SETCUR(0,2):PRINT "LEFTY";HZ
340    IF YI>195 THEN GOSUB 100:REM SETCUR(0,2):PRINT "LEFTY";HZ
350    IF SCREEN(XI-1,YI-1)=1 OR SCREEN(XI-1,YI)=1 OR SCREEN(XI-1,YI+1)=1 OR SCREEN(XI,YI-1)=1 OR SCREEN(XI,YI+1)=1 OR SCREEN(XI+1,YI-1)=1 OR SCREEN(XI+1,YI)=1 OR SCREEN(XI+1,YI+1)=1 THEN SCREEN(XI,YI)=1:COLOUR(R):PLOT(XI,YI):INC COUNTER:GOSUB 100
360    INC HZ
370    LOOP UNTIL COUNTER=3600
380 RETURN
400 FOR i=0 TO 179 
410 x1=160+COS(90+i)*10
420 y1=100+SIN(90+i)*10
430 x2=160-COS(90+i)*10
440 y2=y1
450 FOR j=x1 TO x2
460  SCREEN(j,y1)=1
465 COLOUR(10):PLOT(j,y1)
470  NEXT j
480 NEXT i
490 RETURN
500 FOR I=1 TO 15
510 FOR J=1 TO 15
520 X=INT(300*RND(0))
530 Y=INT(190*RND(0))
540 SCREEN(X,Y)=1:PLOT(X,Y)
550 NEXT J
560 NEXT I
570 RETURN

DLA2.ABS

[New commands added: COLOUR and PLOT (not 100% applicable to rb+)]

When does it say that? I am afraid I can't help much though, I am running on Linux so I've customised the tools a bit and I use a bash script.

[New commands added: COLOUR and PLOT (not 100% applicable to rb+)]

If you run build.bat from the command prompt it won't close after the error messages. Then you can copy and paste the error message.

[After a few hours with RBASIC]

Don't expect anything too interesting..

 

EDIT: Also, download the other file... this one is.. terrible

DLA.ABS

[RAPTOR Basic - Calling all testers and programmers]

Subroutines and functions are supported already, so that's not an issue. EhBASIC is more of an oldschool type BASIC so we need to go back to our A8 days. Especially those of us spoiled by GFA BASIC.

[Resource files and globalization]

You need multiple resource files, one for French, English, German etc. I've seen some programs that can do what you want, but I don't remember which ones. I think it's possible to have the system load the proper rsc for the choosen language.

[ST demos with Cosmox Ex?]

Try pouet.net and demozoo.org . Most recent demos will work with HD. Older ones will probably not. Dbug have patched some demos for harddisk though

[My STE has a mod can anyone ID it?]

Unless I am terribly mistaken, this isn't a mod at all, but normal for an STE. At least I've seen it in multiple images of the STE motherboard.

[How do I change my STe from PAL to NTSC ?]

Only amiga makes it possible

[Need help finding out an old Atari ST game]

Wait! Wha? I feel like this topic just went in an entirely different direction. Did I miss a message? The first mention of the Amiga seems to be here.

BTW: By pointing out the advantages the Amiga has over Atari, aren't you partaking in Amiga vs Atari?

 

As far as this game, I noticed the guy posts an address where you can send him $10. Wouldn't it be funny for him to go to his mailbox one morning to see that payment. Should we adjust for inflation?

 

Well, since the game was in 1988 there's a good chance he doesn't live there anymore..

 

As per the Atari vs Amiga thingy... don't worry, only Amiga makes it possible!