Christos

And I really really like that language. Well done lonny indeed (oh and GBE is the perfect devel environment too).

The Atari ST doesn't output composite video without a modulator and that is why it won't work. It is however very easy to make such a cable if need to, only needs two solders . The hard part is finding the 13-pin din though some people as always, have some hacks for it.

Atari 1040ST None whatsoever... but he has a nice website. If it has a modulator you can use the A/V cable. If it doesn't, you can't. Chances are you have a 1040STF so you need an RGB capable TV which as far as I know are not really available on your side of the ocean. On the other issue, this guy has been banned from most if not all atari and amiga forums in the web. For good reason I might add... Glad to know you are not him

What kind of atari do you have? BTW, any relation with this guy? http://www.retrogeekcomputers.com/

Exclusive developers for the Atari ST and Commodore Amiga were hard to find in the U.S. (excluding anything Atari or Commodore may have done) as most publishers focused on the PC first and then the 16-bits or in some cases the 8-bits before the 16-bits. The exclusives mostly came from European publishers and a lot of them were just weird. Take a look at FireBird as an example (as an example of European software that is). Also some software like soccer games which some Amiga owners enjoyed will never convince anyone on this side of the ocean. Well, if you've never played football you can't appreciate it that's true. The endless hours of kick off 2... BTW, why do you call your version of Rugby, football, is beyond me. It's played mostly by hands as far as I can tell... I will have to argue though, I don't think that games should be the main focal point in a computer' s sales, as it was on the amiga and to a lesser extend to the ST. I think the perception of the two 16-bit machines as games machines that also ran some applications, was in part the doom of them both. I agree that children will opt for a machine due to the games. But children have a really limited purchasing power. Or at least they used to have... lol.

Actually strike that.. There is a port of heretic for standard falcon (usual 1-2 fps). Try http://pmdata.atari.org. Wolf 3d is actually very playable. About the sharing part, it was my pleasure doing it. In my mind I wanted to make people excited about the falcon, but not excited to own one, but to create for it and with it. If I only manage to make people buy it, my goal has failed. If I encourage people to use it, have fun, create and share with it, I have succeeded. I don't consider that owning a machine, any machine, and putting it on display as fun. It may be for some people, but that is not why they were made for. They were made as a tool to help us be creative. Let's do that, shall we? </manifesto >

You are wrong.. the amiga didn't emulate the ST. It just ran tos. That's a big difference..

Wow! What a show! I remember reading about this conversion being done way back when but I did not get any news that it was finished. Where in the public domain can we find this program? I remember reading that it was meant for a TT or Falcon though and that he was trying to get it to run on a ST. To hear that he found a way makes him a programming genius! Any word on Doom or Heretic being converted? I remember reading a bunch of news on those way back when as well. Thanks for sharing Christos! Which proves that noone reads the video description box Doom is running on the falcon.. at 1 or 2 fps's with sound. A bit more without... Take a look at running which is a pretty nice doom clone (and it's on video).. Heretic has been ported but only for the CT6x...

Note that this game is an ST game that also runs on falcon (a bit accelerated of course). There are quite a few falcon vids on youtube by much better video encoders than myself, but there were very few of games etc. So that's what I did mostly...

Oh it's real

My opinion on the issue is that actually those emulators did more harm then good on the atari computers. I always felt, that if I were to buy an atari to emulate a mac or a pc, why not buy a mac or a pc?

None of this changes the fact that SOTB ST is an extremely bad conversion of an extremely bad game. I won't say they could make it as an eye candy as on amiga (and no it pushes amiga too, not just the surface) but they could make it look and play decent. They didn't. I wonder if the release is an in-house joke by psygnosis that some how got away. If they had ISO, it would have been taken away from them.

SOTB ST.. an example on how NOT to code the ST.

It's much more compatible than the TT is if that's what you mean. Yes you could say it's true. After all it started it's life as a daughterboard on the STE. Originally it was thought of as a 68000 machine too.

As far as I know, the 16-bit falcon was never released.

Heh, didn't know there was a Pi day. I only know it up to 5 digits.. 3.14159. For all practical purposes that's a very good aproximation after all. So who knows what will happen if we calculate Pi a lot.. maybe we find a secret egg? Perhaps not... Either way, happy birthday!

You do seem to forget that the 68030 has a cache, which is 32-bit by default. Basically, it all comes down to what you do. Unzipping a file takes half the time it takes on the TT for example. The falcon's bus bandwidth is faster than that of the amiga 1200 (32-bit bus). As you already said, the slowest part of the system is the bottleneck. You say that to an electronics technician the falcon is 16-bit. That maybe true to you, but to others, that is not the case, they will consider the system 32-bit. By the way, the TT shifter and its bus are 64-bit. It all comes down to perspective.

Gunstar, same argument.. you put a 16-bit microprocessor on a 64-bit bus.. What is the system? Basically, the thing is not that simple. It's very complicated. For example, the falcon to a programmer is 32-bit.

No, not quite, I'd say about 2-3 times depending on application. There are applications where the Falcon's DSP makes it fly circles around the TT. There are some benchmark results around...

Actually, the falcon being 16-bit is semi correct and semi wrong. I.E. the microprocessor is 32-bit, the data bus is 16-bit. The bus from RAM to the videl is 32-bit etc. It's the same argument as with the 64-bitness of the jaguar in reverse.

Yeah, not much of an update. I've mostly spent my atari time taking care of my new hard disk and adding a few stuff on it. Take a look at my new desktop.. WIP

Also, games by Foundation Two tend to support the jagpad.

Yep, it can be found on D-Bug menu 132 (using the new search feature of their site )

All games released by Atari for the Falcon are jagpad only. Additionally Reservoir Gods games support the jagpad where applicable (Double Bobble 2000, Superfly come to mind), Radical Race, All Foundation Two games, Killing Impact (IIRC) and many more. For the STE, Zero 5, Substation and Dynabusters+ by TSCC that I know of. I am sure there are some more too.

Pressing control always bypasses the auto folder boot sequence