Philsan

Yes, you are right. I remember Jeff Minter using Atari in this recent video (6:50) but he says that C64 is the original version (but he prefers Atari camels). So I will remove this game from my list (it's not a big problem because I don't like it!).

What would we do without you? Thanks a lot!

I confirm that Attack of the Mutant Camels, European version, was first programmed on Atari.

My first games, I think I bought them in this order: Snokie (tape) Solo Flight (tape) NATO Commander (tape) Bruce Lee (tape) Conan (disk) Ghostbusters (disk)

Thanks for your informations. Here you can see my updated work: http://www.santellocco.com/atari/info.htm In the first group you can see games originally programmed for Atari. In the second group you can see games programmed at the same time for Atari and other platforms or ported to Atari later. Bertrand, yes Strip Poker apperead on Apple II before Atari.

I am building a website dedicated to our computers. Yet another one? No, it is in Italian and it seems that Atari 8-bit don't have one in Dante's language. http://www.santellocco.com/atari I need to know what are the most important games programmed firstly on Atari. I think these one are in the list: Star Raiders, 1979, Atari Fort Apocalypse, 1982, Synapse Soccer, 1982, Thorn EMI Video (excuse me, I am European) Archon, 1983, Electronic Arts Attack of the Mutant Camels, 1983, Llamasoft Beach-Head, 1983, Access Software M.U.L.E., 1983, Electronic Arts Pharaoh's Curse, 1983, Synapse Solo Flight, 1983, Microprose Spelunker, 1983, Brøderbund Ballblazer, 1984, Lucasfilm Games Boulder Dash, 1984, First Star Software Bruce Lee, 1984, Datasoft Dropzone, 1984, Mindscape Montezuma's Revenge, 1984, Parker Brothers Rescue on Fractalus, 1984 Seven Cities of Gold, 1984, Electronic Arts Alternate Reality, 1985, Datasoft Star Raiders II, Atari, 1986 What about these? BC Quest for Tires Decathlon The Eidolon Gladiator Gunfight The Goonies H.E.R.O. Kennedy Approach Koronis Rift NATO Commander Neptune's Daughter Pitstop Pitstop II Space Shuttle Strip Poker Zorro Other titles are welcome!

drac030, can you please attach or send me a non-arc version of your SysInfo 2.16?

Congratulations! Very nice competition. Nowadays programmers are able to do nothing in 1KB!

why ? c64 people never diss atari or speccy. I have read many posts of C64 people that claims Commodore machine's superiority. Perhaps it is true, but if you write this for example on a Spectrum's forum, only if an user says something against C64 in a thread not Spectrum vs C64 related, you are a troll. So, please stop, in particular in thread like mine not C64 related. This is a peaceful forum and if we want to keep peace we only have 2 possibilities: 1. AtariAge users write absolutely nothing against C64 2. You stop replying everytime you see something wrong (in this thread you have opened fire only for a little "god knows why"). I don't think the first one is a viable solution in an Atari forum!

Oswald, you cannot, every time someone writes something about C64, in this case only reply and turn normal Atari threads into flames. This is an Atari forum and it is normal that people sometimes write something against C64. In Spectrum's forums I have read many times that Sir Sinclair's computer is better then C64 but I don't go there writing the contrary. Many times I agree with you, I know you are a good programmer, but I have to say that your behaviour ruin threads. Normal threads, not threads Atari vs C64 where your opinion is useful.

Don't use Gameplan, they are way off (German publishing). Spectrum 5 million, never on your life I too think this is excessive! Does someone can help us to retrieve the correct number of Spectrums sold?

COMPLETELY EDITED! So, after have read other posts and Gameplan's Encyclopedia of Game Machine, here is my ranking, wordwide, 8-bit computers: 1. C64 (30 millions) 2. Apple II models (5 millions units sold according to Encyclopedia, a very long life also in the 16-bit era) 3. Spectrum models (5 millions according to Encyclopedia, strong in Europe, weak in USA) 4. Atari 400/800/XL/XE (2 millions in the USA + rest of the world, so not less then 2.5 millions, leader of the market 1979-1982, long life till 1991) 5. TI 99-4/A (2.5 millions according to Encyclopedia, a strong seller in the first period) 6. Amstrad CPC (2.5 millions according to Encyclopedia) 7. Vic-20 (2 millions according to Encyclopedia) 8. Tandy TRS-80 (1 million according to Encyclopedia) 9. Acorn BBC A/B(1 million according to Encyclopedia) I don't know where to put MSX standard computers (many manufacturers, strong in Japan, they arrived later on the market, but in this period the total number of computer sold in the world was higher then in the first years).

I collect original software and I use SIO2PC and SIO2SD.

If you read the first table http://www.jeremyreimer.com/total_share.html and you do the sums here is the result: Atari 1979-80-81-82 100+200+300+600= 1200 (x1000) TRS-80 1979-80-81-82 200+225+250+300= 975 (x1000) I don't think TRS-80 was more popular in Europe than Atari so I think that, if Jeremy Reimer's numbers are correct, Atari was the leader of the market of the period 1979-1982.

Have you tested a800win plus 3.1? I'd be curious to know... No, sorry. Why are you interested in version 3.1? Perhaps it is better in some respects?

Yes, it is his new game!

I agree!

I have a desktop PC with Vista and Atari800WinPlus 4.0 emulator works. Buy a good notebook because Vista is a very demanding OS...

Another seller of SIO2SD is AtariAge user Pigula (LINK); he knows English and I have bought mine from him. I too recommend SIO2PC from AtariAge user classics (http://www.atarimax.com/); I have USB version.

Thank you very much for sharing this link! So, IMHO, worldwide, 8-bit computers: 1. C64 2. Apple II (thanks to a very long life also in the 16-bit era) 3. Atari (leader of the market 1979-1982) 4. Spectrum (second in Europe after C64) 5. MSX (they arrived too late on the market, but in this period the total number of computer sold in the world was higher)

Ah, yes, I have forgotten Amiga models (for example the successful A500). And what if we narrow the range to 8 bits? Spectrums have done well in Europe but in the USA?

We know that the best-selling single personal computer model of all time is Commodore 64. What about Atari 8-bit family of computers? Are they in second place? Maybe third?

What is this game?

An APAC (80x96 pixels 256 colors non interlaced) animator would be useless?

Carmel, I envy your memory! Often you make post remembering Atari related things of the past! Ok, your informations aren't always correct, but anyway...