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Emulated game collections on existing systems are an ENTIRELY different subject and you know it. You'll also notice that the little Atari plug-and-plays eventually came to a screeching halt, correct? And we're talking about cheapo products, not a relaunch of a long-dead system. Those Atari sticks were just part of that wide range of cheap video toys that parents bought for young children. That fad is over now. And you also know damn well that if the FB2 was a success then we'd be playing the FB3 right now. Chess sets and Monopoly? WTF? Two board games that DON"T CHANGE over the years. Chess is chess. Atari is a dead system which has been replaced several times by better technology. Wake up and smell the coffee, people.

I don't remember the new names, it was selling for $10.95. The other games I recall being included are Tennis and Volleyball. But those two Sharp Shot "games" shouldn't even be counted.

What a halfassed comparison. Music can be downloaded and enjoyed immediately, consoles have to be ordered and physically shipped. In order to make the big money to support this kind of manufacturing run the system would need shelf space to reach the mainstream consumer. And there's already a website where people can buy authentic 2600s, it's called ebay. The FB2 was proof that a real system would never sell. If the FB2 was as successful as many of you like to pretend it was we would have seen a third edition. Are you people so deluded that you really believe there are millions out there who want to buy a 30 year old game system? What planet are you living on? Do any of you have a clue as to what marketing and sales is really about? Because so far there's no sign of it.

I'm always shocked when I hear about someone asking how a certain game plays. The first thing I did when getting into this scene was to download Z26 and a bucket full of ROMs until I played every game available.

I saw their new model earlier today. They were smart enough to include AD&D Cloudy Mountain and Tron Deadly Discs with new titles (proof that the blue sky guys could release their hoarded protos if they really wanted to). Also updated versions of Astrosmash and Space Armada. Still just a rip-off amount of ten games, and two of them are taken from that embarassing Sharp Shot cart.

More like "reality." You kids can blow sparkles up each other's ass if you want to, but you might want to get some perspective about things. It's like the 2600 is turning into some kind of fetish object these days. It was the most important console in history, the key word being HISTORY. It has no relevance in today's marketplace beyond collectors and hobbyists. It will never take shelf space away from those damn Jakks sticks, let alone take space away from a modern console.

It would be a marketplace disaster.

It's cool for a 2600 RPG, but sucks balls compared to other RPGs as a whole.

Why do any of us get into debates about 25-year old games? Because for better or worse we're into this sort of thing. What's up with the winking emoticon at the end of every post? Some of your comments come off with very strange connotations.

This thread has more lives than the damn Knight Rider incident. For the record: Phoenix was released for Xmas 1982, six months after Demon Attack. Demon Attack was made for MANY systems and PCs. And Demon Attack is still the better game. This debate still runs a distant second to the Battlezone-Robot Tank controversy. And aren't we due for another one of those arguments? I swear it's been almost eight days since the last one.

Why doesn't someone program a 2600 version of [RANDOM GAME SELECTED FROM KLOV] Don't you all think that would be cool? I thought so.

One of the Froggers needed a Supercharger add-on. I hope to hell we don't stir up some phony demand for more Supercharger ports that would take a lot of time and be near-worthless on the market. Of course a lot of new tricks were learned over the years. That's why Stargate is cooler than Defender. But mindless bitching about 2600 Donkey Kong doesn't change the history and it diminishes the accomplishments of the programmers, who didn't have the luxury of using all the memory and add-ons that they wanted. Face up to the fact: name any possible game and the same people will say they want it. There's no discrimination or good judgement being displayed whatsoever. Another fact to face up to: if you can't program yourself then your ideas have no more value than the crude screenshots I used to draw on my notebook during 6th grade study hall.

Nobody ever charged $60 for Pac-Man.

Let's try to remember that it's freaking Atari 2600, it's not a perfect arcade emulation device. The damn thing wasn't designed to do much more than a Pong console. When some of you people wonder why 2600 games aren't identical to the arcade it really makes me question your understanding of what the hell we're all talking about.

I think you left out one of the words in that sentence . . .

Berzerk wasn't all that early IIRC. Seems like it came out around the same time as Defender. Seems like the silver label era started around a year later...I could be wrong though... Berzerk was released in late August of 1982, Defender in June of 1982. The Silver Labels started after September, Star Raiders being the last color box release. There's still debate about which silver label was first, probably RS Baseball or SQ Earthworld.

2600 Galaga is perfect when I play it in my dreams.

Games were discounted to all sorts of prices after initial release. I paid 99 cents for 5200 Zenji in 1984. The only price to measure on is initial MSRP, the highest I know of being ET and the lowest being the Mythicon games at $9.99

2600 Zaxxon cost the same amount as every other Coleco-made cart in USA, there's no reason why it would be more expensive anywhere else. I'm sure you're actually looking at the CV Zaxxon price. Not all stores sold these games for the same price (just like today). So the only fair measurement is the MSRP, which held around $25-30 for new games until late 82 when it went up to around $35. ET had the highest MSRP in 2600 history when it was released at $39.99

Your lack of business sense disturbs me.

Well, if they're not making money off your buys that certainly won't encourage them any.

Why does anyone give a shit if any particular company has success in the game biz? As long as someone makes money, video games will continue to thrive. If everyone makes money, we all win. I hope all three consoles succeed despite my annoyances with all three companies.

Since I can't program games for the 2600, it would be idiotic for me to come up with half-baked ideas that will never be turned into reality, doncha think?

Top 10 Non-Surprizes of 2006: #1: Gameinformer is still a rancid example of corporate shilling paid-off fanboy suckiness that should be totally ignored by everyone

So tell me how many copies of Cloak & Dagger were sold. Somewhere around zero, I believe.