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  1. Posted

    On 9/13/2019 at 10:35 PM, DragonGrafx-16 said:

    Yep the Genesis has always had composite. I use a composite cable with my Model 1 just need to use a 1/8" to RCA cable in the headphone jack to get stereo sound. It distorts sometimes but is still better than RF.

    You mean a 3.5 mm.  Even though that's a pretty close approximation.

     

    The funny thing is a Genesis model ones had 3.5 mm ports yet they choose to use q sound in association with Capcom.  and q sound is the basis for most sound bars today.

     

    Ironically it was Super Nintendo who didn't have a native headphone port decided to make headphone based around which is the modern-day equivalent of a Turtle Beach or Tritton headset or converter box.

     

    Nintendo Wii U and switch use their own proprietary headphone surround system based on lpcm 5.1 and 7.1.

     

    Also, all the Nintendo  portables sound better with headphones then listening to it with communal speakers. Odd that the Game Boy Advance SP doesn't have a headphone port without buying an adapter.

     

    The Rare Xbox games have headphone sound mode built in, because it was part if the original.

  2. Posted

    As it turns out something happened with my internet that makes it so I can go back to my main TV and do twitching. (Too long to explain but trust me.) I don't have to use an alternate location in the house.  Now that I think about it I really don't need a second TV. I could just use the CRT that's already down there the 25 inch one.  Plus I'll save a lot of money on a lot of other stuff.  

     

    By the way thank you for helping me as much as you could and I was just trying to organize myself around a situation but luckily got back to it where he was before so thanks and be glad I still got a big CRT TV.

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  3. Posted

    The monitor has nothing to do with my disability.

     

    second of all, I was wondering if a VGA monitor has sharper images and or more accurate colors then a composite TV.

     

    by the way the reason why I use the word ping for TV delay is because a lot of people understand network ping and I'm just saying it's exact same thing except dealing with TVs.  the term is used to show it affects gameplay just like Network ping.

     

    I understand the zero lag way to do it is to directly hook up to the TV.  but it would still be acceptable if the delay was equivalent to that of a VCR  which just points your light gun a little more to the right.  But for all other games it's practically lag-free.

     

    Are currants composite S-Video and component to VGA adapters considered lag-free enough for the purposes of every game except light gun games?

     

    By the way, I don't know of any 10 to 15 inch TV that has S-Video or component so I thought I could get a better picture with a VGA monitor of that same size.

     

    By the way my handicap as more of a social handicap asperger syndrome let's just say it's hard for me to deal with bosses and that because I hate them because I don't I appreciate the fact of your job just said communication gets scrambled.  I am aware of humor and and I never said people use it the kind of round about giving answer.  In speech I could kind of hear it sometimes whether it's sarcastic or not but in text it's a lot harder to read. Unless someone uses a smiley. 

     

    Funny thing is I read something that had two different attitudes. When I read it seriously, I thought, "How horrible" but when I was told it was sarcastic, i read it a lot different.  Sometines, sarcasm is obvious  like Mad Magazine.  Other times you're not so sure.

     

     

     

  4. Posted

    How comr no one is giving me a strsight answer?  I know even a VCR adds enough delay to draw your bullet rightward. But other than that I notice no difference.

     

    If that's the stsndard for ping, unnoticable im anythingbexcept light gun ganes , can a modern 4ms or less monitor play standard TV video game contebt correctly without one blaming lag?

     

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  5. Posted

    20 hours ago, newtmonkey said:

     ...you would be no better off than if you just found a nice quality standard definition CRT TV with component (or even S-video) inputs.

    But would I be worse off?

     

    2 ways the VGA  adapter can mess it up. 

     

    1 is ping.If comparable to a VCR, i can live with it.

     

    2 is dealing with interlaced media.  Would deinterlacing with an external adapter cause ping worse than a VCR ( a VCRs ping being only noticable in light gun games only, not with more games)?

  7. Posted · Edited by tripletopper
    Forgot yo address VCR plua editing

    2 hours ago, Flojomojo said:

    1. Here's an ebay search for Trinitron within 50 miles of Cleveland Ohio, that will take local pickup. No one manufactures or sells bulky monitors anymore because it's 2019. You're welcome. 

    2. The reason light guns work on CRTs has nothing to do with "ping time" (which is a measurement of network speed), but rather the way the image is drawn on this type of screen. Look it up.

    3. I'm tempted to offer throw in some money to help you with #1 if you stop posting threads like this. 

    I said nothing about NETWORK ping.  There are ither kinds of Ping.   Mist of today's monitors measure grey to grry time.

     

    Ping suggests 2 way, or round trip.  Comsole to tv to light gun to console.  That's a round trip.

     

    Crts have less than one microsecond ping.

     

    CRTs work because dots are individually displayed.  There id no frame buffer that displays the whole frame at once.  The gun is actully a single light sensor that works with a sub microsecond clock within the CPU.  Light guns sense the light.  Then the CPU  computes the "where"  based on the "when".  The reason no modern tv works is because the white light is constant and the layer after is a "pigment" or light blocking layer.

     

    Whereasthe CRT works by drawing dots so fast that i appears all at one time. And it can pick up the timing on a single dot.

     

    The reason later gamrs have calibration is to accommodate for VCRs.  VCR adds less than a millisecond, but more than a microsecond, to the loop anf thst throws off the game.  But every other game works fine because the ping in this ring, console to tv to your eyes to your hands to thr consol, that is insignificant ping compared to going from eye to hand.  Human reaction time is .1 seconds if it's a predictable rven, but timing is unknown a (like looking at the big bucks and a spin square, and pressing the stop button when THAT square is lit.  Ping time is quicker when following a pattern like Michael Larson did on his playthrough, and a lot slower in an uncontrolled situation where anything can happen

    and you witness something not factored in your thoughts.

  8. Posted · Edited by tripletopper

    AtsriAge username Nurmix made external INTV DB9 ports to add external joysticks to an INTV 1.  It comes in 2 flavors by default and potentially 6 in custom order.

     

    From any one of these controllers: INTV 1, INTV2 INTV FB. to machines using any other one of  those.  The ones Nurmix offered initially were FB control to INTV 1 machine and INTV 2 controller to INTV 1 machine.

     

    Any similar adapters and simple operation proceedures for Odyssey 2 and Arcadia 2001?  It would be cool for my fight stick.

     

    By the way, a native Odyssey 2 joysticks "looks" analog, yet is self centering.  Do looks deceive?  If it's batively analog dont you need a circuit similar to the one in a 5200 Competition Pro.

  9. Posted

    9 hours ago, newtmonkey said:

     ...you would be no better off than if you just found a nice quality standard definition CRT TV with component (or even S-video) inputs.

    But would I be worse off?

     

    2 ways the VGA  adapter can mess it up. 

     

    1 is ping.If comparable to a VCR, i can live with it.

     

    2 is dealing with interlaced media.  Would deinterlacing with an external adapter cause ping worse than a VCR (only noticable in light gun games only, or with more games)?

  10. Posted

    The size requirement is soecific.  10-15 inches diagonal.

     

    I have a 3 CRTS, A Daewoo 19 inch with S-Video and component. A 20 inch Sony Wega with component, bur no S-Video. Sbd a 24 inch Sony Wega with both S-video and component.

     

    I never seen a 15 inch TV with S-Video or Component.    Would a monitor with a 240p and/or 480i mode be able to accept a Composite / S-Video / Component to VGA adapter and send it in 240p/480p mode ( since there is no 480i mode).

     

    I understand for gun games to work, you need zero processing.  Processing adds ping. A VCR adds enough ping time to throw a gun's aim off to the right.

     

    If I want to play a gun game, I can go downstairs to a sub microsecond ping.TV.

     

    My main question is, "is the Ping on VGA adapters similar to a VCRs ping.  Enough to throw off a light gun, ( and possibly Sega Scope 3d) but not enough to effect anything else."

     

    If so, I can use a VGA monitor as a non-gun monitor for most games.

  11. Posted

    By the way every one of my local county Goodwill's no longer take CRTs.  I searched throughout the entire Northeast Ohio area question on Google where can I buy CRT TVs near Cleveland Ohio,. And the only place that shows up is eBay.

     

    By the way does CRT monitors have everything better than a traditional TV meaning more colors more pixels yada yada except for one thing the ping time quick enough for light guns but good enough for most other games like under a hundred microseconds?

  12. Posted

    First of all the colors come from the in-between colors on the CRT.  I heard to accurately do the CRT effect right on a high definition TV you need 90 bit color.

     

    Bicolor I mean any shade from black to red to blue to green to cyan to magenta to yellow to White.  I understand s video has a luma bandwidth the same as the whole composite and a separate chroma bandwith so it is more colors than just composite.  Component has even more.

     

    And you're saying any games I get with a VGA monitor I'm going to lose in adding significant ping time.  I might do the monitor if the ping time is under a millisecond kind of like how we see our ads tens of microseconds to the ping.

     

    the VCR adds enough ping where you have to calibrate games on SNES and Genesis and more advanced  but not enough to make the game totally not read your shots.  Your aim just shifts to the right I believe.

     

    if that's the most delay I can get that I'll take that as my everyday TV where most games work right and go downstairs on a real CRT direct connection for those light gun games and possibly Sega Scope 3d games.

     

    By the way,is the Sega Scope thrown off by putting it in a VCR? I know synching between the left eye and right eye is important and a VCR'S delay is enough to throw a light gun off a few pixels to the right maybe about a quarter screen's width on the same line at the most.

     

    And how would an exclusively progressive TV deal with interlaced content?  And what games have what modes?  And I don't expect a title light title reference but possible modes like I know Nintendo has both a 240p x 60 hz mode and a 480i * 30 hz  mode.  Is Sega still considered 240p x 30 Hz x Two eyes, in an alternate frames format, or is it 480i x 15 Hz x two eyes.

     

    I assume a VGA monitor in a close to TV mode can display the component modes level of colors and clarity.  But the question is do component to VGA adapters add insignificant paying for everything except like them games and possibly Sega scope games?  Also same question for the composite / S-Video to VGA.  Finally wondering if there's an ntsc RF to VGA adapter available directly without using a computer?  Or is the VCR still the best way to deal with it?

  13. Posted · Edited by tripletopper

    Hello now I'm trying talk typing

     

    Should I assume that any attempt to find a better CRT then a standard 10 to 15 in broadcast CRT,  like a VGA monitor will eventually fail because you have to convert composite S-Video and component to VGA and that's a big enough delay where that is very important?

     

    I'm just trying to figure out if the conversion delay from going between composite, s-video, or component is big enough to throw off a video game's gameplay?  In other words can I play Bit Trip Runner and actually play to the music and not lead the music?

     

    Playing a light gun game through a VCR throws off your aim but still all the other games are considered playable instead of being less than a microsecond might be tens of microseconds. Do VGA converters throw it off only for light gun games or do they throw it off for any game like a modern LCD screen?  And don't like gun games with calibration actually test for VCR level ping time, and compensate for it?

     

    Well I do have a small CRT TV.  I just wanted to see if I could use the iMac monitor and not have any delays.  the iMac monitor would be better because it's bigger and they can accept composite, S-Video, and component inputs  but then again, what good is it if it alters my gameplay?

     

    Finally as far as I could tell there are no such things as 15 inch TVs or smaller that accept imports that are higher color resolution than composite video. and I assume the main difference between composite S-Video and component is more possible colors as you go up the scale.

  14. Posted

    I did not say i BET real money.  I take money raised in the request jukelebox and pay up to 60,% to random players.  So I won't LOSE  lose. If you play, neither of use will lose.

     

    Gat fingers explain bad typing.  Android.  But talk typing is not that much better.

     

    Meanehile I'll look up other VGA+ Standards.  Since they are all progressive. Does tgat mean we'll have component level quality at 240p x 60 Hz.

     

    What happens if a gane ir movie is Interlaced.  Do the VGA converters converters deinterlace display the medis uinterlacecd?

     

    I assume you need a circuit to deinterlace , so no pasive devices.

     

    Up to Dreamcast I assume all machines are either 480i x30 Hz ot 240p x60 Hz.  Anything higher is consideted ED or HD?  And a basic VGA monitor can all SD display TV standards easily, with some deinterlacing?

     

    SCART uses RGB.  US PS2s, Xboxes, GameCubes and newer  use YPbPr.  What is VGA+'S default mode. RGB or YPbPr, and us it easy to convert?

  15. Posted

    Well i did whst I said i'd look on ebsy for 10-15 inch VGA CRTs.

     

    They have then.  I could save on shippling wuth retro computer store ifvyhetrb8s a local store.

     

    The only thing is see many composite and S-video adapters and component adapters, and i see RGB mixed with YPbPr.  I've seen both active and adapters advertused going in dufferent durectiions.

     

    If I want to play real consoles on a VGA monitor, which do i use, the active or passive ones?

     

    Is VGA enough for YPbPr 480i like PS3 and Xbox Prime?

     

    Is there low enough ping to plsy Street Fighter, Bit Trip Runner and Press Your Luck and get Larson-like scores?

     

    I don't need light gun quickness, even though it would be nice, but everything short of SegaScope snd lught gun ping tims is okay with this monitor.

     

    It sounds like using a CRT iMac as a monitor defeats the purpose of a CRT, with the purpose being a <1 microsecond ping display.  Waiting 2 minutes for the monitor to go into monitor mode seems too much.

  16. Posted

    11 hours ago, DragonGrafx-16 said:

    I don't think this guy understands anything about computers. The iMac is an all-in-one computer... those tend to have the screen directly wired to the GPU or the screen is directly connected to the motherboard. I mean just using a CRT VGA monitor would make more sense in this situation than turning an all-in-one computer into a TV. I'm sure if he'd just check all of the thrift stores other than Goodwill in his area he'd find a decent small CRT TV or monitor. I've seen plenty of of them at Salvation Army for example. I passed up an a Trinitron a few years back because I had nowhere to put it.

    I have never had. CRT VGA monitor.  And I don't know if there are ways to hook up to hook up NTSC RF ( though a VCR with an analog tuners works just as well) composite. S-Video, Component. and possibly SCART and HDMI.

     

    Are there direct connections for VGA monitors?.  Also certain letters appear in front of the letters VGA: SVGA, XVGA, etc...  What's the difference so I can judge what's enough and what's worth it.

     

    Wnd i assune CRTs the size I'm looking at might be ss heavy as a Laser Disc player. Therefote shippable.  Checking ebsy now.

  17. Posted

    Well if i could THINK of somethong, there MIGHT be a possibility OTHERS could have too.

     

    Well there no other CRTTV that are combined that small and good that can fit on my desk.

     

    Is there a video capture catd with zero lag that just goes through to the  display?

     

    It does not have to be SO low ping, that a light gun game would work. Though it would be nice if it did.  I got a larger CRT for that.

     

    I wss going to hook up a 2012 or newer Mac Mini to it. Which CAN run OS 10.15 , The current OS.  And I understsnd my monitor has an older macOS.  But if it'd just s monitor, yhat vould be okay.   So it might have to boot before it comes on.  So I would need a capture card my old Mac understands.

     

    I would not need the CRT iMac for anything BUT the monitor.  I just thought don't waste a perfectly good CRT if I don't have to.

     

    By the way, where would one buy a < 24 inches diagonal CRT monitor that  can do HDMI, composite, Component, S-Video, and NTSC RF?  If no such beast. I'll be willing to strip NTSC RF becausr a VCR can tunr in NTSC abd cobert to Composite  and HFMI is next to go, becaude my second monitor cam do THAT too.

     

    Just looking to see if what i got now can be used.

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  18. Posted

    1.  EPA regulations require Goodwill no longer accept TVs of any kind.  One time when a goodwill was trying to rid itself of 22+inch CRT they advertised it as "the only way to play Duck Hint Nd other light gun games.

     

    2.  What's a better didplay, a CRT with just composite in and a worthless antenna, ( Sctstch that, only way to play pre-NES ganes decently without modding a machine). Or a monitor which has many color equivalents snd can possibly do Conponent level colors snd RGB via Scart?

     

    3.  I know the macintosh has the ability to run alternate OSes. Maybe there is a " just a monitor OS". And I heard Mac even then had better resolution than TVs at the time.  Component quality colors, progressive ( interlace too or no) HDMI quality resolution.  Where am I going to find a TV that clear anf small and not pay an arm and a leg to ship to me?

  21. Posted

    Kind of reminds me of a joke I inadvvertantly created for myself, in second grade I thought programming was as simple as...

     

    10 Ms Pacman

    20  4 Mazes

     

    Embarrassing? Or typical second grade logic in 1981?

     

    Funny thing is with object-oriented programming and pre-defined game engines, that's closer than halfway to the truth today compared to real 80s programming. :)

  25. Posted

    Based on playing the Whammy flash game, I easily got Michael Larson-like scores but only in the top 100 all time, ( out of millions, that's good) despite the fact that Whamny, both for the money on TV and on the play-along and stand-alobe flash game randomize the order of the flashes and squares.  So it's impossible to use Larson's real strategy of memorizing the board.

     

    Many yeats later, i tried it on a retro game website, and i got typical winnibg scorescany other day.  The compuyer change.  The Mac was flat.  The olf mac was a bubble.  Sio I dug up my CRT iMac   got 50kbfirst time with bo practice.  CRT is the key.

     

    So i got a small gaming CRT TV. Cool.  But i got 2 questions.

     

    Is there a way to bypass the inyernal iMac use it as a monitor for fboth a newer Mac Mini as well as for Composite, S-Video and component TV videogames?  I want low enough processing delay to play any console gsne (I don't expect light gun games and maybe Sega Scope 3d ganes, but I'll take them if they're there).

     

    If the Hauppauge is low enough ping for everything except light gun games, and my system is upgradeable rnough, i got ehat I need.  Otherwise, any good external capture cards?

     

     

     

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