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Thats what i have been doing for christmas break.
I also work 2 hours a day I wish I worked more but thats all they have now..
at least Im working!..
I also got my stereo hooked to my vcr using the video in and out I never got it working before but I tired using the LD input for video instead of vcr video in and viola video out works now so I use laser disc in for vcr in instead of vcr video in and the video actually switches between flashback ATARI video and sattalite video to vcr in to tv its cool.
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Thats what i have been doing for christmas break.
I also work 2 hours a day I wish I worked more but thats all they have now..
at least Im working!..
I also got my stereo hooked to my vcr using the video in and out I never got it working before but I tired using the LD input for video instead of vcr video in and viola video out works now so I use laser disc in for vcr in instead of vcr video in and the video actually switches between flashback ATARI video and sattalite video to vcr in to tv its cool.
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Whoa!! So, did you also get a bottle or two for Christmas???
no i was just ranting a lot and got exited about mrchtree.txt from my old post and remembered it still loads.. txt again since its cool..
I know i rant and have crappy punctiuation and never use a . sorry anyway if you play atari basic enjoy the .atrs. anyway .
and HAPPY NEW YEAR..
its been 30 years since i programed Atari800 basic now..on a real atari .. OK i did it two years ago.. but want to get back into making simple atari800 games or try my hand at BATRIBASIC..
here is a couple of pics of 2600 basic and ATARI800 basic in emulation whell as usuall i can not find the compact flash to usb dongle so i cant post pictures
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wait here it is..
pic 1
atari flashback II w 2600 basic in it running pong® atari w sound you can only move one direction and if you get lucky you HIT missile and it makes noise..
pic 2
picture of password protected autorun.sys ataribasic game disk asking for s a as password.
more of the program it self listed.
pic 3
pictures of paddle(0) disk w password on it loaded after password entered as dir.bas running.
pic 4 push start to load menu
pic 5 actually before pic 4! password accepted..
pic 3 is menu loaded ..
and finnaly some pics of FLASHBACK II inside the good old 2600 case
and pictures of crockrocks cart I made reusing a old cart i got off internet erased and reprogramed 2764 and loaded my asteroids® like game..
it plays just like asteroids ..
I have it listed elese ware here but is to hard to look up now if i find it ill post it or you can just ask and ill send U A PM OF FILE IF YOU WANT it its just asteroids w difernt shaped rocks I used hackomatic III to make..
I got a new hard drive for holidays so im celebrating by using my new computer and new load of xp pro and my new keyboard is cool to I got those too the best thing i got for christmas this year is the dongle for the compact flash to usb thingie now i can retreive my pictures..
oh pS here is a picture of moon last night it was HUGE.. ok the picutes of the moon suck it looked cooler than the camera could capture.
Finnaly a shot of my Atari800 one of them..
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Jakks Pacific Retro Arcade Pac Man with 12 games including Super Pac Man, Pac Man Plus and Pac & Pal. Yesss...
cool I always wanted pacman and chomp chomp since i use chomp ans my alies on ebay chompaw I always liked pacman pac-n-pal it was cool better than super pacman..
I have a mini one it has galaixan pac-man lame version digdug and rallyx fast mode.. and some other game iforgot. its small and runs on aaa batteries but i chomped a power pack from a router so now it plug plays into any extention brown cord and a TV or vcr.
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I got Battery powered christmas lights I love christmas lights also I got a package of flashlights 4 aaa ones w 6 leds each white then two head band ones for SOLDERING or biking!
and I also got A new jacket its a UNDERARMOR FUZZY zip up jacket It even almost works for cold winter minnesota winter ALMOST its kind of chilly I would need to bring old winter coat to car if snow storm but once inside its warm and fuzzy it looks great too .alos i have the good old christmas .atr files rename from .txt to .atr files I found using google a couple of days to late but enjoy.
http://www.google.co...Bfhp_bT9QoJ3yoA
also if you find the pasword autorun.sys menu just break out of program using control #3 or break then load dos dup from other .atr then replace w password basic disk then run dir.bas and push 0 to see dir on passworded disk
the password for the full password protected basic disk is small letter
s a -=*+{push ATARI SYMBOL} +=-*/ then push start if you get it right i spent a month programing atasscii codes to see witch ones corresponed to -=*+ and sa and / buttons and trap statements and disabling break key..
I wanted to make a disk only i could get into then relized no one cared but if you are interested in making a game for atari basic and dont want anyone pushing break then this autorun.sys file is for you you can always rewrite the file to youre liking I thought it would work good for a adventure type game using input from keyboard so some kid couldnt break out and cheat or chrash program as easylyi anyway it worked good then i decided to fix it once i got atari800.exe to SAVE AND WRITE FILES using the ape connector!! atarimax cable I was so happy i could write to a .atr file(s) using atari800.exe emulation I decided to shorten then password. to
just s a and start button I also was dabbling in programing the start button and using the OPEN command to use disk files in Atari® basic it was fun BUt 20 30 years later i alsmost forgot every thing i learned in atari basic so my NEW YEARS RESOLOUTION IS TO relearn Atari 800 basic..
here are some more .txt files just rename them to .atr to run in atari800 emulation or on REAL atari. they are all public domain files and are ok to redristribue.. just if they have stubs leave them in please thanks.
1st file is going to be password disk the autorun.sys file loads menu.bas then i renamed menu.bas to dir.bas witch menu.bas loads if you get password right..
on this disk i shortened password from -=*+{atari symbol button inverse}+=-*/ then the start button can be
pushed.. to this password simply using no caps put s a then push return then push start then dir.bas loads!..
a way around my password disks are as follows its simple just load a nother disk w menu.bas and dup dos on it.
then load menu.bas run it then push 0 after you swap out disk to password disk and viola it shows menu..
1 st disk is:
rename to mrchtree.atr
2nd disk is going to be:basic1.txt
rename to basic1.atr
then you can run them if you leave as .txt it wont work.
password should be just s a
but you have to have caps off ..
basic(paddle(0)).atr
rename to
basic(paddle(0)).txt
the password is sa
I just tested it.
have fun
whell since the link for atari800.exe does not work ill post it here you also have to rename to .exe from .txt
atari800.exe rename to atari800.txt
YOU have to get the roms youre self..
google search ATARIOSB.ROM
and ATARIBAS.ROM
on google to find the roms..
ok the atari81.txt rename to atari8000.exe.
oh PS i also got A ps1 and Ricky C game for ps1 I have wanted for a long time my freind borrowed and finnaly gave my game back the ps1 I used channaku guelt to get the christmas stuff was at brothers house his wife still celebrates christmas so we have reason to eat HAM... we are reform not orthodox so its ok.
**************************I almost forgot I got a unisonic pong off ebay recently it works and is cool the gun game works too..
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I now have atari joystick plug play one play paddle plug play witch i got hooked to real atari paddles and found 2 player jumper and got it to work w 2 players even though lists one player in menus two still works w warlords and pong games and atari circus its cool..
I also have a mini pacman joystick namco and a mspacman one my broghter gave me but battery pack hole is coroded havent hooked up yet I also got the flashback II inside a old 2600 case using existing motherboard witch had two bad chips so i reused cart slot connections and b.w switch and ch3 switch for color/bw switch! got power AFTER CAPACITOR 5v regularo dioed and works great PITFALL II looks scrambled but i got two screens in and gave up otherwise the flashback project is now complete I also have 3 homebrew/homemade carts now ..
one is my CROCKROCKS remake of ASTEROIDS® Atari® corp. 1981 in witch i made rocks look like ®'s and (aw)'s I reused a cart i got snoopy on and made my own lable and used a 2764 witch I erased the snoopy file and reprogrammed the HACKOMATIC III file a1.bin onto the cart 2764 it works great and always boots when flipping from built in flashback II to cart mode!! WHELL ALMOST EVERY TIME... one of my fav things to do it load flashback II up in flashback mode memmory mode then start
Missile command from flashback then swap to asteroids on REAL cart mode and back to flashback mode its cool then go to missile command flashback mode then remove asteroids insert missile command and swap between them its weird nothing happens I guess the a10 lines on both cart and built in memory match line for line in code so 2600 sees no difference so nothing happens.. but if you start original adventure then swap to REAL missile command cart some weird things happen to missile command one time i got soncstant points and free citys every time even though every thing anilated then a nother time it was scary cool weird the smart bombs came from bottom up and got loud then just killed them selfs off points racking up ..
a nother thing i like to do is change from b/w to color in flashback II advanture II cause in caves w no light in b/w mode you can see where youre going mabie a old original atari kid mode thing.
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I like ay-3-85xx systems and have a 1024 page book with schematics for electronics and it has a section on ay-3-8500 chips in it including a gun circut so I like any games that use that chipset I also found a couple of places that still have that chip as nos anyway I think its worth $50 cause where are you going to find a nother one.. the section is called tv games .
no the 1024 page book is $50
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Here is a ansi terminal and the software for using 850 as serial device there is modem disk too all works for modem stuff.OH before I forget
rename file from .txt back to .atr this site dont like atr files..
Most of these files are P domain but if there not Then this is my archival copy place just delete them if there not p domain I would guess
they are since the system is not being manafactured althogh the (c )'s probably still hold ..
I am simply posting my old Atari REAL disks for you to enjoy here and some important ones aa archivel.
This is for INFORMATIONAL AND EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES AND not Intended to circumvent someones © theyuser in EMULATION EDUCATONAL format on this
site for Educational Purposes Only.. The original ©'s from original Owners Still may apply FOR instantce Atari® is a (tm ) of Atari® Corp.
anyway you get the idea this is for Educational purposes ..
or more years ago I got a lot of disks for the Atari and finnaly got them to from floppy to disk here are some images of them for you to try out.
rename the .txt file to .atr I figure since Atari disks are so small this post wont take to muth space most files are under 100K!..
ansiterm.atr.txt just rename to ansiterm.atr and run in emulation or convert back to atari disk for that you probably need the non shareware version of APE®.
anyway I found a nother dir on laptop and finnaly got windows reloaded in clean partition w new year of avast! nomore ask.com toolbar!!..
here is some more .atr files..in .txt format you have to convert back to .atr youre self I know you can figure that out..
I may have uploaded a © file just USE IT FOR EDUCATIONAL AND ARCHAIVAL PURPOSES ONLY..
NOT FOR PROFIT OR RESALE...
THESE ARE from the obsolete Atari Computer systems made by WARNER BRO in the 80's may run on 800xl or xl machines too but beeps will come from tv ..
if you find a basic game w dog and fire hydrant let me know I think the dog we had actually peed on disk and im looking for basic file of pm missile demo it migt be on any of these disks help me find it.. I hope it was not lost as I got score and graphics on screen at same time using gr.5+2 or something lke that i forget but if you find a basic game like that let me know..
Also some of the MENU files I reporgrammed from the eugene origion atari group to my dir but its just the same file renamed..
also the password for the password protected disk is enter then push s the then push start to load menu.bas witch is renamed to dir.bas
I already did it on that disk I was making a disk and traps in basic but you can still push control 3 and break control c in windows for a atari break the long password is
small s small a -=*+ atari symbol inverse button then alt tab back into emulator unless on real atari then +=-* so its sa -=*+atarisymbol+=-* / just load the short s password funpak disc image instead also the ansi terminal worked w the 850 and a 9600 bps modem at 9600 bps I used to connect vt100 and connect to bbses it was cool..
the mppexpress disk works w the tiwan joystick port modem and the MPP EXPRESS cart if you have both then you need this disk!!..
bobterm has vt100 emulation and some rtty stuff now i have a reason to get my shortwave ticket ham upgrade!!
CANYON CLIMBER WAS A DISK I bought from WIZARDS WORK A ACTUAL ATARI STORE in NEW HOPE MN I wanted the game on disk not tape cause my tape player was getting old and the 4 belts and 2 idlers in the tape recorder were going out SHE SAID i have it on disk I said ok you can keep the tape if you get it on disk for me I dont collect atari tapes so I got it home and my dad was using fix dump and noticed there was 4 more games on the disk and changed the d to a _ and the file was not deleted now the disk has more games on it ALSO frogger disk has music as the tape one does not?/ weird...also the canyon disk loads slower cause it was formated on a slow drive before my dad upgraded the cpm to atari sio emulation box witch has 2 disc drives and loaded cpm then a emulation to use box as atari disk drive it was cool.
I am working on a way to use mp3 player and ake tape to fake atari tape this doesnt help loading from real tape..!!anyway enjoy
if atari or emulation fails on basic games crap just load a nother basic game run menu then push 0 in basic menu to reload menu after inserting new image and viola since dos and dup are bad on some atari disks you can load menu and dos then swap disks after basic loaded menu this works on real atari too but its instant on emulation and you can have d2 on emulation and d2 as mirror on atari and have images live on real atari tis cool..
there are some weird verison s like cintipede w out fleas and you can put joystick under atari and hold fire and spider wont kill you some are internal atari prototype versions of games like slow packman untill 20 screens of keys then ghosts go FAST also there is a version of Missile command cart differnt versions you can push S on cart to load only
SMART BOMBS I got to level brown 1 mill or more points and in dig dug you can get it stuck. if a ghost is comming from middle of screen you can get it stuck before it pops out of sub subspace it locks up game..
dkong is to spec as you can get on rivit board from right side you can get rivit w out going left across all the way you can switch back from left to right w out crossing gap and chomp a rivit also on top you can jump then push left or right before comming down next to DKONG ape and get points also you can on elevator board jump
across the short way and its play like real version. there are more easter eggs But I cant rememebr them i will try to remember more I know if you have a cart in 800 or 400 you can flip on and off on pacman and get chunks on screen witch give points like keys ..
on moon patrol if you push left up and fire at same time when pushing 1 for start it goes into demo mode or mabie its up and right fireing pusing 0 or some thing anywya there is a demo mode..
oh on galaxian start on level B but 100 levels later after flags flash then stop flashing rainbow colored then enymies who werent fireing at you will now all mad ...
fire at you with vengance ..
on miner 2049er somwhere you can push the phone number in the demo in to game and get level select .
Remember these are for EDUCATIONAL And Informational Purposes ONLY not for RESALE or PROFIT only for educational Purposes for Rating level of fun and BASIC utilitys..
if want you can delete file if needed.
or just leave as txt file as list...
super unarc.com is a atari com file not a ms com file... as is frogger.exe is a autoload atari file not cassete and has music.
Frogger has a cheat in that when it makes you wait between session screens for music you can turn music on and back off again and it lets you not have to wait.
Copy of mario_pacman_with_intermissions_popeye_RAINBOWALKER.atr.txt
invader_hockey_outlaw_easternfront.atr.txt
Boulder Dash Construction Kit _ Epyx.atx.txt
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Thank you for the entry, awace. I wish you happy Merry Christmas.
The Holidays are comming up again and I decided to post some more .atr files I got every disc on disk now!!
Il post in the reply reply to this.
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I have only seen B/W units. I didn't think there were any colour systems out in the wild.
Official Atari home pong was always color. The ubiquitous pong consoles from other vendors were mostly B&W.
The Pong that I have is from Tele-Games.
Hook youre pong to youre tv on ch3 and see if you see color the color was not actual color just a color busrt rainbow color pattern witch is not actually color just a rainbow pattern on top of the graphics using the color burst crystal I dont know why they bothered but I guess they figured at least its color even though the game was one color..
anyway the system he has is somewhat rare cause the chip is CERAMIC its not old eeprom window but the pins look GOLD witch are expensive but its worth more as a pong look on ebay and check store w ceramic pins pong completed items and ask that guy h will tell you how mutch its worth.
personally to me the BATTERY holder does not make a difference weather its beed replaced since MINE CAME FROM goodwill w corsion on b holder so i replaced the battery holder and the power pack plug witch was coroded too making no power I fixed it replaceing both parts and now it works It has battery cover but grey chip so its normal the ceramic chips are rareer because they are rare in the 70's thas all there was but now the chips mostly are plastic..
if the chip has a sticker over the erease window its SUPER SUPER RARE and probably a prototype that one looks early but defenantly subed out cause the window looks permanant..
it still is RARE er than most PONGS I would keep it.
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If youre seriuos about converting VGA to Composite OR svideo! http://www.amazon.co...p;condition=new is what you want I would look on ebay I see them
once every once and a while.. this device allows you to even use dos it takes 5 seconds to switch modes but once it does it works great there is only a slight delay
sometimes the picture does this
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but it goes away its so slight you wont notice it once it rolls down the screen otherwise it looks great and can render 2048x1536 on the tv although you wont read more than 1152x864 and mostly 800x600 is better ALSO if you want 1200x800 then it will work w this device just select sony KLW7000 for youre monitor choice and select display modes youre monitor cant display! then force to this monitor choice and what ever choice windows in laptop will produce on its screen native it will show on TV in composite..
I use it on my regular tv mostly its in same mode as computer cause it picks mode from what ever mode youre video card is using you can not adjust mode on device..
I always use 1400x1050 or 1920x1050 I can goto 1920x1080 but my LCD monitor geeks in 1080 and 1050 looks just as good it looks like laptop mode so i assume its the native mode and i have selected 1024x1050 but had to use NVIDIA panel to select custom mode! anyway what ever mode you put to VGA plug this device follows..
if i goto c-mos after 5 seconds it switches and I can actualy go into the c-mos using that device on my tv its the best device I ever had It requires 5v and you can use ps2 keyboard connector or usb connector or you can just use a 5v power pack It makes the computer monitor plugged into its piggy back a little blury when plugged in but if youre watching the tv you wont care its great for UT or mame I even had a laptop and one in my arcade cabinet but decided to make the space invaders sit down cabinet back to original and did so removed the tv and the Zenith box rf mod I had hooked to a tv on ch3 witch worked great I just plug tvview into my vcr now! it is by far the best non hd vga to tv device avalible yet.. if also you can zoom in one spot on computer screen on the TV pushing ZOOM I use it to defeat letterbox I watch movie in small window over by the clock then i adjust window to over scan the letterbox below the clock and then the zoom box only sees the full screen witch is behind the box zoom window therby defeting the letterbox DVD im watching on the computer on the tv the zoom box only sees the full screen part of the DVD cause the letterbox window is bigger than the zoom window also when playing ut i choose some 1280 mode and watch on the tv and its great.. I hope you figure out what youre doing and have a soultion..
if failt you can just get a 22 inch lcd computer monitor like I did . someone gave me one he said it didnt work w hdmi and I said HMM I dont have hdmi ill take it I got it home and it worked great w vga! now its exactly as big as my 20 inch TV now i need a dual head pci card to make tV screen 1 and lcd screen2 GOOD LUCK AND WISH YOU figure out youre configuration. ALSO IF YOU NEED mame32 067.b skip game info skip discalimer I might bealble to find it for you ..
also I have mame 029b for asteroids and all nessesarry DKONG files then there are some other versions of mame for galaga it seems you need a differnt version of mame for every game. I did however use a mame file speed cheat file on my original arcade pacman motherboard and it LOADED AND WORKED!!!!! I was so happy.
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I have one, and the screen is quite colorful.
I think it's supposed to be that way. However, I don't remember having a problem reading the numbers.
That's exactly what mine looks like but the numbers, paddle and ball are really faint.
Edit: There is static too
youre rf cable is shorted in the inside of the pong use a small wire snippers to chomp the weird screws out then just use a rca cable to TEST the rf connection if it works then you solved youre own problem witch i can almost guess thats the problem or mabie you should turn the color on youre tv down not to roast the color over its intended brightness also turn the contrast down a little donot over roast the controls on a old tv but we like it roasted anyway the pongs w the 4 game selector had a color burst crystal to make the rainbow color pattern to make it color so it should be in color if its to mutch just turn the color on youre tv down a little if there is interferance then youre rf cable is bad! ... I had this problem and took it and made a coin op game out of the board using a orange monitor a coin switch normally closed! and a couple of paddles i wanted from surplus store since i was 5 but didnt know what to do with them I used two rf cables cause they are long.. I also have a nother not butchared pong super pong unit witch works on the tv I just dont have the power pack Thats why I use the homerew arcade like one its just a pong in a square cube closet box suqare wooden box and a coin slot and a 5v power supply from old compaq and a 12v orange 13 inch screen its kind of cool but i call it functional furniture so if there is static then for shure youre rf connection inside is bad probably were it goes into the hole it probably has a short or no ground you could try grounding it to the (-) on the battery terminal to the rf box and see if its just missing its gnd w out having to take it apart in otherwords mabie the stinger on the cable is there or missing at least that way you would know weather there is a short or an open I know if you take it apart you can replace w rca cable but one end is shorted on the inside of the atari this is why I sometimes just snip this end and solder to the connections or I steal one from a broke atari GOOD LUCK I KNOW YOU WILL FIX IT . also the start button UNHOOKES to start game and starts when you rehook the start button to jumper also inside there is a speed or angle jumper witch is unused and can if you hook a nother pot 1meg ohm pot to it paddle it adjusts the speed of the angle ball comes off paddles! witch adds more exitement to game.
also if you dont have exactly 5v to game it moves up and down and so do the paddles on the screen you need DC constant voltage thats why I used a computer power supply cause the power pack had to mutch ripple and was pissing me off cause the paddle was movining all around the screen..
you should have no problem using a small snippers wire cutter to get the screws loose you may damage the snippers but those are cheap $7 or less get one from hardware store just dont use the ones youre dad says is only for plastic... anyway I was glad i took the 1st one apart If you see a gold plated chip w gold over the erease eeprom window its worth like $400 on ebay cause its rare... :
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Sorry about the long rant I was up all night that night and didnt filter my thoughts BOY I CAN RANT
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It was probably some verson of the Power Joy. Here's a link to a page here on Atari Age discussed long ago that might help you out. They are kind of a neat product (they have about 50-100 NES games on them), although they are pirated and made on the cheap. Good if you can find them for a few bucks but nothing more than $10.
Thanks for the info. After surfing the link and doing some searching I found it to be the controllers for a Power Joy Voyager http://www.nesplayer...es/powerjoy.htm
buy it its a power joy ther are illegal on ebay cause there a nes on chip i posted pictures here but i would get it if i was you i have one but no cart if you get the cart its RARE i had one w 79million games on it till i remved a jumper and got it to the 19 games it repeted.. also it has some cool built in games most are revamped on mine so its not so super bootleg but its cool anyway its not illegal but Nintendo seems to think differently if you try to sell one at a MALL I remember seeing those and wondered how long it would be it took them about 7 years but they caught him Im glad i wasnt involved but wish i would have bought some so i could resell the carts on ebay as they are super rare now. but if you have see one still get it you will be glad also they use famicom jap NES 8bit carts ...
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Hey everybody. I just got an ultra pong doubles in the mail today, and I'm having two issues. One of which doesn't really bother me but the other... well read on
First problem, the power switch is really finnicky. I can get it to turn on with out TOO much trouble so i don't really care to fix it.
Second problem, and this is where i'd like your help.
when i plug a paddle into the right side A jack. it doesn't "click" in like the rest of them do. Also, when it's on, the right A paddle doesn't display. I tried hooking up all four and it won't change to four player unless i wiggle around the right A paddle. and when it goes to four player, the right A paddle still doesn't display. It does this no matter which of the four paddles is plugged in. Is there a way to fix this?
Also, what type of power supply should i use?
I have a variable voltage universal supply that i use with my super pong, and i saw that they both use the same batteries, would that work?
Thanks for any help you can offer.
Adam
You need a new socket just goto radio shack and get a replacement socket
also check out this
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I dont have a stelladaptor but did use a $14 joystick w analog looks like a ps1 joystick and you can assign analouge to paddle and it seems to work now all i have to do is remove the pot from the usb stick and solder wires to a paddle and mabie i could get it to work that would be cool also WHEN I USE A USB STICK W winxp and stellax it works great exept for paddle games witch i have used mouse also using the twin joystick usb joystick from microcenter i was able to get it to work yes it centers but thats becase the joystick has a detent to center the ananlog control but that dont prevent me from just soldering the top and the top from each pot to the ends of the atari pot and gnding the middle and seing if i can use a atari paddle
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A neat *new* idea would to have a PCI embeddable plug'n'play game for a PC. Imagine: Install this card, it has two joystick ports on the back of it, feeds into the video of the computer and you play your game of choice on the PC, right there.
They were selling Frogger USB drives a few years ago that contained an emulated Frogger for Windows. I think that's how "plug'n'play" retro games are going to be done from now on, if they're done at all. Notebooks are a lot more popular than anything with a full-size PCI slot now.
But I made a CD once with MAME, Stella and some other emulators and an auto-running, no-install Windows front end, and if you put it in a PC at boot, it would boot a minimal Linux distro with the same games. It ought to be possible to do the same thing with a USB keychain drive now. I mean, yeah, you could put one of these systems on a chip on a USB2 device with breakout dongles for the joysticks and feed the video and audio over USB2, but at that point it seems to me the emulator would be just as good for any system but the ones with funky controllers (Intellivision, for example).
I did that w a amd k6II 350Mhz and a vga to tv scan box I used 1152x864 on the vga to composite out external TVVIEW box witch was cool then i loaded from a compact flash to IDE pcb and loaded freedos and a pci soundblaster dos driver!!! took 2 week to find driver on internet and a nother 3 week to get driver to work in dos!! lame anyway it worked then i finnaly got mame dos v0.67 to load
C:\mame\mame.exe c:\mame\mspacman mspacman -skip_disclaimer -skip_gameinfo -soundcard 1 -noscanlines -double -cheat
and after a LONG long long time cause I was using wrong motherboard It finally loaded mame mspacman fullscreen w no scanlines and cheats loaded I finnaly ripped it out and put it back to space invaders I had a tv in side my sitdown space invaders cabinet in witch I could load that cpact flash to ide drive into mspacman or just load windows of a normal drive and had it hooked to internet using a network cable then I decided to rip it apart but before i did that I hooked a paddle plug play to it and it was cool I had to use rf modulator cause this tv had ch3 only and if no video or audio in and i could not find a way to get it into the tv no cga or video in I only got ch3 to work but that was ok since I got no interferance on ch3 anyway this was before the loss of analog tv signals and since we had ch2 and ch4 to worry about I was happy it did work ok ALSO I modded the single plug play paddle atari paddle to accept REAL ATARI PADDLES I ripped the fire button off then on pcb board on Atari plug play paddle there is a ntsc jumper and a two player jumper and there is a plaCE TO solder real paddles onto existing paddle and add a extra paddle for player two and even though the menu is for 1 player and lies you can actually if you change jumper from one player to 2 player (BLACK 0 ohm reistor jumper) move from 1p to 2pl then add real paddles and modify real paddles to switch direction and wire differnt but almost then same the wiper is reversed so you have to reverse side they solder to other lug on opposite side then it is same as atari games then you can play two player game simultaioinsly but remember if you use old paddles make shure they are tough and not brittle cauase i showed off the two player paddle to my brother when i got done modding it and he pushed hard on the paddle and the fire button broke and the bottom came off luckally
I had a lot of spare paddle parts around and fixed it I snipped the original 1 player built in paddle knob on the plug play box so there was a notch in the paddle wheel plastic knob so you could not move it any more cause it was unhooked anyway! then i took it apart and noticed it was only a 500K ohm paddle pot anyway witch pissed me off since Atari paddles are 1meg ohm to give full range and more senitivity 500K is only half and would run short faster than 1meg ohm witch would give more play and be easyer to use anyway, then I tried it out and it worked .. ALSO HOW COME NINTENDO DONT SUE jakks cause of the nes on chip for all atari plug play witch flashback uses for its menu selection I wonder if nintendo dont care aslong as a REAL nintendo game is not used but you would think the nes it self would be © unless it was licenced In witch either way I dont care but am curiouss weather NES nintendo knows about nes on chip in plug play devices or are they letting it slide only to crush atari flashback II version II after it comes out just to rub it in cause nintendo sucks like that anyway I hope that does NOT happen and am hoping someone at BASIC FUN would make a joystick or paddle with REAL pokey chip and all 3 Atari 2600 chips on it NO NO NO NO NO NO 7800 chips if you want a 7800 play emulation there was not many carts and the joysticks sucked all 7800 sucked and sucks I hated 7800 it was a JACK TRAMIAL crock to make atari come out w to many devices to run them into the ground ,, .. IF we are going to get a real system worth buying lets get a flashback that has a SD or compact flash slot in it that way we can pick SD menu w joystick then get a menu and pick any rom they would not be in .zip format and would have to be in .bin format but still would not beable to play PITFALL II unless they HAD Activision licence in witch it would be in the main menu as pitfall II w 2nd 800 level like the caverns of mars game is a combination of 800/2600 and has better graphics cause of the nes on chip thing then you could have flashback II ver II with memstick hole and cart mod still on pcb but you would not need cart MOD but if wanted you could do a mod but the switch would be easyer and you would need two single pole single throw one on one off or on off other on to select built in games and could still scratch a old color/bw switch off foil pattern on original 2600 pcb and use it for selecting built in and cart mode on flashback II ver 1 rev? anyway then could use mem stick to run roms or youre own homebrew w out having to make homebrew carts ruineing pacman or other original atari carts and you could instead load them off mem stick and use a old 2600 case witch has fried 2600 and you could take chips and every thing exept for 7805 or 740t 5v v regulator cap and dioeds and then scratch b/w switch foil all off then same with the ch3/ch4 or ch2 or ch3 switch depending on witch rf mod it had then you could since the flashback II has composite video out anyway you could just use ch3 switch for b/w switch and the b/w switch for built in / cart mode since its a single throw double pole switch w two in one switches in one switch even though atari only used both switches as 1 jumper to gnd to turn on color or off but if you scratch foil off completely and use jumpers in a opposite kiddy corner pattern the top of one side and the exact opposite on the other side of the switch the bottom would be gnded then the other when one is on the other is off meaning when up posistion the top left side is shorted to gnd and the right bottom side is unshorted to ground .. as whell as when its down the top left side is unhooked from ground and the bottom right side is shorted to ground then all you have to do is pick spot on flashback II and swap if wrong its like having two switches or jumpers where one is on when the other is off..
changing from A10 on built in memmory and a10 pin 6 on external cartridge .. so please NOTE power to REAL Atari cartridge is always on when power pack is hooked unless when you turn off it does not run power to flashback II like mine does althouhg the voltage regulator is always powered up when plugged in to a REAL 2600 mother board cause it was belived that All power packs would blow up w out load and they would burn a winding out if no load was hooked to transfomer but thats only for CENTER TAP transformers made for zenith tv descramblers that had that problem cause they hummed and had a resonant frequency that would with out a load on the centertap would burn them selfs out either blowing a fuse or a winding not a fire hazard but would blow transformer up if not loaded ATARI POWER PACKS DONT HAVE THAT PROBLEM!!! at least I havent had that problem but it is for this reason I think the original 2600 had power going to the dioeds and capacitor and the voltage regulator all the time when plugged in and the power switch took the regulated 5v output after the cap and the dioed and switched the 5v on and off but did not cut power going into the voltage regulator thats why my dad always SAID 1st turn the Atari OFF then do not unplug power pack transformer from the ATARI but unplug it from the wall!!!!!!!!!!! then if you want to kill left over power in atari this is not nessisary unless you plan to work on pcb unplug power pack from jack on atari then turn atari on to see 1 second of power kill off from capacitor then you can clip a ground clip on the ground plane and then work on pcb then scratch all wires foil connections going to cart slot on said 2600 witch is dead and youre going to do flashback II mod cart mod to and scratch all cart slot foil patterns off you will have to unsolder cart slot connector from pcb to scratch top side be carefull not to ruin hole threw as this holds flashback II wires to cart slot connections and scratch away from actuall hole threw but make shure all connections to cart slot go no ware exept to them selfs then you can wire a 40 pin ide cable to the atari cart slot connections on old 2600 pcb if there is extra wire pull it off ribbon cable and keep for joystick wires then scratch p1 p2 joystick connections form foil the same way you might have to unsolder these too to get to all connections you have to unhook and scratch off pcb foil to allow connection to flashback II joystick inputs I found it easyer to just leave the flashback II joystick ports soldered on the original flashback pcb on and just add wires to old 2600 pcb then scratch a/b switches for p1 p2 off original 2600 old pcb and take one side according to witch one needed to gnd apororaite side to gnd when on a or b i cant remember but you will figure this out then hook to a b p2 p1 wires gnd anywhere!! then hook ch3 ch4 switch to b/w jumper where b/w switch hooked on original flashback console case was to ch3 switch on 2600 old pcb switch a 4 switch works better for this mod since the ch3 switch is on same plane as a/b switches and is not underneeth inside case where its hard to get to .. then take youre crappyiest 2600 case and use this or if youre into looks use the best one of youre 4 switchers remember the bottom piece would not make mutch difference in this because noone looks at the bottom piece they look at the top and the wood grain but if you are into really cool looking case mods then use youre best 2600 case then run video/audio wires out back threw rf hold witch can be snipped a little bigger to allow a rca to fit threw or you can unsolder but why then secure in rf wire pinch spots if possible and tie wrap to something that wont break then make shure you STEAL the RF modulator for repair of other 2600 since the flashback II wont use or need rf modulator and has composite out already you can remove RF mod WITCH is not same as a zenith cable box rf modulator witch takes composite video and sound and makes ch3 but the ATARI RF mod took chroma lumina or luma and sound and color composite all at the same time and made ch3 out of it not the same as zenith normal rf modulator so keep the original 2600 modulator for repair of any 2600's you might pick up on eb_Y or other auction site or gsale or any cool place that still has atari then take a semi big sandwitch zip lock type bag and once all works seal leaving wires for joy port cart slot and video/power and all other to come out of bag then put flashback II into bag so it wont short out on original 2600 pcb parts and put it on parts side of 2600 behind cart slot twords you when cart hole slot is at top put flashback under this benieth console but remove the rf cage since the flashback II has composite video it doesnt need rf cage for ch2 ch3 ch4 cause its COMPOSITE not RF! then it will fit perfectly inside a old 2600 that has bad chips or someting major blown then you can reuse pcb and switches for flashback and the b/w color switch is cool cause its two switches in one and at top of one wilst bottom of other side of same switch is other switch you can select built in memmory and cartridge with the b/w switch and use the channel selector switch on 4 switch machine to change b/w color mode on flashback II I have done this and it worked great and I think its better that I used a old 2600 cause A flashback II case would have probably overheated and would not have the correct power requirements to run the cartridge memmory and probably blow its power pack up fast since its only 300ma or something whimpy like that where the 2600 original one is like 500ma a 1/2 amp and has plenty of power exact amprage needed to run 2600 cart since thats what atari used and since it was 1978 you know its enough power! I also found in a keychain asteroids version there is a test jumper spot and pal/ntsc jumper but no other jumpers although I did once take a gemstick and wire it to a keychain and had it so the keychain witch stick broke on had real joystick hooked to it and it worked great and was easyer to use too! .. anyway enough ranting im tired and have stayed up past my bed time and am tired grammer sucks and no punctioation . but hey there is really no way to mod a plug play exept the flashback II since the flashback II was designed to be hacked then other ones are just epoxy blobs over the builtinto the motherboard chip witch makes it impossible to get to the rom and they probably dont want you to get to the rom but the game key probably would allow some kind of hacking cause the game key is a rom chip cart. so you would think a rom game key would load into a flashback II as nes on chip but no cause the nes on chip menu on flashback II is to select memmory lines on a10 on built in memmory address ranges not to run game cause game is built in and its then menu but a game key pcb might be hacked to run hacked game key or mabie a atari but since youcant get into the pcb chip on the board witch is covered w black epoxy blob keeping you from getting to wires I would give up on modding flashback devices to adding battery eliminator wires to a 5v power pack and running long wires to power and video/sound otherwise there seems to be no hack avalible untill someone figures out how to remove epoxy blob and access chip to dump it it would be easyer to hack a nes on chip super joy III joystick to run a atari flashback II on a custom cart w custom operating system and have custom multi in one cart w flashback II games on it as whell as a nother one that would load youre games but it would say adventure but load a nother 4k game in same address or just make a new menu w youre games and have that menu on same multi chip like multi cdrom/music cdrom data track0 is not audio and roms are after the nes on chip game selection menu rom so in a sence the flashback II is a nes on chip that selects a emulation menu witch is its own game then once you select game it loads game into nother rom space and then runs a emulation file on nes but uses special stella like sound but its not exactly same sound as pokey chip so if they do a flashback II ver II or flashback III w sd slot they should remove the crappy nes on chip crock and make a game system that just has all three atari2600 chips minitureized including all resistors and composite mod and stereo with jumper for mono then you have a harminy like chip for built in roms then youre roms go on sd stick or cart slot witch just has wires to cart slot and ONE jumper on or off for built in or cart or sd slot is part of built in menu you select rom from built in Sd memmory or youre sd stick and led would say reading red then when done turn green to let you know its done reading sd card.. then you could load sd card into nvram and remove and turn off and roms would stay then flashback III could have cart slot too but you only select one jumper on or off to pick carts or built in memmory but would have to turn off and back on to switch between built in sd or built in rom or sd ram and then would have to power off to select cart slot and if cart slot picked it would light up yellow led then when cart in green led light then you could use cart slot and power off then on and it would switch modes to use external cart making any cart interferance you could see when playing built in games would turn off power to cart slot so it would not cause interferance to games then if you switch to cart slot mode yellow light would light and you switch switch to on then yellow led would switch from yellow to orange then when you power off and back on w external cart switch on that led would be orange for a second then turn green showing rom load not power and this way you could have sd rom in nvram and cart loaded into ram and once loaded you could remove cart and run all roms on and in ram nvram w out sd cart or cart..
I nother words it would sound like a pain in the Butt to mod a plug play device..
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Atari bought the distribution rights to some of Activision's catalog when gearing up to market the Jr. They did the same with others as well (such as Coleco).
Ant Party is just the PAL name for Commavid's Cosmic Swarm. AFAIK, there are no gameplay differences (apart from the PAL game being slightly easier, since the game doesn't make timing changes for sprites to coincide with the slower refresh rate).
wow we both answered at same time!! JINKS ..PS hi . NUKEY I GOT A cart made that works w hackem the one that starts out hackem w the yellow pacman on start screen chomping air then starts It works on REAL 2600 and the flashback COOL HUH..
also there is a cool store on hennipen called dusty pixels that has some loose Atari carts for under $5 a piece I already got a silver lable Combat and a Silver Lable MINI golf since I didnt have mini golf.
I want to thank you for youre GREAT knowledge of Atari and youre extensive knowledge of Batribasic type Atari stuff too.. I had a 32 in one cart and heard they came w 2600 jr packages and one joystick in small red package to the UK as pal system to promote Atari 2600 and ACTIVISION GAMES to INcrease sales in the uk to bring back Atari It worked but tramail screwed that up along w commodore I think trameail had stock in MS back then and knew all a long if he trashed Atari and Commodore he could cash in on MICROSOFT stock whell we both should have bought some MS stock then and sold it today .. I also heard on BLOOMBERG microsoft might take a dive as Some other company might make them obsolete I wonder who it might be lets hope its not Apple unless Apple lets us run Atari emulation.
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I live in the US, so I shouldn't care, but I do anyway, and have a few questions about the 32-in-1 multicart.
#1 - How did Activision games show up on a cart made by Atari? and
#2 - What the heck is "Ant Party"
I think atari and activision made deal to promote both Atari And Activision in the UK and other parts of world who had PAL as a jr system witch came w a 32 in one cart and a jr atari and one joystick instead of pacman!..
as far as ant party I have not played it but assume its some copy varaint of a 800 game witch you run around w raid type spray can killing ants on a picknik table on a picknic like PICKNIK paranoia game.. I dont know anout ant party untill I play it I ll have to download it and try it.
oh also if you have a older hauppauge tv tuner for youre computer and youre atari puts out USA NTSC ch3 you can put youre tv tuner on ch3 then select non usa tv region pick japan pal and put it on ch3 then it will run the pal 32 in one cart w out flipping and fit on screen cool huh.
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I like ay-3-85xx systems and have a 1024 page book with schematics for electronics and it has a section on ay-3-8500 chips in it including a gun circut so I like any games that use that chipset I also found a couple of places that still have that chip as nos anyway I think its worth $50 cause where are you going to find a nother one.. the section is called tv games .
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Which means that when you play an old school game that has timing set up to the fixed frequency of an old school monitor, it doesn't synch. You end up having skipped frames or other timing issues. It is all very technical, and I only understand it at a REAL high level. Basically like everything else with electronics... the frequencies are waves... and if the waves are cresting and falling at the exact same time, everything is good. But if one wave is TIGHTER than the other wave, eventually one wave is going to be at a peak while the other is at a valley, and whatever data is supposed to be happening right there (a memory read, a display update, gobbling a dot or slamming your hammer down on a menacing fireball) is going to either be delayed or dropped. This is why purists prefer original hardware and chase down obscure 30 year old CRTs for the guts of their cabinets. (And you thought they just liked the authentic feeling scan-lines).
There are ways to compensate for this in MAME with modern equipment, especially if you're not picky... and I'm not. I'm just stoked that I can have a VERY reasonable facsimile of my old school favorites in my home on a machine that is ALSO a reasonable facsimile of the original physical machines. The BIG one is to go into the default settings and alter the video and advance tabs. I forget exactly what tabs... but I think what I did was turned off anything that switched the default monitor resolution and selected a fixed frequency of 72... er... Mhz? Nope. Just Hertz. No kilo, mega, or giga here. I think this means they have a long "cycle"... big rolling waves. Anyhow... get that all set so that MAME doesn't try to switch resolutions or frequency, and set on Portrait mode, and you're good to go... with the limitations I mention above. At 70-ish Hertz, for example, Donkey Kong may seem like it plays a little FASTER than you remember it in the arcade. And indeed, that is exactly what is happening. A 72Hz wave has a shorter... cycle... period... period, I think that is it, than the 60ish Hz frequency of the original monitor. It is like watching a movie where the reel is playing just a LITTLE too fast... say, 40 fps instead of 30 fps. Some people can't stand that... I'm ok with it. every mode on my lcd monitor exept 1400x1050 60Hz when hiding modes it cant display looks fuzzy including 800x600 witch sucks its just i bigger verison of my compaq n610c 1400x1050 monitor it is widescreen though and i can get 1920x1080 to work but its fuzzy and not fullscreen. looks like 800x600 but who needs that when a dvd plays back it dont matter witch mode its in its a COMPUTER monitor not a TV so it will draw every pixel like a laptop not a tv ..
The really weird thing is this monitor takes hdmi witch the guy who gave me the thing said its broke and wont work....
I said really $300 monitor cool ill take it I hooked it up to the vga connector and viola it worked fine it was loose and i tightened all screws and it works great now i dont have HDMI so i cant test it Now i have just delved into mame today as far as more modes I never thought it was a big deal untill i wanted to play 20pacgal again the reunion rom and found out about some weird mode problems w lcd...
I am really starting to get mad at the fact that in 800x600 60Hz its not 60Hz it speeds up in mame32 v0.35 beta it skips frames in asteroids and speeds up like youre pushing f8 this pisses me off cause it does the same thing in atari800.exe sometimes HMM DOES IT DO THIS DURING A NORMAL GAME LIKE UT2003???? it better not or they better reinvent the lcd memmory board cause would you want the throttle on youre video card to jump around during a presentation at work or whilst youre working the speed just jumps to 200% faster than it should then back again this can only lead to cache errors why cant people just admit they DONT know how to design a lcd screen. they did it on the laptop but the laptop over heats cause the vga chip has no heat synk or fan nor does the northgate witch gets as hot or hotter than the cpu on my n610c compaq laptop witch has the same 1400x1050 mode but on the laptop 800x600 looks great when its zoomed to full not native why cant they just do that w these new monitors I think its because noone has a clue and they just think its ok but they dont look past the inital windows wallpaper to see there getting screwed on modes..
this monitor says 1680x1050 59Hz or 60Hz whell I know when in 60Hz its really in 59Hz so if i put it into 120Hz will it really show it in 59Hz but put the video card into 120Hz mode but show it using 59Hz just like my tvview external does it on the tv at 53Hz or what ever composite mode the tv uses and it does it at 120Hz computer mode but the computer monitor shuts off showing tvview had the right idea on what to emulate and how...
HMM when adding a custom mode to this monitor like 1680x1050 120Hz it adds the mode just fine but when i go into the mode the monitor sais OVER RANGE and shuts off SO if the regza tv does the same thing using the computer as an input then its full of crap and wont display at 120Hz but how am i going to test that w out using a regza tv to do it... I will have to guess it will show a 1920x1080 mode using hdmi but is it really 120hz
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Is there any drawback to using an LCD? I've always read that there can be problems getting the resolution right. I'd personally love to swap out my CRT for and LCD on my Mame setup simply for the reason you did, portrait oriention.Excepting what Paranoid was discussing above, not really. The new MAME video rendering system eliminates the need for video mode switching and eliminates almost all sizing issues associated with the selection of different video resolutions. You can set your LCD for its native resolution and not worry about it.
Even vertical games can now all scale properly to display a nice size picture on horizontal monitors. No more little square of video in the middle of the monitor, or clipped top/bottom
HMM cool but WHAT version of mame are you refering to is it mame32 cause that would be great !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! also where did you get it and could you leave a link or just upload mame32 since no roms included you can redistrubute mame32 or mame! for informational and educational purposes..
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It is worth noting, that with CERTAIN combinations of software and hardware, it is possible to damage video cards OR monitors by sending a frequency that isn't supported between the monitor and the video card. Most new hardware is probably immune to this, but, when you start playing around with forcing frequency and resolution modes, you do so at your own risk. Everything can LOOK ok while in fact you're frying something slowly to death.
You Could Damage a CRT if you make it HISS wrong using the wrong frequency (as one time I touched a adjustment on a tv that had been peed they told me you can try to fix it if you want but every one said I would not do that if I were you
the piture was small I thought i could adjust it but every thing had a crystalized pee on it so i thought i could adjust it using a philips screwdriver on a adjustment pot inside it
I said you told me the tv was crap I touched the screwdriver to the size pot and HISSS the tv blew up in a smoke cloud every one laughed then the tv started on FIRE w the cover off so i kicked the cord out of the wall Every one laughed rolling on the floor in amazement every one was laughing I said oh who cars I saved you the trouble of worrying about the tv starting on fire...
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anyway I had the same problem with my new wide screen LCD I have to use 1680X1450 or 1920x1450 to get it to look like a laptop w no fuzzy graphics fake lcd emulation mode and if i put it into native mode it goes puny so i have to use the HUGE modes AND I WAS PLAYING trying to play 20pacgal.zip you know 20 reunion rom just to see what it would look like and multi modes crashed then i futzed with mame modes using mame 32v0129 gdi no direct3d and found only a small amount of combinations work and I also found if i put the windows into 800x600 then run mame the window wont get chopped off I am almost wanting to put the old CRT back but this wide screen is so cool anyway mabie that might help... wow what a night mare i got my self into w this monitor...
most computer monitors can take most modes but some just hiss in the wrong mode thats when they can fry them selfs but since then most monitors are protected from that cause I think they fixed that problem .. I did however get the lcd stuck once but all i did was unplug it and replug it then turn it on and it reset it self.. also sometimes the auto selection fixes it.. I just wish they would just make all I MEAN ALL MODES the LCD DOES WORKED LIKE 8 bit 16 bit 32 bit 640x480 60hz 70hz 80 hz 85 hz
1024x768 43H interlaced!! 60Hz 70Hz 72 Hz 80Hz and 85Hz 120Hz but real like 60Hz 1680x1450 looks on this monitor WHY T f_ck cant they just add a mode that actually runs at the frequency they say its running and get the lcd to DO it it seems weird that they cant get a smaller mode to work I guess the dots are super small and only work t the big modes .. the thing i do like about LCD is its cool always crisp when its in a native mode.. the thing i hate is when its not like 800x600 still looks fuzzy..
I guess the REAL arcade cabinets I have W real Arcade Crt's will suffice .. or I could just use my scan converter and use the TV.
witch 1152x864 almost can be read but 640x480 works good on the tv.. BUT NOW THAT I HAVE A 22 INCH lcd wide screen computer monitor I dont have to hook to the tv anymore>>!!
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Damn it stupid pasting just see the below post witch this was subposed to be a editied post of the lower one.. sorry.
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did have a pasting error when replying to a old post witch I tried fix it I appoligize..!!
I like what Nukey did to Moon patrol I like the new version it looks really cool
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Which games have the best music?
in Atari 2600
Posted · Edited by awace
I think Atari 5200 ported to 400/800 or just on 5200 FROGGER has by far the best music befoe the advent of games using REAL wavs and mp3s in there games and before midi. atari had 4 channel sound and 4 traks going at same time for frogger i think it was 2 at same time and 2 game sounds at a time making total of 4 sounds simultinously meshing to gether at same time during game play not waiting for each sound to end before it could produce a nother note.. ALso pitfall II had great music on 2600 as whell as 800/400 the 400/800 music on pitfall II is better sounding and the game has a extra level if you get ballons and wait for them when you can jump higher wait for bats to change into ballons then get diamond guy and other guy on top then a new door opens harry jumps wildy non stop then goes into warp door grey door then next level starts so unless you have a UPS and a very good power connection or are using emulation and save state dont trip over atari power pack or youre going to have to start all over again ON THE 2600 it just ends game or does not goto next level but to beable to play a 2600 game that long is amazing to me in the 1st place..
I also like the music whell the sound effects in asteroids 1980 and 1981 they are slightly differnt in 1980 verision w out © wait screen 1981 verison has differnt thump thump sounds and shooting is slightly differnt they are not same animal as in game play as each other are play for 20 minnutes both versions of atari2600 asteroids and find out for youre self they are differnt sounding its so slight but you can tell the way the rocks blow up faster on the older version and the rocks are not on a pattern the same way..
ALSO I LIKE Preppie II and I on 800/400 I also like pathfinder I love to escape the maze in pathfinder
if you get between two angled corners and between both corners go in oppoosite wrong directions trying to '
enter the corners graphics it WILL EVENTUELLY LET YOU INSIDE THE boarders and you can escape go UP because going down goes no where exept into empty RAM but going up will let you get power and warp back inside maze I LOVE THE LEVEL UP MUSIC IN pathfinder..
also like bounty bobs music and I love BOULDER DASH ENTRO MUSIC ITS AWESOME AND WAS WAY AH HEAD OF ITS TIME for 80's music it was awaesome.. DKONG 400/800 was better than arcade dkong w super BASS line and then dont forget super cobra as a matter of fact all atari800 games had cool music.
POOYAN HAD ONE OF THE COOLEST GAME MUSIC backround music ever so addictive..
slime had good music too.. way to many to list..
the 2600 had frogger too! was not as good as 400/800 but the frogger fix worked good enough and if you pushed b difficulty you could goto threw walls!!! ..oh yes moon patrol
push up left and fire on 800 and it will start push start demo mode!.. 400 too..
if you have 48k or 32k to run mon patrol.