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Yes, it's called "frying". This can often yield crazy benefits. I was able to trick some arcade games' coin mechanisms by dropping in a slug, or foreign currency. And Random, I gotta concur with the others.. bumping the table has always been a part of pinball playing.. you don't have to do it if you don't want to, of course.. it just adds a cool skill element where you try to bump but not too much, else the classic TILT sign comes up and you lose a ball. If bumping were really discouraged, your game should flat out end, not just result in the loss of one turn. I thought that was cool that the Atari 2600 version of Atari Pinball let you guide the ball with the button and joystick to act as a bump, and if done too much the screen would go red (tilt) and the bumpers/flippers wouldn't work, and you would eventually lose a ball (you could still guide it around and avoid the hole(s), but you couldn't score any more points that turn). OMG OMG when i was a kid my freind allen would always like pinball and we would have contests to see who could get high score I was pretty good w Atari 2600 flippers but one day he kept getting the atari symbol over and over again i was like WTF how did you do that he said i cheat i said how he said just push the button fire button and move i was like oh yea cool and every time I would screw around so mutch i would always tilt then i would REALLLY screw w the nudge and figured out the bumpers hidden in each side drain then one always gave free ball cause it was the plunger tube but the other one if on right side would bounce back out I finnaly a couple of years ago figured out how to train my brain to figure the timing out to not drain I usually just tap I no longer HOLD till turn red untill it tilts but its so fun.. after tilt you can really play w drain tube bumpers witch let it if its on right side of left tube to bounce back. its like in quake 1 if you have a grapple hook witch normal game does not come with only online mods had grapple hooks there is a quad damage pentagram star witch gives health points for 10 seconds in witch w out grapple hook you would never reach. quake 1 has been replaces w quake2 online as to desensitize you to entitys once we ganged up on a online monster on quake1 we had teamfotress so we could shoot each other w no damage I didnt understand that at 1st good thing i leaned DUH get back to reality there are differnt versions to a video game you dont make a video game an alt reality anyway after a couple of games and someone said same team im just visiting other team no unfreandly fire i was like oH its a truce game but frendly fire kills anyway they left frendly fire disabled so we were all on same team then we went to entity a big ugly two headed smaller monster bigger than us but not the huge one and we all ganged up on it and finnally killed it after that i was like HMM those monsters in quake are just bots and anti cheat disabled people from using dogs as bots now a dog thats subposed to be youre bot or one that has god mode cause some dogs in some maps were like that unless you blew it up w greanade or rocket it just kept rollling over and getting back up it would yelp then roll over play dead then roll again recompost its stance and growl after that i was desence atized to playing quake by my self w out scaring my self surround sound with DOOM or will scare the hell out of you my mom came in and starteled the hell out of me after that i couldnt play doom anymore cause the surround sound would scare me this was cause it was 4am and my mom stays up late painting water color and watching tv she is a night owl like me and i didnt expect her to check to see what i was doing but she came in and said what are you doing in a interesed voice i jumped almost had a heart attack my heart was racing I said you cared the shit out of me she said why dont you goto bed I said now after you starteled me it will take me longer. after that i finnaly got surround back when i played quake1 w the right priced cd of BOSTON I wish there was still quake 1 matches online using the original maps cause if you put boston in instead of quake the cd tracks control witch map comes next thats why nine inch nails has no label they made there own records! volume in drive d has no label. OH once i was futzing w a lottery printer my boss from convience store threw away and said HEY ADAM want that old lottery printer w the scroll the paper is to expensive and they suck anyway I said yes it was either serial or parralell i cant remember but i got it to work by cutting fax paper in band saw in half to make it fit! I was futzing w shareware version of quake now you remember you just cant get to level 2 or 3 playing game on shareware by youre self!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if you were in online game you could do it anyway but had to be playing a network game I finnaly GOT it I got it free cause i actually bought the $9.99 version the shareware was that some share ware is not free only FREEWARE is FREE!!! this blew my mind i got a full verison of quake for free at least the online version witch i didnt relalize the full version was for playing those maps your self I was still desinsitizeing my self from sutpid alt reality crocks now i know the only alt reality is TV. anyway i was listing dir /v on lotto printer and got chineese or japaneese charators but along with those it printed hidden information like a directory called PHLEM I was like wtf and my freind who downloaded the whole quake 1 before they sent him the cd cause zomax hadnt even released quake1 yet it was so new the cd's werent even printed and so he got one of the 1st copies in the box I lost my box and my cd has a crack in it so it wont play I need to go on ebay and get a nother shareware cd to keep in my collection. so if you play cd 1 on music cd not shareware or regular quake I guess my new quake 1 quake 2 and quake3 cd might work cause it has the nin cause its quake but i want the original burn . when you play using a nother cd the cd who has the cd playing the maps change based on the cd I guess I figured that out by mistake or just realized when every one else kept bitching why does it keep going to that same level i said witch boston track and someone else on the internet in multi game said brb then the map changed and i was able to play listning to my cd w out having to worry about witch track it was on but the phlem dir must have been the quake shareware dir where if you gave credit card info it had a copy of pak1.pak or quake.exe i cant remember what locked it but that cd was cool it was exacly like sonic cd rom where the cd track 0 was not audio on quake but on normal cd players track 0 comes up as nothing hmm now i want to burn a music cd w track 0 as a .cda wav

I still dont know flipperless pinball rules and reg please tell me and have you seen any flipperless pinall machines that was the only one i ever saw . also just a note the new pinball machines dont just tilt on the hanging tilt anymore they give you 3 chances electronicly 1st but more in likely if you get the hanging tilt going it will short 3 times anyway but at least you get a FEEL of the nudge factor espeiclay near the drain by the electronic bumbers on either side of flippers the outer drains on either side have posts witch decide weather ball drains or goes back to flipper path whell some operators move this post to make it easyer not to drain and some make it harder to make it not drain wow that statement was like we dont need no education back to my point sometimes they move the post to make it easyer or to let you nudge it to keep it from draining this would be a slide the whole machine to the left or the right I dont do that I usually pick machine up if my back is in a good mood and slide it to TEST tilt then if it is to hard then i leave nudgeing out of game if it is a loose tilt then i will pull machine when playing from left to right this is only if i miss ball w fliper and its not a agressive move to damage machine its a normal nudge . how many are in favor of a bumber beneith the drain or some bumper that lets you bounce ball back from cirtain death I personally dont like magnasave I want three rows of buttons 1st flipper 2nd magnasave buttons 3rd buttons magnasave disable witch lights a light on score like a decimal point we all know pinball score dont have decimals anyway it would indicate during gameplay weather you have magnasave SENCE enabled this is cause I KNOW magnasave senses where ball is like traffic light hall effect sensors do whell a magnasave coil is a coil and a coil is a coil is a coil and a hall effect coil/metal detector is a coil so what if its powerfull enough to be a magnasave coil I want the ability to disable power to the coil right before i use it or right after i use it so it cant engage disenglage throw ball then reingage to see how far ball is away from where it let go somehow the damn things know exactly where the ball is or how mutch and how th throw it if you hold it down through full cycle I am amazed by this even though i know how it works i always screw up and almost let it drain the ball just to watch it sence now if you could disable power from magnasave but leave sence on wouldnt that be cool to have machine still sence ball w out magnasave i guess you would hold mag save button on then push desence button above it and hold desence then let go of magnasave and unless you let go of nudge desence button it would not resnag ball I cant wait till someone has a electronic nudge meaning you could choose normal or elctro nudge magnasave hmm lets call it elector nudge . also hall effect sence on a pinball machine could run a really cool DEMO MODE it could snag ball right to where it wanted it of course that machine would cost a fortune to build w all those demo magnasave coils. whoooly crap i need nap again but i am going to force my self to play pinball this week. Im going to make off topic fav pinball machine made between 2005 and now.

Wow....People that don't know the difference between flipperless pinball (yeah, that's what they were called, and how they were played) and flippered pinball, and the fact that they are played differently are kinda interesting. Bet your one of those who also doesn't know the difference between Football and Rugby, or Pool and Nine ball (or any number of other games that have the same roots but are different games) I hope u wernt pointing that at me i was talking about nudging pinball is part of playing. I was refering to the fact that flipperless pinball had a TILT the tilt was inventet to be nudged. you know even on a new machine there is a tolerance for tilt the hanging tilt no longer insta tilts it electronicly gives you three shorts of the tilt before actually tilting so in a sence there is MORE LEWAY in the way a pinball machine tilts I dont know why someone would bitch about a pinball machine tilting unless they were half joking like i am just to spark cool conversations about pinball witch I love I always played the ATARI Hurculese pinball at the state fair even though it was expensive I probably would have just handed TODD a $20 just to play 4 games of huge pinball and a couple of mrs pacman credits but i just paid the the normal way . I did spend $2 dollar coins on golden tee golf this was the last year that sumit amuzement ran the arcade this sucked cause the next year the arcade was almost empty and there were no more outside on the SAND pinball machines in a tent witch to me was the greatest pinball machine experince of my youth to goto the state fair and play pinball with some of the best players around plus those machines were so old but they were cool . I also am confuzed about youre question about how to play flipperless pinball I had one machine ok my dad had it it was called KENNYS CLOVER it was cool my dad got rid of it cause he thought i was going to electrocde my self whell i was merely waiting to find a place to get the cloth wire to fix it WHELL HE THREW THE WHOLE THING AWAY we kept the back glass I wanted the whole machine . to bad now i know i could have gone to a LAMP REPAIR shop to get the wire needed to rewire every single wire in it hmm I think i need PIZZA AND A solder gun a vom and some masking tape cause i think im going to fix that pinball machine in hopkins I know the place to get the jumper wire i need.. oh YES LAST NIGHT AGAIN i was up almost all night at least i got 4 hours the night before 2 hours but today is the 3rd day so ill be back to normal again had to work till 4am saturday again last week and this week it made me HYPER.

WOW YOU CANT READ CAN U '''I went to digital press and got flashback II adventure{{{ before they took it offline}}} thats because i wanted to hack it so the dragon couldnt get me I did it now its boreing and if i want to play games on flashback I just play on my laptop no wires no mess and no interferance to tv! anyway I think digital press took the roms offline lame cause even if the roms werent avalible to download i liked the comments they had .. anyway good luck.''' if you read the post you would have SEEN I SAID before they took them off line I did not leave a link. an http:// url.url would have been a link i mearly was stating something I had done .

Also i was thinking the exact same thing for my now broke super joy pad III nes joystick I couldnt get the built in 79000 in one to work and pried it off the board thinking I could resolder it to the 72 in one cart replacing the 72 in one w the 79000 in one one built into the joystick but once i ripped it out the whole joystick stopped working so i guess it was more that a cart chip but it looked exactly like the flashback II memmory chip I dont know weather the 72 in one fake famicom cart still works or not cause the super games joystick now dosnt do squat but I do still have a game station looks like a ps1 but is not its a crappy nes famicom fake machine it does still work w the 19 in one cart it came with witch worked on the super joy before i blew it up but the 72 in one cart wont work on it I bet its still good so if i ever get a famicom to nes addaptor mabie ill try it on my nintendo to see if it works . also the 19 in one cart used to be a 9,999,999 in one cart untill i found a juper and made it correctly say 19 in one instead of 9,999,999 in one SO now im on the hunt for a super joy III fake famicom to see if my 72 in one cart still works the good thing is i only spent $5 ON IT AND STILL have the 72 in one cart the 2nd player joystick and the gun and the power pack and the 72 in one cart so it wasnt a total loss .. also i have the 9 pin extention cables i got at the hamfest witch still are compatible 100% with atari paddles and joysticks... one is a 6 foot and the other one is a 9 foot for 2nd player now i can actually sit on the couch and play atari UNtill i have to get up to push the reset button .. I did however think the same exact thing as you did why not somehow hook that blob chip to the atari cart backwards I thought the exact same thing untill i read about curt vendals explanation of how the system worked and figured it would be eyser to I went to digital press and got flashback II adventure before the took it offline thats because i wanted to hack it so the dragon couldnt get me I did it now its boreing and if i want to play games on flashback I just play on my laptop no wires no mess and no interferance to tv! anyway I think digital press took the roms offline lame cause even if the roms werent avalible to download i liked the comments they had .. anyway good luck.

F6 refers to the bank switching method on the 2600 where the hotspots are at $1FF6/$1FF7/$1FF8/$1FF9 which selects what 4K ROM bank to use. Th SC refers to the Super-Chip Atari put into some of it's cartridges, which adds another 128bytes of RAM into the address space (I believe it is mapped at $1000). --Selgus is there a specail address you have to burn atari games to using a 1980's eeprom burner??? every time i try to burn one i get the same asteroids game i copyied once even though i thought i erased it it start for 4 seconds then stops or just doesnt work I was trying to keep asteroids running on a bootleg copy i burned a year ago but forgot how i did it now i wanted to put flashback II adventure on a cart I found it on a download site and hacked it now it wont burn to cart I bought online . mabie i dont know what address to burn to.. I would bet though that making a homebrew cart or multiple carts of youre flashback II games you want would solve youre problem or you could just use a super charger and a soundblaster or you could even use a mp3 player since its just audio. but that would be esyer to do than trying to reverse engineer a nes on a chip that loads a atari game from a nes menu then runs a atari emulation program to run rom it would just be easer to burn youre own flashbackk II multi cart .

damn i typed a whole lot of stuff and it got deleted cause cookes expired . anyway i used to flash atari all the time http://www.eeggs.com/tree/563.html pinball machines are subposed to be nudged our 1936 kennys clover pinball machine w nickel slot and 5 balls no flippers had a tilt and the only way you could get it to do what you wanted was to nudge it since it didnt have flippers the tilt prevented it from being jostled to mutch.. there were two tilts one hanging one witch we disabled and a nother w a ball that rolled up to hit tilt . dkong could be chomped w a straw thats what probably was jammed in that bowling alley. atari 400/800 dkong you could walk to edge of girder on 1st level and jump off and bounce back in. on rivit level all dkong versions even 2600 version and all other ones I havent tried on nintendo . but most even arcade dkong you can walk from right to left not crossing rivit and go back and steal girder.. atari800/400 pathfinder you can make pattern like this ------------------------/_____________________ -----------------------/_____________________ and where the / is go the opposite angle and break out of boarder wall and see memmory in action its cool. on some pinball machines BALLY like mr and mrs packman pinball and some eightball deluxe you could bend plunger into right flipper switch leaf switch causeing a spark witch would produce credits.. and on eight ball deluxe you coud push start button exactly to the same sound as match and sometimes 70% of the time make a match even if it wouldnt match it woud produce a credit. I think this screwed with the proccess of the match confusing the cpu.. giving false match., although you would never know because you matched! and started game witch starts game. on g 13 on missile command atari 2600 you get an rf if you dont get points to show http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Fulop programmer. on frogger 2600 you can turn on and off dificulty switches and you wont die going threw wall but if you turn it on you hear a crack between wall. here is easter egg for 20 reunion mspac galaga The "start" screen will display, allowing you to choose Ms. Pac-Man or Galaga. ... UP, UP, UP; DOWN, DOWN, DOWN; LEFT, RIGHT, LEFT, RIGHT, LEFT ... Press either 1 player or 2 player Ms. Pac-Man button to play regular Pac-Man also if you watch galaga demo on any galaga and shoot down tracktor beam bee you can shoot all bees down..

Wow. That's by far the highest-profile I've heard yet for these things. I was surprised just to see them being sold by the sheister vendors at major shopping malls. Now they're at Walgreens? What's next, Sears? Yeah, it was a limited thing. The fuckers wanted 29 bucks for it and they claimed that it played all NES carts or as they said: "Dust off your old carts and play" It wasn't a controller per se, it looked like a Genesis 3 but had 1000 built in Nintendo games(of course with a modded title screen) Last weekend i went to the HAMVENTION in ohio and saw a joystick box that looked exactly like that and it was but i got a DEAL I said how mutch is that and the guy said make offer so i said $5 and he bit I got the whole box witch i threw away to save room for luggage it has the power pack the cart the 2nd controler and a GUN too also the cart i got was a lucky find unlike the other crappy ps1 looking fake famicom this witch had a 9,999,999 in one cart that when i removed jumper found it really only had 19 games w a lot of them repeted at least w jumper removed it only shows the ones it actually has!! but the new green joystick i just got this weekend had a 72 in one cart this one actually has 72 games!!!!! the super mario game is not even close to mario supermario it says frogger but is a frog walking like super mario and you shoot chineese music symbols at other enymys and it has galaxian galaga real games and lots of other ones it has some stupid track and feild start points but not to many it is actully fun to play sometimes the cartridge gets loose and it locks up but i still like the 72 in one cart ALso I didnt try the other controlers from the crappy 1st bootleg system i got but will do that later now i need a 72 to 60 connector conveter also the joystick broke off the joystick in baggage from trip but that joystick sucked anyways . I still think for only $5 i got a deal espically on the 72 in one cart so if yo usee a 72 in one cart remember 79,000 in one is not tha same as 72 in one.

It doesn't get much cheaper than that. I would just get one of these I already have one!!! they say they only go 1024x768 but thats a LIE they actually go 2048x1536 any hz on the TV they send the tv a 53Hz signal but work in dos windows and any mode sometimes it takes a couple of seconds for it to adjust to mode but it works I always use the usb to power it! now you probably couldnt read more than 800x600 or 1152x864 on youre tv anyway and of course 640x480 works great I paid like $79 for mine wanting to make a mame cabinet out of a arcade space invaders cabinet but then deciding to rip the color tv out and put the space invaders cocktail cabinet back to gether and restore it to original now i still have the scanbox for somereason the external ones work better than the internal ones! SO I SUGGEST not getting the internal ones but this exact one! I use it to play unreal tournament(torment) on my tv I put windows in 1152x864 and it works great you donot need any software for this one and the price was decent here is a amazon link http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00...p;condition=new so instead of settling for a crappy 640x480 or 1024x768 one that takes a irq or trying to make one just get one of these they also can hook to the keyboard input but i strongly suggest using the usb one I already stepped on mine and broke the keybaord connector once on a motherboard but the usb one just flys out and doesnt cause damage.. for the price they are defeinantly worth it only once and a while you will see a kind of split in the screen no more than 1 half a centimeter go up across screen this i think is the box catching up w video it only does it once and a while when playing unreal tournament it never locks up though and its a rare occasion also one thing i like to do w it is use it for TV viewing I can push the zoom button on the tvview and then put a tv tuner window in the right corner of windows and zoom the letterbox out of the way! then zoom the tv box and postistion the zoom window so the letterbox is in the overscan area so you cant even see it! this makes the tv look normal size also you can do this with power dvd and make a dvd not keep aspect ratio then make window bigger than tvview window making letterbox look full screen this is where the chop line appeirs it dosent actually lose any information it just skews it to the left 1/8 inch then it goes up the screen and it catches up its still rare and i never notice it in full screen I have had mine for more than 4 years and love it its starting to show signs of ware the cords are not grey but turning brown and are not see threw anymore and one orange wire came off inside the vga connector but seems to be nothing important since it still works.. the only other noticable thing you might not like is when you connect youre computer monitor to it the computer monitor goes a little fuzzy and dimmer but when you remove device it goes back to normal. also if you do get one remember to note the HZ mode youre computer monitor is in cause mine cant do some of the modes like 640x480 200HZ my computer monitor shuts off but the tv stays on!!! this is because the HZ in the tvview device is always at the 53Hz composite output level and never goes to 200Hz the video card does but this just converts it to composite ALSO IT does have svideo out too!!! SO IF I WAS you i would just pick up one of these devices you will be so mutch happy... I have had years of enjoyment with mine and still like it... I hope this helps .. ps just to let you know it does any mode from dos modes all the way to 2048x1536 I havent found a mode it wont do so i would think it would do that mode youre laptop does probably in more Hz than it can even do mabie even bigger modes!!!. as my laptop is in 1400x1050 32bit and it does that mode just fine i never tried the mode you use but I bet it would do that mode i see no reason it wouldnt do it.

Yes, the Sears Tele-games model which was OEM'd by Atari. That's a color console. Maybe you just happened to play it on a b&w tv. whell i thought that original pong not super pong sears or not i thought that super pong had the 4 game selector switch and original Atari pong and super pong has a color bursting crystal it dOES NOT DO COLOR JUST MAKES IT RAINBOW COLORED!!! NOT A BIG DEAL . thats why i used the orange monitor look here http://www.atariage.com/forums/index.php?s...659&hl=pong I still think its cool were still talking about pong in witch we shouuld be talking about pong256k

Yes, the Sears Tele-games model which was OEM'd by Atari. That's a color console. Maybe you just happened to play it on a b&w tv. whell i thought that original pong not super pong sears or not i thought that super pong had the 4 game selector switch and original Atari pong and super pong has a color bursting crystal it dOES NOT DO COLOR JUST MAKES IT RAINBOW COLORED!!! NOT A BIG DEAL . thats why i used the orange monitor look here http://www.atariage.com/forums/index.php?s...659&hl=pong I still think its cool were still talking about pong in witch we shouuld be talking about pong256k

And it seems like they never give you every pacman variant/decedent on one stick why didnt Namco make ''Pac & Pal / Pacman & Chomp Chomp'' instead of just Pac & Pal.. and why did they speed up the Rally x game and didnt just put both 1 and 2 in it they dont need a licence to steal Midway's versions of there games since they own the code anyway!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ..

Yeah, whats the deal? Namco acts as if it only released 10 or so games with the way they produce plug-n-plays. Maybe if they made a joystick with games other than the ones they've already released atleast 3 times already they would get some new sales. I wish i would have used that avatar!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for the compliment, and the bump to this thread. Twins really need to get playing some better ball... but thats a whole other forum. So it looks like there isn't gonna be a new Namco 6 Plug-N-Play this year then? I thought the game-key they had to unlock other games on your joypad was a solid idea, but they stopped that project years ago with sadly no game-keys released for the most part. Wonder if going that venture would have proven to be too expensive for them or what the deal was? Did you see the other day when cuddyer almost hit the SUBWAY sign banner!!!!

oooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhh COOL that fire button looks and is exactly same size as arcade and its setup like Atari joy so its easy to use that looks cool w the ghosts too!!!! ... you got a keeper there.

I still dont know weather original Atari pong was b/w or had a color crystal .

onto the hamvention to look for VINTAGE PONG UNITS any varient and 73 magazine 1976 june. and any Atari ® porduct no matter what even if its a ET cart I need shells... im hoping to find a USB eeprom burner so i can check checksums and see what i sent plus mabie i could convert miss packman + big roms to the normal size ms pacman. not to be confused with the MR. and MRS packman pinball game where theywere actually married by that point .. and the JR pacman vidiot board for the pinball/video game.. I see why its labled the vidiot board so you could not confuse it with the pinball control mother board.. yeah.. I didnt think atari used AMI c-mos chip company for there pong games.. but I know GI is canadian so thats why there proably lots of pal/525 versions of pong.. the good thing is I had one of those magnavox pong units before i gave it back to GW as donation to boring didnt know i could add gun unit at time but it didnt roll like asteroids deluxe flashback II verison..

Im glad you left the ; comments in the code otherwise i might get lost reading post... thanks.

Here is a picture of the inside of the Atari SUPER PONG the two pins not connected by the speaker are actually labled SPEED I think this is the english pot connector!!! also i have uploaded a picture of the schmatics from the BIG book i have these pictures of the schmatics are REally hard to take!!! ok now im happy i took a picture of the pdf in 800x600 @ 140Hz !!!!!!!!!!! i didnt think my sgi $179 computer monitor even went 140Hz but it does and it makes a big differnce in taking pictures. the /|\ pong super pong has a ami chip not the infamus $$$ gold one arrg anyway im still happy i found the speed jumpers now i can add a pot to my other cabinet a $19 box stackable w out door i made into a pong game using a orange composite zenith monitor .. it might be confusing but the 8500 vs the 8500-1 means more scanlines. check this too http://www.atariage.com/forums/index.php?s...659&hl=pong thats my 1st attempt at a arcade game no coin door so i have to unscrew the plexiglass to get to coins witch fall into a cereal box the mini ones you can cut open and eat out of .. now i need to add that speed potentiometer POT paddle for english and a free play button cause after you put 25¢ in youre broke ..anyway check out the pics and if anyone wants me to make a light gun repost a reply.. how could i forget the picture of the master clock circut somone would be mad if they were missing a schmatic nessary to run game . also you could take a RF mod from a zenith box purple is video yellow is sound orange 12v+ and black gnd common... remember game might not take 12v so use a car lighter selectormaic power adaptor just remove circut board select voltage needed and solder to 12v input on car adaptor then hook rf mod to 12v in on car adaptor this way you can run rf mod on 12v and use a 12v power adaptor to run kit.. sounds like the gun circut would be fun to make ...

keep pestering wall mart untill they finnaly ship remaning inventory from other stores who couldnt sell them at $14 to youre store keep bitching every day till they clear out clearance end cap of crap they cant sell.. probably stinky candles and lame leapster carts clearance section good luck or youcould get them on ebay..

Yeah, whats the deal? Namco acts as if it only released 10 or so games with the way they produce plug-n-plays. Maybe if they made a joystick with games other than the ones they've already released atleast 3 times already they would get some new sales. I wish i would have used that avatar!!!!!!!!!!

cool thank you. I think i might have found a source for ay 3-8500 chips now i want one even more now I know what im going to look for at the hamvention im going to email mendalsons and ask them if they have any gi 8500 chips!

The Coleco Telstar is not something "different entirely". It simply used the widely used GY-8500 chip. Atari's and Magnavox's home pong units also evolved to have more than one game. Likewise, they're all called "Pong units" for a reason. hmm that made me run to my room and grab my $44.50¢ Modern Electronic circuts reference manual its a book that probably now costs $99 or more ISBN#-07-040446-1 ITS A COOL BOOK I SOMEHOW CONVINCED MY DAD TO LET ME KEEP. its cool it has over 1200 pages of cool circut schmatics and I always rememberd the VIDEO game section in the games section the 1st circut in the game section is a add on to the GI's general instruments AY-3-8500-1 tv GAME CIRCUT!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS THE schmatic to make a gun interface!!! for shooting games.. these used a photocell transistor I guess the case was gnd so like when the street lights think its dark cause they SEE dark and the resistance changes the photo cell also can be used to set the tint hue on the big screen anyway I was like HMM that chipset looks almost the same i wonder if general instraments made the chips for Magnavox as whell as selling the ay chip for educational kits!! anyway I remember ripping a lot of pong like units apart i got from good will and they almost alyways were based on the same chips I know that the original atari pong was b/w and didnt have a selector switch to select games. I bet you could even add a gun circut to a magnavox unit if you added the selection to the chip' on page 435 is the gun circut on p 437 is a nother schmatic using a GI 8500-1 chip they say nothing about ay or even gy just 8500 on this circut its a 28 pin chip pin 25 =reset 23 shorted to gnd=practice 22=squash 21=soccer and 20=PONG pin 7 to ground =slow and open =fast pin 8 to gnd =auto serve and open =manual serve pin 5 open =rebound and gnded must be auto serve so i think you unhook to serve then leave shorted mostly I would have to auctually build circut to see. brb going to digikey to see if they have any 8500 chips!!!!!!!! nope but holly crap look http://www.ic2ic.com/search.jsp?sSearchWor...00&prefix=A they actually still exist as a part number for SALE!!!! cool huh. also on page 438 there are more shcmatics there is a ch2 ch3 rf mod schmatic looks like ralf bears own schamtic he probably inventet the rf modulator the schamtic on page 438 actually states to use a AY-3-8500-1 chip again GI's chip this one has 6 games damn I should buy stock in GI they made pacman chips pong chips aparently all varients!!!!!! and they made general instraments jerrold cable box descrambler chips and the infamus sattalite video chypher descrambler chips too wow there the company to invest in ... also on page 439 there is a national semiconductor pong hockey squash chip too its mm57100n and mm53104n LM1889N modulator and a SL00216 15v regulator also it has a vegistal sideband filter??? on p 440 is a explanation of the lm1889N national's video mod chip. a nother chip pn page 441 shows a national 5841 ic ofr display of score on video game and for channel and time display hmm this chip might be worth futzing with I would need a zenith chomp cable box cause it wants horizontal and vartical inputs on pin 19 and 18 from ''cmos cookbook'' the pong on page 437 8500 the 8500-1 no ay just plain 8500-1 is from again c-mos cookbook p166 Howard W Sams Indianpolis IN 1977 the rifile circut on p 435 is taken from S. Circia, Hey Look What My Daddy Built!,73 Magazine Oct 1976 P104-108 boy i want that magazine! 73 magazine is a cool ham radio magazine.. now on the 15 when i goto the Hamvention ill look for oct 1976 73 magazine!! the gun interface is for the ay-3-8500 chip.. wow wow wow all this talk about chipsets got me exited! I ran to my arcade board shelf and looked at birdie king II board same as Bking 1 and 2 and 3 and viola guess what the sound chips are GI they say SOUND AY-3-8910 thats defanantly a GI chip but these say TAIWAN on them .. also i didnt know sharp made z80 i mean Z80a chips no im going to rip apart the pong to see 1st if its gold plated white nuke proof cermaic and to see the Atari # on the chip or if its a GI chip I think its a atari chip but when im in there im looking for a english ''angle pin!!!''' this goes to a pot to gnd and puts english on the ball I had this but when i wired the 2nd super pong inside the cabinet i forgot about that I also need to wire a 25¢ circumvent button. as i have no coin door and have to open it every time i want to empty it.. anyway I am glad you told me about the chip number so if you want a picture of the schmatic for the gun circut i can send you a digital picture of that page from the book as whell as the schmatic for youre video game!!! oh shit before i forget pin 13 shorted makes the bat size bigger open makes it small I dont know if youre game has these features but you are welcome to add wires switches and pots to youre game to make it more fun plus if it dont have a practice mode add jumper to pin 23 to gnd and practice mode on i bet it just makes a paddle the size of a whall length !!! blocking all ball servs back to you the gun circut hooks to pins 23 and pin 24 I have no idea how to initate gun game but since pin 23 inintates practice i assume you can obtain points by the guns pulse output anyway i want to make whole thing now since i have zenith cable box rf mods w sound inputs i wouldnt need the amplified speaker just input to yellow wire and video to purple and 12v on orange and gnd and viola rf mod free suposing you get zenith box free the last one i got was only $4 at good will a good price for a zenith cable box for parts rf mods run like $19 new and these zenith ones are great they usually have a rf gain pot so if you wanted you could invert signal .... i will repost once i look at pong if i can get those weird screws open!. again thanks for sharing the chip numbers that made me happy to actually see a working unit based off a circut i thought was only for kits .... I didnt know Magnavox must have made deal w GI Mabie i could use my fake famicom's 8bit nintendo GUN to use for a project gun case for that gun circut. ****************************************************************************** **************COOL check this out**************** remember to patch adobe 1st DOnt get a virus from adobe security hole************ any way look http://www.datasheetarchive.com/search.php?q=AY-3-8500-1 http://www.datasheetarchive.com/pdf-datash.../Book241-62.pdf Looking at the pdf pins 18 and 19 pin 18 rifle game1 pin 19 rifle game 2 hmm Ill have to send you pics for the rifle game schmatic.. if you want me to make you a rifle circut I can . this schmatic says Tennis Further more acording to this pdf the General Instrument AY-3-8500 A-Y-3-8500-1 so the ay-3-8500 is the 8500 one1!! the 8500 one has 625 lines and the -1 one has 525 lines thats why the magnavox has the 8500 w out the -1 cause its pal and pal has more lines.. here is a schmatic I will post picture of gun circut so you can add switch to pin 18 and 19 to gnd so a 3 way switch needed postistion 1 gun mode off postistion pin 18 short gun game 1 switch pos 3 pin 19 short gun game2 I am really glad i looked up info now..

The super pong i have has a 4 way switch it lets you choose long bars w holes where the paddle goes so its a inverted paddle you let ball not go threw hole like squash then the other ones make two paddles or normal pong I want to install a english asjustment pot but two players would fight over it!!!!!!! it puts english on the ball I also need a cheat button for the 25¢ slot cause i put it in a cabinet and replaced th e Target CUBE furnitaure box w plexiglass and a orange BALL zenith monitor then put quarter slot in back I have pics here elsewhere.. so i think super pong has the 4 way selector switch for 4 more games the original pong could do that but you would have to wire the switch and probably need a super pong to see how they wired the switch ! further more you would need a double pole quadriple throw slide switch.. its easyer to find a super pong off ebay than to try to retrofit one!! anyways i think thats the only differnce also I think the original pong might not have a color burst crystal?? i never tried one does anyone know weather non super pong has a color burst crystal does it come out in rainbow on tv ???? let me know if anyone has a old pong not super pong..

What he meant was that you can use an unconditional branch instead of a JMP when the status register is known. After an ORA involving a non-zero value, the Z flag would be clear...so you can BNE. In that source, you changed it to load a zero directly...but an unconditional branch can still be used there. Instead of BNE, use it's opposite BEQ. You just loaded a zero, so the flag is set. is that like a gosub return from a gosub subroutine/ bank switch of a gosub return reoutine??? cool this was to a youre on youre way to a multi cart essentaly you could just make the same game's varied levels you select with the select switch button as varied so mutch that game 2 is like pacman and game 1 is like pong this way you could write youre own multi cart now that would be cool.